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Why does my husband need to hide his porn??

 
 
Reply Wed 17 Nov, 2004 12:42 pm
Myhusband and I used to enjoy a rich and varied sex life. This included viewing and sharing internet porn. Now he hides his internet porn use by deleting cookies and history pages and has no interest in viewing porn together. Our sex life has all but died out and the only time he's really interested is when he's spent the day on voyeur pages looking at other men's wives. He keeps 'hidden' files of porn on the computer and when I ask about them he gets angry and defensive. If I ask him to view porn with me he says it doesn't interest him. I don't understand why it's all changed. I'm not a beauty queen but I think I'm fairly attractive, I work out regularly and try to keep myself fit and sexy but I find that his attitude is starting to hurt my self esteem. I also find myself becoming suspicious and jealous and I dislike those two emotions in myself. Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions as to what I can do or what is going on?
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 17 Nov, 2004 01:34 pm
do you have kids? Often I've heard that men tend to have the Madonna complex once their wives have kids. ---the operation of unconscious dynamics when men view their idealized woman as a non-sexual, sacred love object--

"Some husbands, after their child
is born, come to regard their wives
more as mothers than as wives and lovers. "
~~ Dr. Arthur Janov in The Biology of Love

Perhaps if you have children, this has happened and now porn is dirty and not suited for you, thus hiding it from you will keep his shame at bay.
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Idaho
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 08:09 am
Perhaps porn has changed for him, and is no longer an addition to your sex life together, but an addiction that he feels guilty about. Have you discussed councellling? If he's sneaking and lying to you, there's a problem that needs to be addressed before it gets worse.
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daphnejane
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 08:59 am
I don't think it's a madonna complex as our children are 8 and 12. I do believe though that is is an addiction I just don't understand why it has become so when before it was just a pleasurable pastime.
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Idaho
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 10:41 am
I'll probably get flamed for this, but . . .

Like any addiction, porn has the capability to physically change your brain and "hardwire" the things that turn you on, more so in men (who are inherently more visually stimulated) and in children. Repeated stimulation via pornography CAN (notice I didn't say, "Will") lead to inability to achieve sexual pleasure without it, making the porn more necessary for sexual gratification than the sex act. Some people can dabble in porn and be relatively unaffected; others run the risk of developing a serious and potentially dangerous addiction.

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Mark Kastleman, author of The Drug of the New Millennium, said, "There are a growing number of therapists and psychologists who are saying that this is as addictive as cocaine," or alcohol, or even heroin.

Kastleman has been researching and writing about porn addictions for six years, as well as training pastors and counselors on how to deal with it.

He explained that, when people view porn, "It causes the brain to release what we call endogenous drugs or endogenous chemicals. 'Endogenous' meaning 'produced from within.' So where cocaine or alcohol seek to mimic the brain's natural chemicals, pornography releases the real deal. And so we have things like adrenaline, epinephrine, ACTH."

Therapist Dan Gray has counseled 700 to 800 porn addicts. Compared to alcoholics or drug addicts, "Some will have a more difficult time getting off the sexual addictions," Gray said.

Leading sex addiction therapist Patrick Carnes, author of Facing the Shadow and Don't Call It Love, said, "Now that we understand how the brain functions, and as we are able to get pictures of the brain functioning, we're starting to understand that all addiction is a hijacking of the brain."


Unfortunately, like any addiction, you can really do much unless he wants to change. I may be helpful to seek councelling for yourself and try to pursuade him to go. Google porn addiction - there are lots of helful sites that may be of some benefit to you. The only certainty is that ignoring the problem will not make it go away.

There are numerous places to go for help. Online, there are organizations centered around helping those with porn addictions and their families. There are accountability 'buddies', churches, councelors, etc.
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Eva
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 10:43 am
I disagree. I don't think it's an addiction. I think it's a compulsion.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 10:56 am
I think it's like chocolate. I really like it and I am lactose intolerant. I know it is bad for me (and those around me) but I eat it anyway. Cuz I really like it. And I might be dead tomorrow so....why not?

Chocolate is not an addiction, but like Eva said, a compusion. One that I don't feel I should curb. I would bet that most people could stop watching porn if they really wanted to but they don't want to. It's their chocolate.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 10:58 am
Just a question Idaho (not a flame :wink: ):

If viewing porn lets off bad endogenous chemicals, then why doesn't looking at your partner masturbating or watching you and your partner having sex in a mirror do the same? Would you catagorize watching yourself having sex with your spouse porn? Just curious. I don't buy this guys theory.
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Eva
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 11:04 am
"Addiction" implies ingesting a substance that creates a chemical need. "Compulsion" refers to a behavior that is difficult to control, i.e. lying, overspending, etc.

Actually, Kristie, chocolate could be termed addictive. It has chemical components that affect the brain in such a way that the brain wants more.
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Idaho
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 11:12 am
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If viewing porn lets off bad endogenous chemicals, then why doesn't looking at your partner masturbating or watching you and your partner having sex in a mirror do the same?


I does - chemicals are release during and after sex. The problem lies in the fact the porn is available more often than sex and can be used without a partner.

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Would you catagorize watching yourself having sex with your spouse porn?


Not in the classic sense. However, if you mean watching a tape of yourself having sex instead of having sex, often, then it's still a problem, don't you think?

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Chocolate is not an addiction, but like Eva said, a compusion. One that I don't feel I should curb. I would bet that most people could stop watching porn if they really wanted to but they don't want to. It's their chocolate.


True. And most people can stop drinking alcohol if they want to as well, except alcoholics have a really difficult time with quitting. Same thing here. A compulsion that you can't control IS and addiction.

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Essentially, addiction designates a process whereby a behavior, that can function both to produce pleasure and to provide escape from internal discomfort, is employed in a pattern characterized by (1) recurrent failure to control the behaviour (powerlessness) and (2) continuation of the behaviour despite significant negative consequences (unmanageability).
Minnesota Institute of Psychiatry
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 11:17 am
Eva wrote:
"Addiction" implies ingesting a substance that creates a chemical need. "Compulsion" refers to a behavior that is difficult to control, i.e. lying, overspending, etc.

Actually, Kristie, chocolate could be termed addictive. It has chemical components that affect the brain in such a way that the brain wants more.


true, however you don't hear of people freaking out and selling their tv to get more chocolate. If you think of it in the way that an addition is a compusion you can't control, then anything can be an addiction.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 11:26 am
Gambling is also officially recognized as an addiction now.
It's not so much the chemicals that are ingested, but the chemicals that are created in response to a stimulus.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 11:27 am
i have a shopping addiction then.

oh and a chocolate addition.

and a sex addition.

:wink:

I just can't stop buying
or eating
or doing it

:wink:
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Eva
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 11:47 am
I don't care how it's "classified." I dislike the current trend of labeling everything an "addiction." It makes people believe their behavior is beyond their control.

True addictions must be treated chemically or by medically supervised "detox." Compulsive behavior must be treated by behavior therapy.

Now, I have no doubt that there are specific problems that must be treated both ways. I just think that labeling everything an "addiction" is oversimplification, and it isn't truly helpful.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 11:52 am
I was just being silly Sad

i think people need to be more accountable for their actions. That's the problem in this country. Apathetic, unaccountable people.
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Idaho
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 11:59 am
Agreed. Everything we call addiction starts with a choice.
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Eva
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 12:01 pm
And ends with one, too, Idaho.
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Idaho
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 12:20 pm
Agreed. I don't use the term addiction to try to absolve anyone of the bad choices they have made, merely to describe a chemical change.
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