In Washington, Call for a Second Election

How about Cheney he has proven to be a pillar of honesty and respectability and I am starting to gag.

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Good idea. Just to be fair, perhaps Katherine Harris could be part of the group.

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McGentrix wrote:

Perhaps they can get Jimmy Carter or maybe some officials from Syria to oversee the elections.

I think we should get the Serbs to oversee our elections--we owe them one . . .

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McGentrix wrote:

Well, they did win the recount. Only after the democratic whining was an additional recount made. I believe an additional recount appears neccessary. Best of 3 and all that.

Democratic whining? Why is that whining and this new request by the Republican Rossi, not?

The reason for the request for the hand recount was that normally, the machine recount will show a much greater margin of winning. Instead, Rossi's margin almost disappeared.

Anyone who lives in Washington state, as I do, knows that everything has been done according to state and county law. The second recount was automatic because the vote was so close. Nobody had to request it and everybody who pays attention knows that.

It was expected (as has happened in the past with second recounts) that the presumed winner would be overwhelmingly proved to be the winner & receive a much greater number of votes. Instead, Rossi's margin dropped.... dramatically... and that's when the determination to pay for a third (and totally legitimate and legal) hand recount. When that was done, the REpublicans complained that the Dems would only pay for hand counting in specific counties... so they paid for hand counting in all 39 counties. All of this was legitimate, legal and totally within the confines of state law.

One could ask, why aren't our voting practices better? The fact is, we expect that the people's vote will not be so evenly split. It doesn't matter whether some legitimate ballots were not counted the first time -- the so-called "sloppy practices" when there is a difference of several thousand votes.

There should be no question that we want to count all the legitimate ballots. In case you are wondering who makes the decision of what is legitimate? Each county makes that determination... and they did. Now the Republicans say they don't like it... at least not the counties where Rossi lost votes. Yet, somebody has to win eventually, and just like they tell you in Campaign Management School... all you want is 50% + 1.

McGentrix -- You are now saying you live in "The Emerald City?"

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Piffka wrote:

McGentrix -- You are now saying you live in "The Emerald City?"

I believe it does say that, yes. Why?

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Seattle is commonly known as "The Emerald City" so I was wondering if you were from WA.

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Nope. More of a "Wizard of Oz" Emerald City type place.

Actually. L. Frank Baum was born here, thus the name.

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Oh, I see. I thought maybe I'd missed something... I thought I knew who most of the Washington a2kers were.

Seattle is in "King County" so it used to be known as the Queen City... then somebody, I think a sportscaster, gave it the Emerald City nickname which has stuck.

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There should be no question that we want to count all the legitimate ballots. In case you are wondering who makes the decision of what is legitimate? Each county makes that determination... and they did.

Yep, you're correct there. Guess the political offiliation the counties that "found" ballots. Yep, you got it - Democrats. It's just interesting that their candidate lost, they magically found some more boxes of ballots for the machine recount that made the loss closer, but still a loss, then magically found more boxes for the hand recount hat gave the win to their candidate. Hmmm . . .

That said, I do think the Rep should bow out gracefully in order to let the state get about it's business. Then procecute the hell out of the corrupt/incompetent county officials to prevent this from happening again.

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Idaho wrote:

Guess the political offiliation the counties that "found" ballots. Yep, you got it - Democrats.

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Then procecute the hell out of the corrupt/incompetent county officials to prevent this from happening again.

One would assume that the Republican party had observers in all of the counties.... I guess they would be the incompetent ones in this scenario?

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DrewDad wrote:

Idaho wrote:
Guess the political offiliation the counties that "found" ballots. Yep, you got it - Democrats.

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Then procecute the hell out of the corrupt/incompetent county officials to prevent this from happening again.

One would assume that the Republican party had observers in all of the counties.... I guess they would be the incompetent ones in this scenario?

Who do you think was hiding the boxes? Sheesh...

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McGentrix wrote:

DrewDad wrote:
Idaho wrote:
Guess the political offiliation the counties that "found" ballots. Yep, you got it - Democrats.

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Then procecute the hell out of the corrupt/incompetent county officials to prevent this from happening again.

One would assume that the Republican party had observers in all of the counties.... I guess they would be the incompetent ones in this scenario?

Who do you think was hiding the boxes? Sheesh...

Natch.

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I would agree with Idaho. As long as the recounts were done according to Wash. law, nothing wrong with it. While it may seem a bit fishy that extra boxes of votes were "found", I certainly would not believe they were suddenly "created" without proof. Mistakes and errors are going to happen.

So to the repubs in Wash. I can only say to drop it and work toward the next election. Both parties there should figure out why boxes were suddenly "found" and try to fix it so it won't happen again. As I have repeatedly told those democrats who keep pushing the "Bush stole the 2000 election" mantra, let it go because the whining won't win any converts to you belief. Wash. republicans would be smart to do the same.

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Can we use this as evidence of the increasing irrelevancy of the Republican party? Just wondering....

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DrewDad wrote:

Can we use this as evidence of the increasing irrelevancy of the Republican party? Just wondering....

Is Novemeber so far away already?

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Idaho wrote:

Guess the political offiliation the counties that "found" ballots. Yep, you got it - Democrats. It's just interesting that their candidate lost, they magically found some more boxes of ballots for the machine recount that made the loss closer, but still a loss, then magically found more boxes for the hand recount hat gave the win to their candidate. Hmmm . . .

That said, I do think the Rep should bow out gracefully in order to let the state get about it's business. Then procecute the hell out of the corrupt/incompetent county officials to prevent this from happening again.

You are sadly mistaken, Idaho, and I wonder where you get your information.

Nearly every county in Washington "found" new ballots... not a big surprise if you know anything about election logistics. According to state law, the political canvassing boards in each county choose whether or not to count them... then the certify the election. Those boards contain representatives of both parties. They make their choice to count before knowing who the votes are for.

As for the political AFFILIATION of the county... I'm supposing you're saying that many people in King County -- the largest county in WA -- are democrats. That is true, but there are plenty of Republicans in King County, too. In fact, that is where Dino Rossi is from.

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This is more fun than a barrel of Republican monkeys (self-made primates, as it were) . . . keep up the good work, folks . . .

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Just to clarify something about King County, where I reside: In addition to being the county Seattle is set in, it includes heavily populated, traditionally Republican suburbs.

It is also, if memory serves, the home of Dino Rossi, the defeated Republican candidate.

And, when all is said and done, does anyone believe that if the situation were reversed and Rossi had won in a squeeker after three recounts, he'd want a new election?

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Here's the word from one "brilliant" Washington politico:

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The candidate for Washington's 7th Congressional District.
Republican

THANK YOU!--THANK YOU!

Thank you, to all our supporters who prayed, volunteered and donated their precious time and their hard earned money to our campaign, we can never adequately thank you, but ------ you, like me understand the blessings of liberty!

We stayed the course, we ran the race and we kept the faith. We had an agenda and we didn't stray from our convictions for Seattle, the state and our nation.

Our President won! Marriage was upheld in all 11 states that had marriage on their ballots. Happy New Year!

Again, thank you all so much

Carol Cassady*

Hey! Dino Rossi has won the Governors race twice in Washington State. The Democrats want a recount, they figure there are a few more dead people, illegal immigrants, ballots by slight of hand or by their own motto "vote early and vote often" and "here are ballots that look good enough to count more than once" they can count. How many more recounts do the Democrats need to get it right, DUH! Isn't it weird that people like Cantwell could win with only 5 counties out of 39. Shouldn't we consider here in Washington State to have some kind of Electoral College by county as they do by states in Federal Elections? Gergoire is only leading in 7 counties so far and still losing (still looking under the carpet for more ballots). How do all the majority counties feel about having nothing to say on who is leading this state?

Apparently she thinks that the majority of people shouldn't decide who wins... What a freakin' wacko. Instead, she thinks that those in the counties with 1,500 voters should get more say per person than those in counties with 1,000,000 voters.

Y'know, the dems would have backed down if the hand recount had gone for Rossi. That's the end of the line according to state law... unless you're a Republican.

And many of the complaining Republicans still don't "get" that every county had a hand recount. They say things in their many numerous letters to the editor like "it would be more fair if all the counties had done a hand recount." Duh. They did, you fools, they did. Every county did a hand recount! Unfortunately, the only place these folks seem to get their news is from wild-eyed radio announcers who don't want to actually tell them the truth... that might affect their ratings, I guess.

The Republican Sec'y of State said the hand recount was the most official and sure way to determine votes. The extra votes were also nearly split between the two parties, so it wasn't as though all the new votes went for Gregoire. Meanwhile, the Republicans have started a lawsuit demanding the entire state votes all over again at a cost of a couple of million dollars. Who will be paying for this, I wonder?

*BTW -- Carol Cassady lost to Jim McDermott. Not really a surprise.

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It is my hope that Washington will once again show why we're a bellwether state.

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