IT WAS PROPER FOR GI TO QUESTION RUMSFELD

I find the whining going on (and I don't think the GI was whining, just asking a legitimate and respectful question) from the enemies of this administration about lack of a well equipped military to be a bit silly...

Larry434 wrote:

I find the whining going on (and I don't think the GI was whining, just asking a legitimate and respectful question) from the enemies of this administration about lack of a well equipped military to be a bit silly...

I find the ideological loyalty displayed by some posters in this forum to the group of incompetents who got us into this mess much, much more than "a bit silly."

I find it chilling!

Frank Apisa wrote:

Larry434 wrote:

I find the whining going on (and I don't think the GI was whining, just asking a legitimate and respectful question) from the enemies of this administration about lack of a well equipped military to be a bit silly...

I find the ideological loyalty displayed by some posters in this forum to the group of incompetents who got us into this mess much, much more than "a bit silly."

I find it chilling!

I guess our conflicting opinions continue, huh Frank?

BTW, my "loyalty" is not ideological. I always support my country, including her freely elected government, her laws, and our fine military. I have no ideological loyalty to any man, woman, or group thereof.

That also conflicts with your hatred of the people in this administration.

I like my position better.[/color]

I heard today that the Govt has ordered approx 1,000 new Humvees with the proper armament which should be deliverd by JUNE!! I can not find an official new release however.

Assume it is factual, this is another embarrasement to the administration. It took a GI to mention it, the media to report it, and NOW THE GOVT FIXES THE PROBLEM????

Sen McCain is being nice when he says he has no cinfidence in Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld inaction HAS cost the lives of US Soldiers. If he does NOT resign, or GW replace him, then next step might be impeachable offense, IMO.

Remember, there was no immediacy to rush to war in IRaq, which I supported.

U.S. Sen. Trent Lott doesn't believe Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld should resign immediately, but he does think Rumsfeld should be replaced sometime in the next year.

"I'm not a fan of Secretary Rumsfeld," Lott, R-Mississippi, told the Biloxi Chamber of Commerce on Wednesday morning. "I don't think he listens enough to his uniformed officers."

Golf season must be over... :wink:

Well, blindly supporting an elected government that happens to be a bunch of incompetent f**k-ups is certainly not something I'd ever brag about.

Me neither. I "blindly" support no man. But I am tolerant of human fallibility in our government officials.

Apropos of that...the phrase "My country, right or wrong" is among the most wrong-headed sentiments ever constructed.

So far, my country has been more right than wrong. And, IMO, that includes the prosecution of the war on terror, and those who harbor or export terrorism, abroad rather than in our cities. So far, so good in that department.

I think there's a lot more to this story than meets the eye.

One of the Marines I hear from regularly laughed when replying to my questions of what he thought about the soldier questioning Rumsfeld. He assured me his unit has everything it needs and said he was sitting about ten feet from his M1114, (which has protected glass windows and armament on its sides, front, rear, top and bottom.)

There's a plant in North Carolina that has been working double and triple shifts for over TWO years, after having hired more than 150 additional employees, to get the "Add-on" up-armor kits to Iraq. They've shipped thousands and I understand it takes about two hours to retrofit an unarmored vehicle.

Are there problems that need addressing? Of course. Still, it will continue to amaze me when people jump to conclusions without using even the most miniscule effort to get all the facts.

JustWonders wrote:

I think there's a lot more to this story than meets the eye.

One of the Marines I hear from regularly laughed when replying to my questions of what he thought about the soldier questioning Rumsfeld. He assured me his unit has everything it needs and said he was sitting about ten feet from his M1114, (which has protected glass windows and armament on its sides, front, rear, top and bottom.)

There's a plant in North Carolina that has been working double and triple shifts for over TWO years, after having hired more than 150 additional employees, to get the "Add-on" up-armor kits to Iraq. They've shipped thousands and I understand it takes about two hours to retrofit an unarmored vehicle.

Are there problems that need addressing? Of course. Still, it will continue to amaze me when people jump to conclusions without using even the most miniscule effort to get all the facts.

What is even more amazing, JW...is the bullshyt some people want to suppose are facts.





Boy...ya gotta hand it to the conservative masters. They sure know how to turn people into robots.

"Would you mind steadying my hand."

"But you are tying to cut my throat."

"Why...yes I am."

"Oh...okay. Here...lemme help steady ya!"

no shortage of work at the companies that turn out armored Humvees for the U.S. military.

5/12/2004

As U.S. casualties in Iraq mount from attacks on the vehicles, production is picking up at the AM General plant in Mishawaka, Ind., where Humvees are made, and at Fairfield-based O'Gara-Hess & Eisenhardt, which shrouds the vehicles in armor.

The Army upped its order for armored Humvees in December and is expected to buy nearly four times as many as last year. So the workforce at the O'Gara-Hess plant has ballooned from 200 to 500, with 200 more workers expected to be hired soon. Production has jumped from 100 vehicles a month to 250, with plans to boost that to 325 by summer.

At AM General, production increased last month to 32 Humvees a day, up from 30. Its 600 employees are working overtime to fill the demand, and spokesman Craig MacNab said the plant can make more if necessary.
"We can make them a lot faster than O'Gara can armor them," he said.

Inside the southwest Ohio O'Gara-Hess plant, where American flags hang from the rafters, the 500 workers have organized into military-like teams of Alpha, Bravo and Charlie. Metalworkers notch holes and grooves into the Humvees, assemblers fasten the steel plates and install bulletproof glass, and painters transform the green exterior into a desert tan.

Frank Apisa wrote:

JustWonders wrote:

I think there's a lot more to this story than meets the eye.

One of the Marines I hear from regularly laughed when replying to my questions of what he thought about the soldier questioning Rumsfeld. He assured me his unit has everything it needs and said he was sitting about ten feet from his M1114, (which has protected glass windows and armament on its sides, front, rear, top and bottom.)

There's a plant in North Carolina that has been working double and triple shifts for over TWO years, after having hired more than 150 additional employees, to get the "Add-on" up-armor kits to Iraq. They've shipped thousands and I understand it takes about two hours to retrofit an unarmored vehicle.

Are there problems that need addressing? Of course. Still, it will continue to amaze me when people jump to conclusions without using even the most miniscule effort to get all the facts.

What is even more amazing, JW...is the bullshyt some people want to suppose are facts.





Boy...ya gotta hand it to the conservative masters. They sure know how to turn people into robots.

"Would you mind steadying my hand."

"But you are tying to cut my throat."

"Why...yes I am."

"Oh...okay. Here...lemme help steady ya!"

Feel better, Frank?