It is silly to suggest that there was a highly ordered being that exists based on nothing. That this highly complex being has always existed and has no creation of itself.
You are introducing religious dogma into the discussion without an invitation.
Brianjakub said he was speaking from the standpoint of just logic, not religious faith.
Logic nor all theists hold with the uncaused cause dogma concerning the creation of life and the universe.
But I am addressing this statement:
Matter is order and every time I see order being created today intelligence created it.
It is suggesting that matter itself has been created by some kind of "intelligence". In other words a god.
It does not matter if it is or is not religious dogma. I have seen you attempt this kind of argument over and over again. Attempting to dance around the issue.
"Oh believers don't believe that so you are wrong."
Here is the thing. The things I address, are things I have heard from believers. So I am addressing them. If believers don't believe the aspects that I address then why are they making those statements?
I think it really comes down to is, YOU don't believe that, but other believers do. Since YOU don't believe it, you assume no other believers believe it.
So you object to my statements and want to call them straw men but it ONLY pertains to you.
Now, science has a hypothesis, it is not set in stone. However; the believer believes god created the universe. That IS set in stone. It is what they believe, they don't hold out for any other possibility. That is the difference between a believer and science.
Science is fine with being wrong, but it requires that new information hold up to scrutiny. Something believers never fairly consider. They JUST DEMAND that people accept their nonsense.
What people call highly ordered, are not from my point of view highly ordered.
A planet is just a clump of material, I would not call that ordered. Gravity has squashed the clump into a round shape.
You can say life is highly ordered, but I don't see it this way either. We are made up with dozens of biomes , of bacteria. Without these bacteria we would not be alive. I just see life like a clump that makes up the planet. A hodgepodge of cells all working in tandem. You don't even have control over 99% of these cells. They work without your input at all. You don't need to tell them what to do to maintain your body. They work almost completely independent to what you want. Sure it is you who decides to supply them with food, but ultimately it is them who do all the work. You don't tell your stomach how to digest food.
The point I am making? I don't even see life as highly complex nor ordered.