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I think America - when it voted to ban gay marriage in 11 states this last election thought that it would end there. I think they thought that there would be no slippery slope.

Guess again. I have come to the conclusion I do not have enough hate in me to be part of the Moral Majority of America.

New one! Alabama is trying to burn books in all public areas that have gay characters. Damned Shakespear and Dick Cheney's daughter for thier writings!

http://prorev.com/2004/12/alabama-lawmaker-wants-to-ban-books.htm

of course that is following fast on the heels of the South Carolina proposed legislation to ban gays from being open about thier relationships in public teaching services.

http://atheism.about.com/b/a/116870.htm

My question? What the hell is wrong with America?

TTF

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Nothing new here..

We started with the Suffragist agenda.
Then we went to the the Abolitionist agenda.
Then we had the Civil Rights agenda.

Just Godless heathens demanding rights...

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not enough emphasis on the 3 r's?

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Alabama is trying to burn books in all public areas that have gay characters.

Wrong. One legislator thought it was a good idea.

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South Carolina proposed legislation to ban gays from being open about thier relationships in public teaching services

Wrong, once again the opinion of one legislator.

Back to the factory for you I think.

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MaryM wrote:

Back to the factory for you I think.

Rude much?

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Pretty funny Laughing

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Sorry, no doubt there are more egregious examples of overstated and misspelled posts that I have overlooked.

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Nice condescension and sneer Mary. Add a couple of laughing emos and you can join the select Superior club.

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Mary:

Sorry... I did spell 'thier' wrong and I wasn't clear when I wrote 'proposed legislation' that DeMint's 'opinion' came at a Congressional debate where he said 'openly gay, I do not think that they should be teaching at public schools'.

I could pick other examples: The ban on Gay scout leaders in the Boy Scouts of America.

The ban on Homosexuals living in Rhea county Tennessee.

How about the refusal to add sexual orientation to the discrimination laws in Florida:

http://archive.datalounge.com/datalounge/news/record.html?record=2109

However, in Alabama it appears to be more than just an opinion.

"In Alabama, Republican state legislator Gerald Allen has introduced a bill [/i] that would ban all novels with gay characters from public libraries, including universities. If the bill passes, Allen said books containing gay characters will have to be removed from library shelves and destroyed. One book that would have to be destroyed is "Sisters" a 1981 lesbian romance novel written by Lynne Cheney, the wife of DIck Cheney."

Source: http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/03/1450257

You seem to clarify my position that I do not hate enough to part of this 'moral' movement.

TTF

p.s. I will save a seat for you at The Think Factory, your rudeness.

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This just in: President Bush is trying to impose a draft!

Err ... I mean ... Congress is wanting to pass a law that would impose a draft!

Well ... actually ... I guess a couple of Democratic legislators proposed a bill that would impose a draft.

Um ... nevermind.

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Ticomaya: Point?

TTF

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thethinkfactory wrote:

Ticomaya: Point?

TTF

Point? Didn't I say "Nevermind"?

Oh, alright, I'll try and explain my cryptic post...

Your news flash was: "Alabama is trying to burn books in all public areas that have gay characters," which you claimed was "... following fast on the heels of the South Carolina proposed legislation to ban gays from being open about thier relationships in public teaching services."

In fact, it turns out it the Alabama matter was just a bill proposed by one lone state legislator.

And your link for the South Carolina story indicates that was just a comment made by Jim DeMint in a debate -- not even proposed legislation.

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The Republican war to turn gays into second-class citizens was revealed very sharply in South Carolina where Republican Congressmen Jim DeMint from Greenville stated in a debate for a U.S. Senate seat that gays should not be allowed to teach in public schools

Flashback to the run-up to the Presidential Election, and the hue and cry by some that President Bush was going to impose a draft if he was reelected. Of course he isn't/wasn't planning on doing anything of the sort, but that was the innane rumor that was started by someone (probably on the Net). In fact, it was Charlie Rangel, and a few other Democratic legislators that had merely proposed a bill that would require a draft. The bizarre rumor had legs even after Congress voted on the two bills and overwhelmingly shot them down.

I saw a correlation to your post, and that "rumor" about Bush's intent to impose a draft. The "facts" stated in your initial post were quite suspect, don't you agree? And your initial response to MaryM was fairly scathing against her (which appears to have been since edited by you I take it) and it prompted me to respond in the manner I did.

Go ahead and feel free to save a seat for me also.

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Ticoyma,

I didn't intend this to be a pissing match at all. I told Mary after finding that the Alabama legislation wasn't just opinion to have her glass of shut the hell up. I edited it before your post because I thought one childish reply did not need to be upped by my stupidity - so yes, I edited it. However, I noticed you have omitted her original 'scathing' post from your commentary.

However, we seem to be in a backlash of legislation, opinions, and debate that isn't exactly supportive of Gay rights. In fact, we seem to be passing legislation - one by one - to ban gay marriage, not allow sexual orientation to be added to legislation against discrimination, and others.

My original post was not intentionally misleading and I have admitted that (twice) but I think you have to admit that this is a little stronger than rumors.

I also think you want it two ways - For the democrats when two of them propose a bill forcing the hand of those claiming a draft would never happen - you call it rumor mongering and unfair - as if it had some weight on how America voted. But when a single legislator from Alabama puts a legislation in from of his state - it would be absurd to think this is a movement in America.

I don't think you can have that both ways.

TTF

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thethinkfactory wrote:

Ticoyma,

I didn't intend this to be a pissing match at all. I told Mary after finding that the Alabama legislation wasn't just opinion to have her glass of shut the hell up. I edited it before your post because I thought one childish reply did not need to be upped by my stupidity - so yes, I edited it. However, I noticed you have omitted her original 'scathing' post from your commentary.

However, we seem to be in a backlash of legislation, opinions, and debate that isn't exactly supportive of Gay rights. In fact, we seem to be passing legislation - one by one - to ban gay marriage, not allow sexual orientation to be added to legislation against discrimination, and others.

My original post was not intentionally misleading and I have admitted that (twice) but I think you have to admit that this is a little stronger than rumors.

I also think you want it two ways - For the democrats when two of them propose a bill forcing the hand of those claiming a draft would never happen - you call it rumor mongering and unfair - as if it had some weight on how America voted. But when a single legislator from Alabama puts a legislation in from of his state - it would be absurd to think this is a movement in America.

I don't think you can have that both ways.

TTF

Without commenting on your concern about the "backlash of legislation, opinions, and debate" - as that is another matter - I find your mischaracterization of the facts you alluded to, to be far more egregious than Mary's less than polite reply to same. That must be the insensitive part of me coming through. :wink:

I don't want it "two ways" - be clear that the "rumor mongering" was not the fact that the couple of Democrats had proposed legislation requiring a draft, it was the subsequent morphing of that into the rumor that President Bush would require a draft if reelected. All it ever was, was proposed legislation - nothing more, nothing less - and not even put forth by a Republican. So it clearly evolved into a rumor far in excess of reality.

I found your characterization of this proposed legislation by an Alabama state representative as "Alabama is trying to burn books" is a rather hysterical response to the reality.

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In my opinion the proposed legislation by the Democrats in question was to force the rumors of a draft to the floor and into the federal spotlight. That is why the proposers of the bill voted against it.

If a rumor started around it - and the president was blamed for it - then that is wrong headed. My intent was not to start a rumor - it was a wrong quote of mine in the original post - but that was laziness on my part. I also appreciate being corrected - and take the criticism well I think - but when I am meant to be demeaned in the criticism - then I tend to get pissy.

Back on topic... Similarly I think that is why President Bush had proposed a Amendment against gay marriage - to force the issue and to make it a state thing - which it has become.

I do think, however, that this proposed legislation in Alabama amount to burning books. The poposed bill calls for the 'destruction of books containing homosexual characters'. How do you think they are going to get rid of them - lethal injection? Smile

TTF

p.s. Tocomaya - if you and I keep this up - we will have rational political debate. Wait that's just crazy talk! Wink

I would appreciate a 'do over'. I feel I am a rational person - and would love to be told that I am overreacting - I just keep seeing this legislation and things and I think this is a backlash on gay rights.

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Sounds good. Smile

BTW: The Alabama Representative in question was just on Hannity & Colmes, and if his performance on that show is any indication of his oratory abilities on the floor of the Alabama House, you should not lose any sleep tonight concerned that his legislation might pass. He does not appear capable of arguing himself out of a paper bag. He made poor arguments, was less than focused, and seemed largely inarticulate.

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based on that description I have to assume he will br running for President on the GOP ticket.

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Ticomaya and others:

What do you attribute these attacks to? They seem not to be isolated with 11 states restricting marriage to only heterosexuals.

Off topic: Why do Hetro's think that they have authority to define marriage when 1/2 the time they cannot get it right?

TF

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thethinkfactory wrote:

Ticomaya and others:

What do you attribute these attacks to? They seem not to be isolated with 11 states restricting marriage to only heterosexuals.

Off topic: Why do Hetro's think that they have authority to define marriage when 1/2 the time they cannot get it right?

TF

I'm not sure I know exactly what you mean by "these attacks," but the reaction of the states to the homosexual marriage issue seems to be directly related to the actions of some jurisdictions condoning/promoting same.

Just to provide you with some perspective, it is my (hetero) sense that it is the homosexual "lifestyle" that is ... "gaining ground" these days. Granted, this is not one of my hot button issues, nor do I claim to be knowledgeable on the subject, but it does seem that there are a lot more "gay-centric" TV shows/themes these days. It seems to be gaining acceptance in society. That seems to be the trend to me.

Maybe "these attacks" are a reaction to that. Us heteros feel a threat to what we perceive as good family values/morals? That'd be my guess.

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