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In Ads, AARP Criticizes Plan on Privatizing

 
 
au1929
 
Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 11:17 am
In Ads, AARP Criticizes Plan on Privatizing

By ROBERT PEAR

Published: December 30, 2004

ASHINGTON, Dec. 29 - AARP, the influential lobby for older Americans, signaled Wednesday for the first time how fervently it would fight President Bush's proposal for private Social Security accounts, saying it would begin a $5 million two-week advertising campaign timed to coincide with the start of the new Congress.
The organization, which played a huge role in the passage of Medicare drug legislation last year, said it was prepared to spend much more in the next two years to block the creation of private accounts financed with payroll tax revenues.

"This is our signature issue," said Christine M. Donohoo, chief communications officer for AARP, which represents 36 million Americans 50 and older. "We will do what it takes."

The full-page advertisements, to appear next week in more than 50 newspapers around the country, say the accounts would cause "Social Insecurity."

"There are places in your retirement planning for risk," the advertisements say, "but Social Security isn't one of them."

One advertisement shows a couple in their 40's looking at the reader. "If we feel like gambling, we'll play the slots," the message says.

Another advertisement shows traders in the pit of a commodities exchange. "Winners and losers are stock market terms," it says. "Do you really want them to become retirement terms?"

AARP's confrontational stance on Social Security contrasts with its strategy on Medicare legislation in 2002 and 2003.

Senior officials of the group continually talked to the White House and to Republicans in Congress about proposals to add drug coverage to Medicare. But to date, AARP leaders said, they have had few conversations with the White House about Mr. Bush's plans for Social Security.

Lawmakers of both parties said the Medicare bill might not have passed without a last-minute endorsement by AARP, which describes itself as a nonpartisan organization. The endorsement outraged some members of the group and some Democrats in Congress. But now, it appears, AARP will be working with Democrats against Republican proposals for private accounts.

AARP strongly supports new incentives for people to save for retirement, but says such savings should supplement the existing system.

Marie F. Smith, the group's president, and William D. Novelli, its chief executive, set forth the organization's position this month in letters to members and to lawmakers.

Private accounts would worsen the problems of Social Security, they said, adding: "Taking some of the money that workers pay into the system and diverting it into newly created private accounts would weaken Social Security and put benefits for future generations at risk. AARP is opposed to private accounts that take money out of Social Security."

Under President Bush's proposal, workers could divert some payroll taxes to personal accounts that could be invested in stocks and bonds.

At a news conference last week, Mr. Bush defended his proposal as a way to encourage "an ownership society," increase savings and provide "capital for entrepreneurial growth." By investing in private accounts, he said, workers could earn a higher rate of return than they get from the Social Security trust fund, and they could pass on the accumulated assets to their heirs.

Ms. Donohoo said AARP's advertisements were intended to "mobilize seniors" and to educate younger people about the program, which pays monthly benefits to more than 47 million Americans.

The advertisements will generally run three times in each newspaper from Jan. 4, when Congress convenes, to Jan. 20, when Mr. Bush is to be inaugurated for a second term.

Some advocates of private accounts, like the libertarian Cato Institute, are also gearing up. But Jamie W. Dettmer, a Cato spokesman, said: "We do not have plans to do advertising or lobbying. Our experts will write op-ed articles, appear on television and radio and testify before Congress if they're invited."

At a White House economic conference this month, Mr. Bush previewed his message to Congress on Social Security. "The crisis is now," he said. "You may not feel it, your constituents may not be overwhelming you with letters demanding a fix now, but the crisis is now."

On the other hand, Ms. Donohoo of AARP said that "rather modest changes" could ensure the solvency of the program for several generations. "It's not a crisis," she said.


That should, I would imagine, give pause to members of congress before they vote on Bush's hair brained scheme. Privatizing social security Imo is certainly that. What is your opinion on the issue?
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 11:55 am
Good. That helps make up for their support for the Bush Medicare Drug Bill.

Ain't now way SSI privatization will pass. Nor should it.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 12:51 pm
D'artagnan wrote:
Good. That helps make up for their support for the Bush Medicare Drug Bill.

Ain't now way SSI privatization will pass. Nor should it.


I hope it passes, I want a chance to have more then a $1,000 a month then mmy grandmother gets now. It is my money, I should be allowed to do with it how I please with no interference for some old people's group.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 01:28 pm
If the "liberal" slogan is "TAX THE RICH!" then the AARP slogan is "TAX THE YOUNG!"

I'm guessing there will be a sharp divide on this issue along generational lines.

Which means the young will be screwed again.
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Idaho
 
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Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 01:30 pm
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On the other hand, Ms. Donohoo of AARP said that "rather modest changes" could ensure the solvency of the program for several generations. "It's not a crisis," she said.


Sure, for her it's not a crisis. Current AARP members are fine - it's those of us who are younger that are screwed. It's not as if this plan is complete privatization - it's 2% privitization, so all those babyboomers who failed to save can still get their social security from the rest of us.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 01:34 pm
This is why the older generations are so afraid of "slacker" generations.... If the young don't work then who will pay for the Social Security pyramid scheme?
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 03:35 pm
DrewDad
How can you be so wrong. The current recipients even if privetizing were to be adopted would in no way be effected. We will continue to get our checks. The people in jeopardy are those who are not now on or near retirement. First because they would be stuck with paying off the government indebtedness incurred in making the conversion as well as hope that their investments don't tank. Betting on the stock market is not much different from betting on a horse race. You win some and lose some. Your contention that it is the old against the young makes it apparent that you do not understand what Bush is trying to do "to you"
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 03:44 pm
I'm quite aware of what Bush is proposing... it is actually one of the proposals I like. Nevertheless, I don't expect to see a dime of Social Security.

My point is that the AARP is opposing the change; a change that will only affect the people still contributing to Social Security. Most of these people don't belong to AARP. What is AARP afraid of, then?

AARP knows this is the start of a slow slide to being personally responsible for retirement again. The Social Security trust is flat broke; if younger workers stop contributing then eventually there will be nothing to pay to current recipients.
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 03:47 pm
D'artagnan wrote:
Good. That helps make up for their support for the Bush Medicare Drug Bill.

Ain't now way SSI privatization will pass. Nor should it.


speaking of the medical bill. There are Governors (republican ones too) against that as well. Saw that some time last week.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/26/national/26medicaid.html?hp&ex=1104123600&en=f58d68b3bdf32a1b&ei=5094&partner=homepage

December 26, 2004
Governors Unite in Fight Against Medicaid Cuts
By PAM BELLUCK


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BOSTON, Dec. 25 - Fearful that President Bush plans to shift more Medicaid costs to the states, the nation's governors are mounting a bipartisan lobbying effort to stave off new federal limits on the program.

I am glad that republicans as well as democrats are starting to unite in some of these ideas that seemed to have got swept under the rug during the campaign.
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 04:07 pm
DrewDad
Could it possibly be that AARP as well as a good many economists understand the consequences of such a rash policy. They understand history and can see further than the tip of their noses. As far as paying into the system that will continue whether it is revised or not.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 04:17 pm
Possible, yes.

I happen to think that AARP is more concerned with the bottom line of what is paid out to seniors than anything else.

I do not see Social Security remaining viable w/o changing the way it is managed.

Right now it's a pyramid scheme, IMO.

If Idaho's numbers are right - only 2% gets paid into accounts one can personally manage - then what is the AARP so concerned about?
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 04:51 pm
DrewDad wrote
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I happen to think that AARP is more concerned with the bottom line of what is paid out to seniors than anything else.


That makes no sense. What bottom line.
The AARP's only concern is to act to protect seniors. Both today's and tomorrows. In regards to this proposal tomorrows.
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squinney
 
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Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 04:53 pm
The 2% will not be Personally Managed.

It will still be collected by the government and invested for you. You may have some small say in where it gets invested, as in picking from a pre-approved list, but it isn't as if you will get to keep and invest the 2% yourself.
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Idaho
 
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Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 04:55 pm
Okay, first of all, as currently proposed, the private part is purely volutary. Second, AARP is concerned because currently a little over 3 people pay for one retiree's social security. If everyone elects to take 2%, AARP is concerned that their checks will have to be diminished, or that's what they SAY they are concerned about. Really, they are worried about losing political clout and therefore losing members, losing money. It has nothing to do with looking out for seniors and everything to do with money for AARP.

As to deficit caused by social security, the danger is greater if we leave the system the way it is. There is no such think as a SS trust fund, lock box, whatever you want to call it. There never was, in reality. This is a pay-as-you-go system that cannot sustain itself without major changes.
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 04:57 pm
DrewDad
As for SS's viability, there is no doubt that revisions and changes are needed. However, the changes must make sense and above all protect the income of future SS recipients. If you want to gamble go to the casino,but not with funds from SS.
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fishin
 
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Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 05:04 pm
au1929 wrote:
As for SS's viability, there is no doubt that revisions and changes are needed. However, the changes must make sense and above all protect the income of future SS recipients. If you want to gamble go to the casino,but not with funds from SS.


The 1st change that needs to be made is to get SS back to being a program for the poor, the disabled and those that don't have any retirement system. It was never intended to be a primary retirement plan for every single person and it should stop being used that way.
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squinney
 
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Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 05:07 pm
The White House acknowledges that allowing younger workers to invest funds in private accounts would do little to help plug the Social Security shortfall.

"It will take more to solve the problem than just personal accounts," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Wednesday. The transformation would be part of a "comprehensive solution to strengthen Social Security."


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6718105/

In other news:

Perhaps this is a hyped non-problem, and Social Security is being used as a way to divert funds to the corporations that participate in the "privatization."
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 05:14 pm
Idaho
Purely voluntary, as far as i have read that is not in the proposal.
As for the AARP losing it's clout. How so? It is no skin off their nose where the seniors funds come from. Privatized SS or standard.
Regarding the time line,SS based upon receipts and redemption of the notes held by the government and owed to SS., will be solvent for something like 40 years.

AARP was setup as a voice for the eldely and near elderly. A status we all eventually aspire to. So don't knock it.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 05:27 pm
Idaho wrote:
Really, they are worried about losing political clout and therefore losing members, losing money. It has nothing to do with looking out for seniors and everything to do with money for AARP.


As Henry Higgins said to Eliza Doolittle, "I think you've got it"! A.A.R.P. wants people to come to them for advice and guidance. Having private accounts means empowering people.
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 05:27 pm
Fishin
Quote:

The 1st change that needs to be made is to get SS back to being a program for the poor, the disabled and those that don't have any retirement system. It was never intended to be a primary retirement plan for every single person and it should stop being used that way.


Not so. True that it was passed, despite the attempts by the republicans to kill it, because most people had no fallback position or income after retirement. However, since all paid all were entitled.
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