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Why the Dems Lost Ohio

 
 
revel
 
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Reply Wed 8 Dec, 2004 07:43 pm
I think the Ohio result is reflective of kind of how it is through out the whole United States, almost split down the middle with republicans just slightly ahead. Every vote definitely counts in this polarized era.

I think also most people are just burned out from the elections and politics in general after all the mud slinging and charges and counter charges of the past two years. Maybe now we can just discuss world events without considering how it affects anything politically.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 8 Dec, 2004 08:26 pm
Yeah right.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Wed 8 Dec, 2004 08:39 pm
DimestoreDiva wrote:
With all the irregularities and the Bush campaign controlling the voting, no one knows what the real count was. I have met a lot of people from Ohio and they are among the dumbest in the country but even they are not this stupid.


Some of the people over at DU were saying that very thing (about dumb Ohioans), only they didn't say it quite as nicely.
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angie
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2005 11:40 pm
This article succinctly summarizes details of the alleged (?) voter fraud that took place during the 2004 election. It is well worth the five minute read.

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1065

Ten preliminary reasons why the Bush vote does not compute, and why Congress must investigate rather than certify the Electoral College by Bob Fitrakis, Steve Rosenfeld and Harvey Wasserman
January 3, 2005

excerpts:

"Crucial flaws in the national vote count, most importantly in Ohio, New Mexico and Florida, indicate John Kerry was most likely the actual winner on November 2, as reported in national exit polls. "

"The Bush-Cheney ?'do-everything' strategy in Ohio covered a very wide range of tactics, from disenfranchisement of minority voters to discarding of ballots to tampered tabulators and much more. ...... Taken as a whole, this compendium of error, fraud, cover-up and contempt indicates that this was not a legitimate election, and is not worthy of being certified by the Congress of the United States."

and, from the list:

More than 106,000 Ohio ballots remain uncounted. Most uncounted ballots come from regions and precincts where Kerry was strongest.

Democratic voters were apparently targeted with provisional ballots.

The Ohio recount wasn't random or comprehensive and may have involved serious illegalities. e.g there have been numerous confirmed instances where employees of the private companies that manufactured the voting machines had access to the machines and the computer records before the recount occurred. In at least two counties, technicians from Diebold and Triad dismantled key parts of voting machines before they could be subjected to audits for recount.

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There is nothing worse that the Bush administration could do to this country (and that's saying a lot) than render our elections irrelevant. Why this issue is not on the front pages baffles me, what with the so-called liberal media.

(copy)

Dear Senator Boxer,

I'm not sure if you will ever get to read this, but I had to write it anyway. People involved in a truly "great" moment often cannot sense the real impact of that moment, but I have to say, you made such a moment happen yesterday. At some point, someone had to realize that it's no longer about politics or anyone's individual career; it's about whether or not America as we know it will survive.

When they lie and take us to war for profit and power, when they threaten those who try to speak out and paint them as unpatriotic, when they alienate us from the rest of the world because of arrogance and greed, when they mock the fabric of our society by ignoring education, health care, and the environment, when they purposefully divide us over hard issues and scapegoat our fellow Americans who happen to be gay, when they use the devasting threat of terrorism to dismantle our freedoms and civil liberties, when they flood the public airwaves with bought-and-paid-for puppets to advance their extremist agenda at the expense of the truth, and when, finally, they dare to take away the only voice "we the people" have by defiantly and arrogantly instituting widespread election fraud and voter suppression .......... when America is brought to this painfully crucial and historic moment, a moment that cries out for essential leadership and extraordinary courage, we the people wait, we wait to see if someone will stand up, .... and this time, someone did.

From the bottom of my heart, as an American, as a mother, as a human being, I thank you.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2005 12:02 am
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050106/capt.dcgh10201061945.electoral_votes_dcgh102.jpg


Quote:
Sen. Boxer Quits 'Flawed' Political System
by Scott Ott

(2005-01-06) -- Just minutes after failing to halt the certification of President Bush's electoral victory, Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-CA, announced her resignation from the Senate today, saying she is "wracked with doubt" about the precise margin of her own victory in November.

While the official vote count showed that Mrs. Boxer trounced Republican Bill Jones by nearly 2.4 million votes, she said today that if even one voter was disenfranchised in California, then her "election is tainted and American troops in Iraq are dying in vain."

"I feel dirty," she said at a hastily-called news conference. "I'm leaving the senate so I can sleep at night and face myself in the mirror. If I stayed, I would be no better than George W. Bush."

Former Sen. Boxer encouraged her Democrat colleagues to "follow my principled leadership and abandon your ill-gotten seats of power."

President George Bush, when told of the resignation, said, "Sen. Boxer has fought for years to make America better. Today, she has won that fight, and deserves the gratitude of all Americans."

This, of course, is satire.
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tommrr
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2005 01:52 am
Oh Tico...if only in Cali we could be so lucky...
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Magus
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2005 02:12 pm
Ticomaya wrote:


President George Bush, when told of the resignation, said, "Sen. Boxer has fought for years to make America better. Today, she has won that fight, and deserves the gratitude of all Americans."

This, of course, is satire.
[/quote]

For snide, arrogant, back-handed compliments... W has the best scripters.
(...or should W be credited with generating this nastiness all on his own?)
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2005 02:23 pm
"
Quote:
This, of course, is satire
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a term applied to any work of literature or art whose objective is ridicule Yeppers sounds like Bushco (although I am also known for the same thing)
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2005 03:38 pm
Magus wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:


President George Bush, when told of the resignation, said, "Sen. Boxer has fought for years to make America better. Today, she has won that fight, and deserves the gratitude of all Americans."

This, of course, is satire.


For snide, arrogant, back-handed compliments... W has the best scripters.
(...or should W be credited with generating this nastiness all on his own?)


What are you talking about?
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