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Genealogy....Family Trees? Anyone?

 
 
Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 02:41 pm
I have been working on my family tree in what "spare time", I have.

Lets see who we can find in A2K that have some of the same surnames. Who knows who we might end up being family with.....lol Thats if you want to share information?

My 4 main surnames on my mothers side are...

1)Douskurt
2)Friddle
3)Pace
4)Elmore

Other surnames in my family are:

Allred, Barclay, Blattner, Cooper, Clift, Conyers,Donnington, Harris, Kinman, Kimery, Marsh, Maycock, O'Dear, Speller, Stephens, Smith, Tungate, Tyler, Ward, White, Winters, Wright, Woodruff.

I have my Pace line all the way back to Richard Pace of Jamestown who was married to Isabella Smith. Rumor was she was Capt. John Smiths Daughter. Not clear on that yet.

Friddle line goes to Germany......to Hans George Friedel, they come over on the "Britannia" in 1731.

Elmore line goes isn't piecing together as well as I would like for it too. The furtherest I have there is George Elmore of Tn. 1815.

And the Douskurt line is a brick wall.

Has anyone else worked on thier family history??
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 03:07 pm
fascinating subject, but i think i, like most people on A2k, would rather not publicize info like that...
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 03:25 pm
I would love to chart my lineage but I am too cheap to pay for it. he he he...
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Letty
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 03:27 pm
makesmeshiver. Welcome back, honey. My oldest sister is the keeper of the flame, and she's welcome to it.
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makemeshiver33
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 07:35 pm
LOL, Thanks Letty.

I find it fascinating!! And Kristie.....there's ways around paying for it. Lots of sights are free to join up. Just go to thier message boards, look for post concerning your family names. Most, post the information that they find, therefore......put it together like a puzzle and bingo.

Besides, there is lds.org its a big help in finding family members. Or use Google or Searchalot.com and use the name your looking for, anything that has been posted will come up.

I hate to make this a long post, but just to tell how interesting this can be.

One of my husbands and my best friends has been dating this wonderful woman for the last year. Come to find out her daughter has been doing thier genealogy. The conversation started and I mentioned my family surnames. It turned out that we are distant cousins. We share grandparents 4 generations back. Matter of fact, her Grandmother is an Elmore. LOL

Three days later, we find that our best friend, he and my husband are 3rd cousins, and didn't even know it. Those two have been best of friends since early childhood.

So you never know.......
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 07:54 pm
I have too many relatives as it is, so I don't want
to find out of the hidden ones Wink

Very interesting subject though. My grandfather had
traced our paternal lineage back to the 1200 where
they lived in what is today Alsace-Lorraine.
Wherever I traveled my grandfather always told me
to look up the white pages to see if someone had
the same surname as ours - if yes, they had to be
relatives http://www.borge.diesal.de/schiel.gif
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makemeshiver33
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 08:25 pm
My mom tells me the same thing. The Douskurt name is very unusual. I have done a world wide search on it and found no others.
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Etruscia
 
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Reply Sat 20 Nov, 2004 09:02 pm
I have not done a family lineage but i suspect that van Kessel on my dads side goes back to medieval holland.
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makemeshiver33
 
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Reply Sat 20 Nov, 2004 09:12 pm
WOW......!
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Etruscia
 
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Reply Sun 21 Nov, 2004 11:45 am
Actually what i found is that the name , Kessell, kessel, or van Kessel, comes from Medieval Bavaria (germany). This probably isnt a for sure, but i found a famous baroque era painter called Jan (pronounced like YAwn) van Kessel. MAybe related?? Ill ask around.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 21 Nov, 2004 11:51 am
Well, actually some others before me (in the late 20's of last centuy) noted all the related sources and the archived number plus archives, where collected.

This is only of my family's name, which thus can be dated back in printed/written sources back to 1287.
(There are just about a dozen between 1287 and end of 15th century, but the lines can be followed nearly completely.)
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Etruscia
 
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Reply Sun 21 Nov, 2004 12:06 pm
Where is your family from. Germany?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 21 Nov, 2004 12:20 pm
You mean mine?

Yes, what was then the country of the Prince Bishop of M√ľnster.
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Etruscia
 
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Reply Sun 21 Nov, 2004 12:36 pm
Wow, that is actually pretty awesome. I guess thats when it was the Holy Roman Empire, eh?"D Hopefully i can eventually see where my family tree goes back to, i would imagine i could get van Kessel back to the 1500s and then Kessel before the van was added back to earlier German territory.
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fishin
 
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Reply Sun 21 Nov, 2004 01:24 pm
I've been digging around doing genealogy for the last 10 years or so. It's just something that my mother had started and I picked up on later. I've managed to trace most of my lines back to 1600 or so with one line back to the early 1300s. One main line has been the stumbling block all along and I've been stuck with gr-gr-gr-grandfather that was born in 1818 but seems to have come from nowhere.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sun 21 Nov, 2004 01:37 pm
ehbeth has "suggested" a number of times that i should do some research on our families histories. i don't have any actual documents going back farther than my grandfather(father's side). there was talk in the family of some gypsi links ? might be interesting some day when i have NOTHING else to do. a few years ago we managed to get a copy of mrs h's birth-certificate; she was born in eastern-prussia and the family had to flee and leave literally everything behind. an official at the german consulate in toronto suggested that we apply to the german main registrar's office in berlin. lo-and-behold ! copies of the registers had been transferred to berlin and we got a true copy (fancy writing !) of her birth certificate. well, maybe, one day ... hbg
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squinney
 
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Reply Sun 21 Nov, 2004 02:13 pm
Lucky for me a distant aunt did all of the research and incorporated some help from Duke University somehow, so all of it is done back to Scotland around the time of Braveheart.

Quote:
Legend has it that the first Graham was one Gramus who forced a breach in the Roman Antonine wall known as Graeme's Dyke in 420 A.D. However, historians generally believe that the Grahams were of Norman descent. The first record of the name was William de Graham who received the lands of Aberdeen and Dalkeith from David 1 in 1127. From him descend all the Grahams of Montrose. They became numerous in Liddesdale and the Borders and later obtained lands in Strathearn and Lower Perthshi re, the area with which the clan is now associated. The main line of Graham chiefs were long and loyal supporters of the Scottish cause. Sir John Graham of Dundaff, a friend and follower of Wallace was killed at the Battle of Falkirk in 1298. His son Sir David received the lands of Montrose for faithful service to King Robert the Bruce. The 3rd Lord Graham was created earl in 1504 and fell at Flodden in 1513. James, the 5th earl was created Marquis of Montrose. Two of Scotlands greatest generals have been provided by the Grahams of Montrose. James Graham, 1st Marquis led the war in Scotland on behalf of Charles I and John Graham of Claverhouse, Viscount Dundee (Bonnie Dundee), led the highly successful campaign for James VII during which time he managed to organise the Highlanders into a strong single force and gain great victories, notably the Battles of Inverlochy and Killicrankie.

Clan Graham of Montrose
The house of Graham of Montrose stems from the younger son of William de Graham, a descendant of whom acquired Old Montrose and lands around from Robert I (the Bruce) in 1325.

Approx in 1410, Sir William Graham of Kincardine married his second wife Mary Stewart, second daughter of King Robert III and widow of George Douglas (d. 1403), 1st Earl of Angus, and of Sir James Kennedy, by whom she had James Kennedy (1408-65), Bishop of St Andrews and Lord Chancellor of Scotland (after Graham's death she acquired a fourth husband). One of their sons, Patrick Graham (d.1478), succeeded Kennedy at St Andrews and persuaded Pope Paul II to promote the see to an archbishopric. James Graham (d.1747), 4th Marquis of Montrose, was created Duke of Montrose in 1707. Between 1712 and 1724, when he gave up in desperation, he prosecuted a running feud against Rob Roy MacGregor (1671-1734).


Billy Graham is a third or fourth cousin.


Also, Davy Crockett is in my lineage, though I'd never wear one of those coonskin caps on my head.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 21 Nov, 2004 02:20 pm
Whilst looking a bit around granmother's (gfahter's site) family, I found some really interesting facts:

this family immigrated from 'Germany' to 'The Netherlands' (meaning: what is now ...) in 14th/15th century.
While obviously the most part stayed in the Netherlands (the "van Homeot's" still are a very big family), in 15th century one married again in 'Germany', changed the "van" back to the original "von" and founded a small 'dynasty'.

On the www a found a notice on a school website, taken from a book from late 19th century.
The story there goes that only two single/unmarried brothers lived in this house
http://www.gymnasium-nottuln.de/comenius/de/unheimliches-muensterland/grusel/hhwassseit.jpg

Suddenly one disappeared, and it was told that he immigrated to America.
So the other could get the house and all the land for himself and alone.
When he died, the -obviously murdered- dead body of the brother was found walled in the chimney.

Well, we have several copies of this house at home, two painted by my uncle (he was quite a famous painter), because he was born there and lived with my grandmother and their three brothers there until the late 90's of 19th century.

So, that nice "weird story from Westphalia" can't be true at all.


However:
there has bee a telling in our family that the house and the land had to been sold in the 1920's. They got on million Gold Mark for it. A sollictor told them, to investigate this money "in papers" - which weren't worth the paper they were printed on after the inflation.

So, unfortunately only a few historic antiques from this family are still here.

Nice sad story, isn't it?

The oldest sister of the mentioned siblings married a Dutchman, who owned a chocolade factory in Germany.
The family saga was telling that they had to sell the factory due to the Nazis. They immigarted to the Netherlands.

Sad story, too.

Both are untrue, however.

Whle I'd always been confused, why my aunt and uncle left Germany in the very early 20's (no one really noticed the Nazis at that time here!), the inernet helped me to find the 'truth':

there had been really two brothers: my great-granfather and his single brother. The latter often travelled in his young years to the Netherlands and .... visited casinos there. He lost and lost money. One night, he tried to make the bidg win and put all his eggs in one basket.
Result: his brother had to sell all his owings (house, land and more) to pay for the debts.

To get some of the personal belongings back, the chocolat factory was sold and these things were bought back from the new owners.


Great-grandfather's brother seems to have committed suicide, according to Dutch newspapers of that time.
And the "von" was 'deleted' from the family name then.
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makemeshiver33
 
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Reply Sun 21 Nov, 2004 02:32 pm
HI Squinney.... Laughing

That is really neat!!

BTW Squinney, Davy Crockett is sopposed to be in my lineage on my fathers side, but I haven't gotten it completely started. We are Scottish on that side, McMullen's....once I'm finished with my mothers side, I'm headed in that direction.

I actually started this thread hoping that someone in A2K might have some help with the Douskurt name, or advice. ITs a complete brick wall. Seems like he just appeared here and that was it. Honestly, I don't even believe that Douskurt was his last name. There are no others.

The family story is that my GGrandfather, along with two sisters were stow-aways to the US. They settled in the Chicago area and he had ties into the Mob. The feds got after him and he fled to Arkansas. Married, had children and then disapeared back into the Chicago area for an 11 year period. It was told that he done time in the pen, but I can't find any records on it. Afterwards, he returned to Arkansas and died a few years later.

His name was spelled, Dascart...in his bible. Which his Bible is Lithuanian. Dauskurt in a Census and Douskurt on his wife's headstone.

I had a man from Russia contact me and suggest that the name wasn't Russian, but French. That many French families had migrated into Russia during that time period...
I just have no clue........
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sun 21 Nov, 2004 02:35 pm
yes, if only grandfather had not been a spendthrift ... my dad's father inherited a small fortune when he was only 19 or 20 - an apartmenthouse, a pub and a destillery. as luck would have it , he found some good friends who helped him 'distribute' his wordly goods by the time he was 25 ! wine , women and song ! my father used to talk about starting schooling in a private school in 1905 and having to transfer to a public school two years later. ... grandfather never regretted having 'lived it up' - he lived well into his 80's and loved to tell stories of 'the high life' - but gradma was - understandable - a little sour. i could have lived a life in luxury, if only ... ! hbg (btw. before we got married, my mother advised mrs h to-be to keep me on a short leash - NO GAMBLING ! - and pointed out possibly inherited shortcomings - seems to have worked, so far.)
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