SHOCKING PICTURES FROM IRAQ

candidone1 wrote:

Yes...more happy pictures please.
That way we can be in complete and utter denial of the realities overseas. We should also keep from the public the numbers of dead on either side.
I am a big fan of outta sight, outta mind! It helps me shut out all the ugliness in this world.

I see you studied the fine art of sarcasm. :wink:

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Baldimo wrote:

I guess it is fiting that Al Jazeera make a film on media bias, they are the leading news organization in this field. Do they have pictures of happy people in Iraq or would those constitut unwanted footage? We all know they have no problem showing videos of bin Laden and beheadings.

Why don't you comment on the film AFTER you've seen it?

If you want to see pictures of happy people in Iraq, try Fahrenheit 9/11. Very Happy

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Actually Baldimo, Al J is a remarkably unbiased network considering it's position. Some of the commentators have been very harsh on the Arab world's shortcomings.

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JanW wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

I guess it is fiting that Al Jazeera make a film on media bias, they are the leading news organization in this field. Do they have pictures of happy people in Iraq or would those constitut unwanted footage? We all know they have no problem showing videos of bin Laden and beheadings.

Why don't you comment on the film AFTER you've seen it?

If you want to see pictures of happy people in Iraq, try Fahrenheit 9/11.

Why would I want to watch a film by a group that is a mouthpiece for bin Laden? I know this is probably short sighted of me, but I can't help it. Do you watch Fox News or do you dismiss it as conservative propaganda?

You watch Fahrenhype 9/11 and I'll watch the Al J documentary.

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Hmmm. Well, some things that had been confusing to me are now explained. Good to know.

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The liberal media here in the bay area totally ignored the swift success in Falluja (sp?) and immediately started reporting on uprisings elsewhere.

It's enough to make me wanna launch an RPG into their broadcast booth.

The front page of the Chronicle today is a big splashy photo of their hero, Bill, with his wife and daughter, and president Bush straining awkwardly to see something to his left. I swear, there is a picture of Clinton in the paper every single friggin day. WTF?

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CJ,

The "swift success" in Falluja has not been ignored. Just like the swift success in the initial invasion, it is being covered.

I heard a report where a Iraqi government official actually used the phrase "Mission Accomplished" to describe the success in Falluja.

Shame on the media for reporting on uprisings in Iraq! How dare they undercut our swift and crushing success.

Only 51 soldiers were lost. Falluja is now safe for soldiers and residents as children happily play with GI's in the streets. The Sunnis from Falluja who have been liberated are cheering and can't wait to vote in the upcoming election.

Iraqis are rising up with one voice against the insurgents, as all factions are united to form a new pro-US government. The violence is subsiding.

Things just couldn't get any better!

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ebrown_p wrote:

Things just couldn't get any better!

I totally agree here.

Quote:

Rebels undermine Iraq elections, U.S. says
Official: 'It would now be difficult' in parts of north

The Associated Press
Updated: 1:35 p.m. ET Nov. 19, 2004

WASHINGTON - The insurgency in Iraq poses a bigger obstacle to rebuilding Sunni-dominated parts of the country today than it did six weeks ago, the coordinator of U.S. reconstruction aid said Friday.

William Taylor, speaking from Baghdad in a video teleconference with reporters at the Pentagon, said the problem has grown worse in the Sunni Triangle north and west of Baghdad, and in Mosul, the city in northern Iraq where insurgents briefly overran police stations earlier this week.

Taylor is director of the Iraqi Reconstruction Management Office in the U.S. Embassy.

"In the Sunni areas and then up in Mosul it is worse today than it was, and we're having greater difficulties from security," he said. "We're worried that in some areas ?- again, not all ?- in some areas it would now be difficult to have elections," and so it is important that reconstruction work speed up so that voting can take place nationwide in late January, Taylor added.

He said reconstruction is proceeding without much problem in southern and northeastern Iraq.

Strategy: 'Start as many projects as we can'
Charles Hess, director of reconstruction contracting, appeared with Taylor and said that although "security is still a serious concern," U.S. officials believe they can overcome it.

"One of our mechanisms to deal with that, frankly, is to start as many projects as we can, given the fact that we know the insurgents can't be everywhere," Hess said. "Consequently, the more projects we start, we are moving Iraqis out, we're getting them employed, they are doing meaningful labor, they're restoring their country, and in and of itself that is a very positive and powerful thing we want to accomplish between now and the elections in January."

Hess said insurgent sabotage is a problem, particularly in the oil industry that is the backbone of Iraq's economy.

Fallujah to get $100 million
Taylor said upward of $100 million in U.S. and Iraqi government funds will be spent to rebuild Fallujah, which suffered extensive damage during the U.S. offensive this month. He said security there is not yet sufficient to begin reconstruction but that within a week or two he expects to start restoring basic services like electricity, water and sewage. He said $8 million is earmarked for water supply improvements and $4 million to build four new schools.

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Source

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Why don't you two go play with your bomb belts or something.

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McGentrix wrote:

candidone1 wrote:
Yes...more happy pictures please.
That way we can be in complete and utter denial of the realities overseas. We should also keep from the public the numbers of dead on either side.
I am a big fan of outta sight, outta mind! It helps me shut out all the ugliness in this world.

I see you studied the fine art of sarcasm. :wink:

I hate using it...it's more of a weapon than a tool, but nevertheless it comes out often.
In my utopian world, news would be free from political agendas, smear campaigns, innaccuracies and exaggerations to make a catchy headlines in order to sell another bundle.
What you get is never the truth, and it makes it hard to really be in the know with such corruption throughout the ranks.

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cjhsa wrote:

Why don't you two go play with your bomb belts or something.

Somebody is getting testy...

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You're the one desecrating my flag on A2K....

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And, you are the one desecrating mine...

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Yeah, right....

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CJ,

Rather than this silliness I want to give you a serious response.

I love my country at least as much as you do.

I don't expect you to agree, but I hope you can understand. I resent the implication that those who dissent are either supporting terrorists or disrepecting the ideals of the U.S.

This country was based on principle of "government of the people, by the people and for the people". This, at the very least gives me the right to express my deep felt and urgent dismay at the prosecution of this war.

Since the United States is my country and the government is acting on my behalf, as a responsible citizen I feel it is my obligation to oppose in any ethical way possible what I feel is a deeply immoral war.

Believe it or not. Agree or not, you need us. Citizens who were willing to express dissent ended slavery gained civil rights and stopped countless abuses from Mexico, to the Phillipines to South America. The ability of citizens to oppose the government is the foundation of our society and the key to any of our successes.

I am deeply opposed to this war, and I am distressed by the US actions in the Middle East. This does not mean that I support acts of terrorism or oppose my country.

Protesting the war means the exact opposite. It means I want to bring an end to the brutal reality in the Middle East that leads to terrorism and that I love my country enough to pressure the government to change its disastrous course.

As a citizen I will do everything ethical in my power to get the US out of this war that is both disasterous and wrong.

Don't accuse anti-war sentiment and acts of deeply felt protest with being against America. I care deeply about my country, perhaps in a way that you can not understand.

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Then change your avatar...

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Cj,

Again, I do not expect you to agree, but I hope you can understand. My display of the flag upside-down is to me an act of protest and is keeping of what it means to be an American citizen.

1) Protest is designed to challenge the accepted beliefs of others in the broader society. My intention is to express a strong view that I am deeply distressed at the actions being taken in the name of my country and her flag. I think you are telling me my avatar is sucessful in this.

2) The US flag code allows flying the flag upside down "as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property". My views are properly expressed by my avatar.

3) It is the responsibility of citizens in a free society to exercize rights to free expression, especially in times with urgent moral issues. I intend to fulfill my responsibility.

4) Blind nationalism is a real threat. This "my country right or wrong" attitude is responsible for the worst acts of history. People need to constantly be alert and challenge blind patriotism that clings to the flag and abandons the ideals that flag stands for.

I don't expect you to agree. But thank God we live in a country you don't have to.

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ebrown_p wrote:

Cj,
Blind nationalism is a real threat. This "my country right or wrong" attitude is responsible for the worst acts of history. People need to constantly be alert and challenge blind patriotism that clings to the flag and abandons the ideals that flag stands for.

Thank-you for such a refreshing statement.
I was beginning to believe I was the only one who saw the toxicity in such a belief.

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Baldimo wrote:

Why would I want to watch a film by a group that is a mouthpiece for bin Laden? I know this is probably short sighted of me, but I can't help it. Do you watch Fox News or do you dismiss it as conservative propaganda?

You watch Fahrenhype 9/11 and I'll watch the Al J documentary.

It's a deal. Let me know when you've seen The Control Room. I'll watch Fahrenhype this weekend and let you know when I've done so.

As for TV news, I don't watch any of them. I get my news off the web from AP, Reuters, NY Times, Wash Post, etc.

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oh come on! war is ugly what did any of us really think we were going to see when this started . there are good poits on both sides ofthe argument , but right or wrong to go in in the first place , what kind of situation would we have if we abandoned it now . US has already overthron the iraq government , we have no choice but to help rebuild a new one now. too many people depend on it.

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