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I hear the secrets that you keep ...

 
 
Seed
 
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Reply Sat 25 Dec, 2004 08:55 pm
dont worry ladies... i still love you all.
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makemeshiver33
 
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Reply Sat 25 Dec, 2004 08:58 pm
Good Stories!

Not long after my husband and I married, he had gone off on a hunting trip and come home late at night. I was fast asleep and dreaming. He starts a conversation with me and I refer to him at "Steve". I kept calling him Steve and apparently by this time, he's miffed and not understanding my mix up with his name. Until I wake up to him standing over me with a look of puzzlement on his face.

I don't think once would have been that bad to live with, but I've done it more than once in our 18 years of marriage.... I have called him Steve, Ken and a few other names in my sleep. LOL

One of the things I hate, is just at that point of being asleep and you feel like you have fallen and you literally jump.

I have had some very detailed dreams. I dream in first person and I have found if I dig the details and meanings out of the things my dreams are fixated on...I find the underlying meaning.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Sat 25 Dec, 2004 08:59 pm
Seed--

You are absolutely adorable--but I think I speak for Letty as well as for myself that we regard you as an exceptionally talented grandson who leaves our friends sighing that they wish they were forty years younger.

Of course Letty is more adventursome than I am.
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Letty
 
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Reply Sat 25 Dec, 2004 09:01 pm
Very Happy That verbal type is what saved my arse on the GRE's.

Jespah, neat thread. I enjoyed reading everyone's stuff.

We love you, too, Seed.
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Seed
 
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Reply Sat 25 Dec, 2004 09:01 pm
well just remember if you care for an adventure... i am not your grandson by blood Wink
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Sat 25 Dec, 2004 09:12 pm
Seed--

I don't know whether to laugh or crow or blush! You're a man with a great deal of charm--and charming men can be dangerous men!

Hold your charm--and your dominion.
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Seed
 
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Reply Sat 25 Dec, 2004 09:13 pm
I shall Noddy Wink that was meant to mean that you ladies have a spirit worth chasing
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 25 Dec, 2004 09:20 pm
nimh wrote:
This thread brings back some memories ... not of myself - as far as I know or have ever heard, I dont talk in my sleep - but of A. ...

dlowan wrote:
Other times, he babbles nonsense in all the proper rhythms and cadences of normal speech - something he can do when awake, too.


One night, when she was not yet living here but I visited her where she then lived, I woke up sometime mid-morning, and since we were supposed to go to the city of P., a border away, that day, I tried to wake her up - but to no avail, whatsoever. She did half wake up - and I could talk with her - and she actually talked back - except it was in no existing language.

She would respond to my every sentence, question or edging on in fully-formed sentences, with as dlowan says all the proper rhythms and cadences of normal speech - but with not a single recognizable word in it. She's American, spoke snippets of one or two other languages apart from English but that's all - and distinct intonations, emphases etc of the words she uttered were, for example, quite Slovak-like - but not one actual word in any of the languages concerned among them. It was well weird.

Intrigued and eventually resigned to not being able to wake her up (not wanting to move on to shaking her awake or anything), I tried asking her questions, either in English or, eventually, in the magic fantasy language she seemed to be speaking, and she responded in utter self-evidence, with impatience if she thought me not to be understanding, insistence as if to make a point, assent when hearing something she apparently liked or with a shake of the head if she disagreed with the gibberish I spoke - all as in a normal conversation. I eventually gave up, kissed her good night again and went back to sleep. When we woke up, sometime late in the afternoon I think, she did not remember anything.


Lol!! That would be miraculous speaking in tongues if you were of a christian pentecostal bent!!!

Is A an aural specialist, Nimh? Mine is a sound fella - you know, muso, sound recordist, mixer, all that.

he knows what key the water goes down the plug in!
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 25 Dec, 2004 09:27 pm
makemeshiver33 wrote:
One of the things I hate, is just at that point of being asleep and you feel like you have fallen and you literally jump.


That's an amazing feeling, isn't it? And one falls with SUCH a thump!!!

Some kids become phobic about THAT too - which makes sense - because where on earth WERE you, to fall such a distance back into your bed, or your body - and what could happen to you there???


I will, when I am concentrating, (have done this since a tiny, tiny kid), hold whole, apparently rational, conversations - make dates, and other social arrangements - am a kind and attentive listener - all without consciously hearing a word - and without remembering a thing. (Causing a number of very distressing and, to me, mysterious confrontations with people.)

I once did this when delirious with shingles - lots of people phoned me, because I was on holidays, and I made all sorts of arrangements.

All I recall of that time is lying on my sofa, or in bed, in a strange stupor (fortunately taking things to relieve the pain - which I thought was some virulent cancer - hence lowering my temperature) - meekly saying no when my doctor's receptionist asked if it was urgent - (I didn't think strange cancers were URGENT, exactly) - but I seem to have been, by telephone, at least, a social butterfly.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Sat 25 Dec, 2004 09:33 pm
I always felt I was being jerked back to reality--and I resented the intrusion.
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Seed
 
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Reply Sat 25 Dec, 2004 09:35 pm
would you rather live in reality or a dreamworld where nothing is real? Or is only real until you wake up and find it was all a dream?
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makemeshiver33
 
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Reply Sat 25 Dec, 2004 09:37 pm
OHHHH, thats a point to ponder Dlowan...never thought about it that way before. I know its a wierd feeling to go through. I do it a few times a week, its just like you are on the verge of sleep when all of a sudden you fall, trip or jolt.....and you jump. I have woke my husband up jumping before. I know it will bring your eyes wide open for a second before you drift back off.

Since were on the topic of dreams. I have a question? The other night, I dreamed of a friend, he was a close friend to my husband and myself. He died in 94' due a self-inflicted gun shot wound. I grieved for a very long time. Still to this day, I can't really talk about him without wanting to cry. I know that after it happened, I was angry at him for his selfishness. Anyway...I dreamed about him the other night, very VERY real dream. He was hugging me, kissing me and telling me that he loved me...and had always loved me. It was so real........

So my question? Why does our subconsious dream....dreams of that nature, even though it never happened?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 25 Dec, 2004 09:38 pm
Wish fulfilment? Are you over the anger - ready to make peace with him, and recall the joys of your relationship?

I think dreams can be enormously healing.

Part of my grief process, always, is dreaming that the loved one is alive again, but that there is something threatening them, and that I can save them if only I can make a telephone call - or some such simple task - but I never can - I struggle for what seems like eternity trying to do whatever it is, but cannot.

I am sure this is an acceptance thing - as well, I guess, as expressing my guilt feelings (which we all tend to feel, at a death).

It ain't pretty, though.


Of course, some cultures would believe that you had been visited by your friend's spirit - and he comforted you.

Sounds lovely, whatever it was - and it seems like you may need to do some speaking about him, at last????
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 25 Dec, 2004 09:41 pm
I found back the notes I jotted down about that episode a year & a half ago ... was going to add it on to an "original writing" thread, never did ...

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There had been booze the night before, well, for her, he didnt drink himself, lots of booze; there'd been dancing, cheap disco lights in the basement pub, girls eyeing up guys in shiny tracksuit pants. A long night out, locals bawling into his ear, leaning over the table sweeping dirty coasters to the floor while he hung on to his Coke. There'd been stumbling in the cold night (dirty snow, slippery sidewalks they took forever to cross, miserly grey light), there'd been sex, strange, border-zone sex, that'd pushed limits and buttons before they'd ground into sleep amidst messy sheets on the makeshift, fold-out bed.

The apartment wasn't squalid, it was quite nice, actually. It just happened to look out on many similar high-rise tower blocks, most of them a pallid grey, some a more cheerful colour, with at their feet banks of ice along the maze of streets that pushed through the neighbourhood, merging into parking places. The apartment looked like only an apartment in this part of the world could look, carefully kept up with meagre means that left the comfortable enough seventies interior unavoidably looking slightly dilapitated. Sometimes he thought it was cozy. Sometimes he thought it was depressing.

They were supposed to cross the country this day, or rather: to cross into the next country, get underway, get round to their trip and even do some sightseeing, perhaps. After all, the next-door country actually had a tourist attraction of a capital, an endless expanse of quaint squares, romantic riverside walks, churches and city gates with small golden balls on top of their spiralling towers reaching skyward - and back alleys neglected just enough to be that much more melancholically inspiring than their counterparts in capitals further west. He'd been looking forward to showing her those charms, in between feeling confused, rattled, elated, worried.

There was, it soon became clear, no way to wake her up. Steadfastly asleep, doggedly asleep, perhaps, is the word. The alarm clock had awoken him, not her. Bags were packed. Just would need to get out of here. Say goodbye or sneak out - he didn't know what the procedure would be. He kissed her softly. No ripple. He caressed her cheek, whispered to her, no reaction. He must have smiled, then, a smile turning into a grin as it became ever more clear that here was a woman who would not budge. Didn't know whether to be endeared or anxious. Talking, moving, touching - nothing - until from the slumber someone did appear. It was a woman, a girl, at least, and she did not open her eyes, I think. But she talked to him, reluctantly, wiping away the suggestion of daytime with a halfhearted gesture, pushing it away with her arm. Asking. Is it really time to go? I dont want to - something like that, it would have been, except it was in a different language, no language he ever heard.

At first, he thought he misheard; then, he thought she was making random sounds, sleep-sounds. But the inflexion was real enough, the sing-song of her voice following the melody of a conversation, up down, question mark, grumble, shake of the head, "what?". He followed her, at first in amused endearment, then in slightly troubled wonder, as if following an unfamiliar sign onto a mountain trek. Talking to her in English, but getting an incomprehensible response; then, jestingly, trying his own language, then the language of the country they were in, just to see where it might go. It went nowhere. She got frustrated, frustrated that he didnt just understand her, and injected an impatient insistence into her voice. When that insistence threatened to turn into a more urgent anxiety, one he wanted to shelter her from, he changed tack. Instead of asking her what she was saying or saying "I don't understand", in any number of languages, he started talking with her - mimicking the sounds, the emphases, the vowels and consonants. Some seemed English, but never became words, others sounded very Russian, but in the way that a child mouths a language he doesn't know, making all the right sht's and tsh's without ever recognizing any of the combinations of syllables. It was all familiar, but familiar as in a mix of the ingredients she would have picked up on in times past.

The new tack seemed to comfort her. She nodded at what he echoed, answered his question marks, and, again, repeated the mantra of what clearly was a "no" to getting up and going out. He resigned himself to it, conversed some more, and let her fall asleep in the cup of his arm. Again, someone would wake up, an undetermined amount of time later, whisper to him (in English this time), make love to him, fall asleep again. When they eventually woke up anew for real, it was very late, dark outside already. His girlfriend remembered nothing of the previous awakenings.

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makemeshiver33
 
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Reply Sat 25 Dec, 2004 09:43 pm
dlowan, I'm not sure. Even now bringing it up brings tears to my eyes...I miss him. I miss the fun we had, the things we shared. He was the first one to know that I was pregnant with my first child. There's a long story there and I'll skip it as to not high-jack this thread. But I'm not sure......
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makemeshiver33
 
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Reply Sat 25 Dec, 2004 09:46 pm
Ty Dlowan.

I shared my dream with my best friend. She said the same thing. That she believed that it was his way of visiting me..........his way of giving some comfort.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 25 Dec, 2004 09:56 pm
Time to talk about him - somewhere, with SOMEONE, I believe, MMS.
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makemeshiver33
 
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Reply Sat 25 Dec, 2004 10:00 pm
I'm sure your right...TY
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 25 Dec, 2004 10:24 pm
Good luck!



Nimh - that episode with A obviously really affected you!!!
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Sat 25 Dec, 2004 10:34 pm
Jespah--

This is a delightful, proliferating thread. Thank you.

Seed--

You ask:

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would you rather live in reality or a dreamworld where nothing is real? Or is only real until you wake up and find it was all a dream?


In the '60's I spent the required amount of time contemplating whether men were butterflies dreaming of being men or men dreaming of butterflies.

Forty-odd years ago I decided that I was neither a man nor a butterfly.

Your question reminds me of Caliban's lament in Shakespeare's play, The Tempest

He's greeting a pack of drunken shipwrecked sailors who are understandably nervous about the noises that the owner of the isle has send to harry them.

I've been trying to Google for the precise words, but essentialy what Caliban says is that when he wakes from his dream life, he cries to dream again.

In my universe dreams and reality are twined together in a rope that tethers me to sanity.
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