snood wrote:
How do you know there is no God, edgar?
You'd be surprised how often I've asked Edgar that same thing!
(Am I getting a sense of deja vu here???)
The Pagans and the Angels - now, there's an appropriately eponymous pair for an inevitable rivalry, eh, Frank? :lol
timberlandko wrote:The Pagans and the Angels - now, there's an appropriately eponymous pair for an inevitable rivalry, eh, Frank? :lol
Indeed!
It happens that one of my jobs (as a bartender in a seedy go-go joint)...I had lots of contact with Pagans. They were a rough bunch...but I was liked...and nobody gave me any sass. In fact, they were like de facto bouncers/bodyguards for me at times.
This particular bar was a very rough bar.
Owned an interest in a biker bar once - the county decided when it came time to modernize the road it was on, the best available right-of-way involved a slight meander which incorporated the entire property on which the place was located - but thats a different story. Anyhow, from an overall operation standpoint, the place was pretty smooth. The targeted clientel, apparently appreciative and respectful of the venue provided for their fellowship, entertainment, imbibin' and whatnot, were quite inventively discrete about recreational pharmaceuticals, and most times, if contention and confrontation came to conflict, the uninvolved patrons quickly and authoritatively made sure the principals in the dispute took it outside. There rarely was any damage to fixtures and furnishin's. Place never got robbed, either, though the gas station across the street (which survived the road reconstruction) was a regular late-night stop for devotees of that pursuit.
evidence snood, its that ole annoying evidence. a number of ttestimonies of the gospels exiist, yet only about 26 made it through to be included into the canon.
Many of these gospels conflict substaantially about the very mission of jesus(Im going with Xtianity here since it so 'God" driven) Which books are correct? and why were the others ommited/ Doesnt the very foundation data upon which your belief is based need to be at least firmly footed?
i get a kick out of Creationists who try to argue that the scieentific base of evoluttionary theory isnt 'rigorous enough" yet these same people wont bat an eye at the preposterous levels of untruth and deception that has gone into your Scripture
As far as the OT, we know that from Genesis on the interactions of humans with a god were hyperbole at best and probably just crowd pleasing myth. the myths of the OT arent new or unique, they borrow from earlier myths, but with substantial changes
when I find that there is more crap spooned out in the name of a god, than there is in any alternative, I begin to become disenchanted with religious dogma.
famerman,
do you think there are things which are beyond human conprehension?
If I might topically interject here, snood, I would opine there is much, by restraints imposed by the so-far-achieved, yet ever ongoing, accellerating expansion of the boundaries of our abilities to cognitively perceive, access, process, and categorize, which lies beyond either comprehension or recognition.
We push ever further in the interest of expanding the realm of the known, but among the greatest of the unknowns - perhaps the single most insuperable unknown - precisely is the question of the qualitative and quantitive nature of the unknown.
I think too that might just be what its really all about; not the quarry, but the hunt.
Emphatically a "Yes", but in no way an endorsement of any "ism" othr, perhaps, than agnosticism. I -We - just don't know.
So far.
Will we ever know?
Dunno.
Sorta doubt it, though.
Nobody brought any "isms" up. Just trying to ascertain whether some of you acknowledge that there are things that are beyond them.
I think thats a given, snood - and in that, I take great exception to those who assert with certainty that some ethereal force or being must lie at the core of things. To me, such a notion is preposterous on its face. It is the "Must" part that is the gaping hole in that boat's hull.
I'm hearing you say that there are things man doesn't know...YET. I'm asking if the Atheists and agnostics believe that there are things beyond their conprehension.
You're funny, timber. You're saying there are things you just don't know, but you know that those things have nothing to do with any god, nonetheless.
snood wrote:You're funny, timber. You're saying there are things you just don't know, but you know that those things have nothing to do with any god, nonetheless.
Nope, not at all. You're projectin' there snood; all I'm sayin' is I/We jus' plain dunno. And that we dunno if ever we will know or not.
Thats pretty much what "dunno" is about.
snood, I believe in the concept of "omit uneeded words"
There are tthings beyond our comprehension, butt we seem to sneak up on their shadows as we progress. in tte religions, hat never seems to happen. the tthings that we used to credit to a 'god" have dramatically shrunk, dont you agree> So weve painted god into a corner from which he will probably, one day , disappear.
However, there are the needs that we have, that make us hold on to a universal guide, a spiritual keeper , a guy from whom all things derive. Well , we all have our needs, mine isnt one that is based upon myths, as charming and entertaining as they may be
For the sakes of clarity and consistency, lemme rephrase something. "I take great exception to those who assert with certainty that some ethereal force or being must, or must not, lie at the core of things."
snood wrote:I'm hearing you say that there are things man doesn't know...YET. I'm asking if the Atheists and agnostics believe that there are things beyond their conprehension.
Agnostics do not have to "believe" there are things beyond their comprehension...agnosticism is acknowledgement that there
most definitely are things beyond our comprehension (at least for the moment)...and that we consider it important to acknowledge that.
I am at a loss to understand how you could put agnostics in a question like that...when the very essence of agnosticism is to acknowledge that there are things beyond our comprehension.
most religions are built upon deception. Historical data to confirm that opinion are easily collected.So Why build institutions to deception?
iMHO its because people need to have some form of warm and fuzzy feelings about the infinite. im amazed at the complex ritual and beliefs weve conjured up to build and run these institutiions.
I read that as a 'yes'.
