Mikey did it

FreeDuck wrote:

Really.

Obviously you have impartial, independant sources for that, correct?

Mind sharing them?

I ask this because I've read a bit about different types of torture and I know many of them yield quite surprising, honest results.

Physical techniques are unreliable, mental techniques can be reliable but then it comes down to how well trained the torturer is.

An FBI document suggests the president authorized inhumane interrogation methods against Iraqi detainees, the American Civil Liberties Union said Monday.

The document is among those obtained from the government by the ACLU in a Freedom of Information Act suit in New York.

A two-page FBI e-mail refers to "a presidential executive order," and contends President Bush directly authorized interrogation techniques that included sleep deprivation, stress positions, the use of military dogs and "sensory deprivation through the use of hoods, etc.," The ACLU said.

The FBI e-mail was sent in May 2004 from "On Scene Commander -- Baghdad" to senior FBI officials.

The techniques are "beyond the bounds of FBI practice but within the parameters of the executive order ..." The e-mail said some FBI personnel witnessed the use of the techniques, but did not participate.

I guess our definitions of torture differ.

<shrug>

What you consider torture, I consider discomfort. I couldn't imagine what you'd consider what I think torture is.

Usually agony is involved. Wearing a hood and standing around naked while really tired is hardly torture. Uncomfortable? yes. Humiliating? You bet. Torture? Not the least bit.

Learn about what torture really is.

I guess our definitions of torture differ.

<shrug>

What you consider torture, I consider discomfort. I couldn't imagine what you'd consider what I think torture is.

Usually agony is involved. Wearing a hood and standing around naked while really tired is hardly torture. Uncomfortable? yes. Humiliating? You bet. Torture? Not the least bit.

Learn about what torture really is.

McGentrix wrote:

I guess our definitions of torture differ.

<shrug>

What you consider torture, I consider discomfort. I couldn't imagine what you'd consider what I think torture is.

Usually agony is involved. Wearing a hood and standing around naked while really tired is hardly torture. Uncomfortable? yes. Humiliating? You bet. Torture? Not the least bit.

Learn about what torture really is.

Would you call rectally impairing with a baton torture? How about suffocation by compression? How about forced homosexual encounters?

Lets call a spade a spade and not try to sugar coat this stuff. . . OK

McGentrix wrote:

I guess our definitions of torture differ.

<shrug>

What you consider torture, I consider discomfort. I couldn't imagine what you'd consider what I think torture is.

Usually agony is involved. Wearing a hood and standing around naked while really tired is hardly torture. Uncomfortable? yes. Humiliating? You bet. Torture? Not the least bit.

Learn about what torture really is.

OK. But if your techniques aren't considered torture then where's the disagreement? I said torture doesn't produce reliable evidence. You say that some interrogation techniques that don't qualify as torture do produce reliable evidence. OK.

I guess our definitions of torture differ.
Learn about what torture really is.

The School of the Americas (SOA), in 2001 renamed the "Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation," is a combat training school for Latin American soldiers, located at Fort Benning, Georgia.

Initially established in Panama in 1946, it was kicked out of that country in 1984 under the terms of the Panama Canal Treaty. Former Panamanian President, Jorge Illueca, stated that the School of the Americas was the "biggest base for destabilization in Latin America." The SOA, frequently dubbed the "School of Assassins," has left a trail of blood and suffering in every country where its graduates have returned.

Over its 56 years, the SOA has trained over 60,000 Latin American soldiers in counterinsurgency techniques, sniper training, commando and psychological warfare, military intelligence and interrogation tactics. These graduates have consistently used their skills to wage a war against their own people. Among those targeted by SOA graduates are educators, union organizers, religious workers, student leaders, and others who work for the rights of the poor. Hundreds of thousands of Latin Americans have been tortured, raped, assassinated, "disappeared," massacred, and forced into refugee by those trained at the School of Assassins.

American commanders in Iraq prevented an autopsy on a detainee who died in U.S. custody with multiple wounds, an Army document made public on Tuesday showed, in a case that rights activists said suggested a prisoner abuse cover-up.

. . .

A Jan. 1, 2004, memo written by Army criminal investigators said 44-year-old Abdul Kareem appeared to be healthy when captured the previous month. But he was discovered dead in his cell only days after being imprisoned, the memo stated.

A medic who examined his body saw multiple wounds, including a head laceration, internal bleeding, bruising on his abdomen and a clear fluid in his right ear. The body was sent to Baghdad for an autopsy to determine the cause of death, but the battalion and group command blocked the procedure without explanation.

"The investigation could not determine the cause of death without the benefit of a forensic autopsy," the memo stated.

Another memo from Army criminal investigators dated Nov. 23, 2003, said Obed Hethere Radad, a prisoner held in Tikrit, was fatally shot without warning by a U.S. Army soldier using an M16 rifle last year on the second anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

Rather than allowing Army criminal investigators to handle the case, an Army commander quickly convened a legal proceeding that resulted in the soldier being demoted in rank and discharged from the military, the memo showed. There was no autopsy and no crime scene evidence was collected.

Hold on, I saw this earlier...


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