0
   

"Courts are not equipped to execute the law."

 
 
dlowan
 
  1  
Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2004 10:27 pm
Wow, Merry. What is the UU Church?

I was most struck by this:

"But it should be familiar to students of religion as well,
for much of it mirrors the social and political agenda of religious
fundamentalisms worldwide. It is both accurate and helpful for us to
understand fundamentalism as religious fascism, and fascism as
political fundamentalism. They both come from very primitive parts of
us that have always been the default setting of our species: amity
toward our in-group, enmity toward out-groups, hierarchical deference
to alpha male figures, a powerful identification with our territory,
and so forth. It is that brutal default setting that all civilizations
have tried to raise us above, but it is always a fragile thing,
civilization, and has to be achieved over and over and over again. "

I agree that there is something deep and atavistic in us that somehow welcomes this stuff - that resonates deeply to vilification of the latest hated outgroup - yesterday's comunists - today's Muslims - always gays and women and often Jews - and often unions and political questioners.

This is why I so deeply distrust patriotism - and I do think there is something dark afoot in America (and, to a lesser extent, but still definitely, in Oz and always in Britain - look at Thatcherism)

The perfect storm analogy is interesting - and makes sense of the extraordinary weirdness and bitterness tha Clinton's pecadilloes aroused.

The Project for the New American Century is frankly terrifying - (as is the rise in power of christian fundamentalism - it is blackly humourous that right wing Americans can so easily see the dangers of theocracy when it is Islamic - but seem often blind to the problems of the same in the US!!!) I am reading bits of it - and it seems to me that it is, indeed, a sort of modern American Mein Kampf - I am stunned that it has not aroused more clamour amongst Americans - I think - without necessarily reading it - that non-Americans are very aware of what is happening - hence almost universal dislike of Bush and Bushism.

Most of the world sees Liberalism, I think, as far too weak and individually focussed to seriously combat the neo-conservatives - which is why the vilification of American liberals as socialist is so hilarious. Hopefully, this period in the political wilderness (but how quickly we forget the right's wailing and gnashing of teeth when Clinton won a second term - these things pass!!!) will allow them to marshall a serious ideological challenge to the neo-cons.

Our own Labor party is in a similar dither - having ditched a strong, if out-dated, ideology to gain power - and now struggling to find itself a real counter-vision to the currently dominant almost missionary zeal of neo-conservatism.

I hope all of our institutions and populace are strong enough to resist this move t othe far right.

At least in Oz, we seem to be blessed with the absence of the pumped-up uber-patriotism and the cries of traitor and so on to those who dare oppose.

Sadly, I think we will be facing the same atacks on abortion and workers' rights - since our conservatives have won - hopefully briefly - control of our upper house - and the blood is going to their heads.
0 Replies
 
Diane
 
  1  
Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2004 10:54 pm
Merry Andrew, wonderful sermon and incredibly brave of the Texas preacher.

Bob and I were just arguing about how to return to a more representative democracy and, arguing with me, he says that realism isn't going to work because most people are too safe in the comfort of their religious beliefs and patriotic fervor--( a very condensed version of our arguement) to be swayed by the facts. In many ways, I have to agree, but still think we need to show as clearly as possible that the most poor among us are the very ones who continue to vote according to their preacher's reccomendations rather than for their own benefit. I'm rambling again which it why I seldom post on political threads. Anyway, this sermon is one that I plan to copy and send to my sons and friends.

Timber, that beer sounds too strong for me. Fat Tire is about as strong as I can drink. My favorites are Mexican beers. One of these days we'll have to get together to just drink and visit and forget politics. In the meantime, I'll enjoy your company at the latest toga party, you centurion, you. :wink:
0 Replies
 
Merry Andrew
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 06:34 am
dlowan -- UU is short for Unitarian-Universalist, a very liberal mid-19th Century offshoot of conservative Congregationalism. They are nominally Christian but their doctrine is really more on the order of Ethical Culture.
0 Replies
 
Piffka
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 07:33 am
Good sermon, Merry. Diane mentioned you'd posted this, so I came looking. I have twice alluded to that Britt article and also to the Umberto Eco essay which preceded it, without anyone hearing me or responding except to pooh-pooh these very real fears and tell me that "my views weren't sound."

Umberto Eco -- Fourteen Ways to Look at a Blackshirt

I see this shift as a huge threat... probably one that, given the political climate, we can no longer circumvent.

Here's the UU sermon which made the rounds of the Women in Black this week.

Quote:
I admit it: I am not a good loser. Like many of you, I was bummed out at the results of the election. Alas, it is a feeling I know all too well. Like anyone who has been engaged in politics over several decades, I have experienced plenty of grim Wednesday mornings in early November. I remember as a young man the frustration and anger I felt when Richard Nixon was re-elected during the Vietnam War.
Mostly, I have learned to sulk for a day or two and then get over it and move on. Sometimes the results are especially painful. Sometimes the loss feels like more than simply being in the minority on a public policy issue. Once in a while the loss feels personal.

I had such an intense feeling a decade ago when my community in Oregon passed a mean spirited and clearly unconstitutional anti-gay measure. The measure itself was ridiculous. It was a city charter amendment that would prevent our little city from giving "special rights" to gays. "Like what?" I asked in my editorial. A special right like a longer grace period on overdue library books? Cheaper water rates if you can prove you are gay? As publisher of the local paper I had been a leading advocate of the opposition, but we were crushed at the polls. That campaign was shockingly bitter and divisive - and it is hard to shock a veteran newspaper publisher. That initiative was one of many in Oregon sponsored by the religious right.

What made this week's election particularly frightening, and something more painful than just coming out on the short end of the tally, was the fact that the religious right appears to have swung the election. Millions of people were motivated to turn out and vote for initiatives to ban gay marriage and civil union. This probably was decisive in the presidential election. Religion, fundamentalist, reactionary, anti-intellectual religion, played a critical role. And because of that we can expect that the religious right will play a critical role in the coming years in all kinds of government decisions. Fundamentalist religious leaders are exultant today, with good reason.

What we are seeing in America is a dangerous mixture of extreme nationalism, militarism and reactionary religion. These three, nationalism, militarism and conservative religion are the essential elements of fascism. What we are seeing is a disturbing rise of an American neo-fascism, and reactionary religion is the cornerstone. We see it in the willingness to scapegoat elements of the population like gays and lesbians (to say nothing of "liberals," and recent immigrants) and the willingness to sacrifice individual rights to protect us from the infidel enemy. All of this is propelled by fear and ignorance, fear and ignorance that are manipulated by cynics and ideologues.

What we are witnessing is not the classic divide between liberal and conservative politics. Sadly, classic conservatives are being marginalized and silenced. Classic conservatism is an important voice that we need to hear in political debate. Classic conservatives like Republicans from a generation ago in the northeastern states or like Oregon senators Mark Hatfield, Bob Packwood and Wayne Morse, brought an important perspective to public policy debate. They counseled fiscal accountability, they cautioned against the dangers of large government, they brought a healthy skepticism to the optimistic claims of new social program initiatives. They warned about the dehumanizing effects of dependency on government. Classic conservatives brought a principled distrust of concentration of power. They respected traditional institutions and were guardians of traditional arrangements like the separation of church and state and civil liberties.

We are not witnessing a victory for a conservative philosophy of government. We are witnessing, I fear, a radical and reactionary neo fascism that has religious fanaticism at its core. It is deeply, deeply troubling. As I look at the news, as I look at human history, I cannot help but see that religion has been at the center of so much that is evil. Each day we see religious zealots feeling perfectly justified in killing others simply for being part of a different religious or ethnic group.

Our reading from the Bible this morning is one of many grisly accounts of the name of God being used to justify wanton killing. The slaughter thousands of women and children is somehow all right because God told them they could do it. Or, more accurately, the leader purporting to speak for God told them it was all right.

During the conquest of Peru by the Spanish, a Spanish friar was sent to the Inca ruler at Cajamarca in the Andes. The friar handed the Inca emperor, Atahuallpa, a copy of the Bible and told him to submit to Christianity and the Catholic church (as if Atahuallpa could read Latin). For that matter, probably none of the Spaniards except perhaps the priest could read it. When Atahuallpa refused, the Spaniards began their bloody attack. They had religious sanction to kill tens of thousands of Incas in the name of God. Religion let them feel self righteous about looting the Inca treasure.

Examples abound. Religion truly has a dirty past, and it has a dirty present. What is it about religion that allows it to become a tool for hatred, violence, fear and oppression?

Religious history presents us with mind boggling contrasts. So much human liberation has come about because women and men of faith sacrificed to make their vision of God's love a reality. Consider Ghandi. His motivation was deeply religious. Think of Martin Luther King, Jr., who not only was minister but who also used the church as an institution to further human rights. The movement to end slavery in this country was initiated and sustained by religious people. So was the movement to bring the vote and civil rights to women. Many of these religious champions of justice were Unitarians and Universalists. During slavery and during the struggle for the vote for women reactionary religious leaders justified slavery and the oppression of women as God's will.

Religion is linked with what is best and with what is worst in humanity. How can this be?

It goes back, I believe, to the very origins of religion. Cultural anthropologists tell us that people living in small bands as hunters and gathers, the way most humans have lived throughout history, had nothing we would call a religion. Oh, they had beliefs about the supernatural, but these beliefs had nothing to do with how people treated each other. There were no separate priestly roles.

As societies grew beyond small bands and tribes and into chiefdoms, religion as we would recognize it was born. Religion did a number of things. It combined the beliefs about the supernatural into a system of belief that justified the existence of a hereditary ruling class. Think of the divine right of kings. Think of all the people in America today who believe God chooses our leaders. Religion at its very origin is a system of belief that serves to legitimize unequal power and unequal wealth.

This is religion's original sin. Religion was born as a way to cloak the ruling elite with the aura of supernatural approval. Justifying oppression and inequality is in religion's DNA.

However, religion performed another critical function in early societies. As societies grew beyond small bands where everyone was related by blood or marriage, religion gave people a kind of common extended family. Religion served to unify people. Religion drew a larger circle than the family. It is in this extending of the circle beyond the family that we see the seed of religion as a source of caring for others and a source of ethical standards (Thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, etc).

Alas, the circle of inclusion religion created typically embraced members of the small society and excluded others. Those outside the circle were considered enemies, infidels worshipping false gods, people who deserved to be killed and plundered. Our violent reading this morning reveals this stage of development: people with a tribal god that excludes those outside the tribe.

Only very recently in human history, with the rise of the prophetic tradition of the Hebrews, with the Buddha in the east, with the ministry of Jesus, that religion began, at least for some, to mean the inclusion of everyone. Our first principle as Unitarian Universalists is to affirm the worth and dignity of every person. This idea was unthinkable for most of human history.

At its finest, religion is an expression of humanity's realization that we are all part of the same creation, that at some level we are all family. The seed of this conviction began as beliefs moved from simply explaining the natural and supernatural world and religion began to deal with how we should treat each other. The circle gradually grew inclusive. It went beyond band or clan. Eventually it came to mean those of my tribe and my country. At long last some visionaries came to sense we are all connected, every one of us. At the highest levels, there is the sense that we are connected to all of creation, including the nonhuman and including all eternity. So religion, like you and me, can be descend into unspeakable violence or it can ascend to mystical union with all creation.

Religion has a dirty past, and that past is always present. The reactionary impulse to find a scapegoat, to demonize the stranger, to seek divine legitimation for a ruler, to see those outside our religious group as dangerous infidels is, in a sense, a return to religion's most primitive impulses.

Our task, as people who seek to be faithful to that vision of a wider circle that includes all beings, is to work to make our larger, gentler and more compassionate vision prevail. It won't happen easily. It won't happen right away. But it can and it must happen. And it can only happen if you and I dedicate ourselves to making it a reality.

How can we help create a new reality? How do we help overcome religion's dirty past and dirty present? There are many ways. Here are a few.

First, we come together as we have this morning to reaffirm that vision. This is what it means to worship together: it means to reaffirm the worth of compassion and understanding. We remind ourselves of that larger vision contained in all traditions and we rededicate ourselves to being disciples of that vision. We cultivate, in any number of ways, practices that keep us connected to that sense of connection and love. From this we draw strength, comfort, and resolve.

Second, I believe we continue to work at being what we want to see. We work to make this a community where the circle is wide and attempts to draw everyone in. We make ours a community of passionate devotion to life lived in pursuit of that larger vision of compassion and connection. We create the future every day in the way we treat each other and in the way we treat strangers.

Finally, and this is absolutely essential, we must take our larger vision into the world. This is not easy. The world is hostile, broken, afraid, ignorant, angry and hurt.

We have done much to take our vision into the world, but we must do much more. We religious liberals have been naïve about how hard this is going to be. I think we need to engage others in new ways. I know many of you will disagree with me, but I believe we need to less "nice" and less polite in public debate. Orthodox Christians are taught to love the sinner but hate the sin. It is a good lesson. We need to respect other people, but some points of view that others are thrusting into the public arena merit no respect whatsoever. They need to be exposed for the mindless and dangerous nonsense that they are.
For example, the position that creationism deserves to be taught alongside evolutionary biology because both are equally "scientific" does not merit thoughtful debate. It is a plain tactic to shove a particular religious myth down children's throats. The same is true for shoving a prayer and the ten commandments and the rest down others' throats. We need expose it, and we need to be loud, persistent, stubborn and incorrigible.

We need to expose the narrow "moral values" of fundamentalism for the unbiblical bigotry that it is. Too much is at stake for us to be politely silent.

We have done much to join hands with other religious groups. But we need to do even more. And let me say that the majority of people who call themselves Christians in this nation are not reactionary neo fascists. They are kind and charitable people. They are our natural allies. We need to do even more to join hands with them. We share a common vision; we must make common cause.

On a personal note, I realize that I must devote more of my time as your minister to these efforts. I have been thinking a lot about this lately. It will mean a little less time for working on ministry among our members, but I need to do more to carry our message into the community. We all do.

Religion can be either a force for great good in our world or a force for unspeakable harm. Religion can teach compassion and help put it into practice, or it can teach fear and hatred. Religion has a dirty past. In a very real sense, religion was born in sin. And much of religion's present is none too clean. That past need not control the future. Religion has another side. Religion can help us all experience a profound and enduring connection to all humanity and to the source of life and love.

The future can be one of fear, ignorance and violence in which religion serves to sanction hatred and killing. Or the future can bend, slowly, steadily, relentlessly toward peace, understanding, compassion and healing. This can only happen if you and I and millions of people who share our vision rededicate ourselves toward widening the circle of inclusion and rededicate ourselves to joining our hands to work for that new world waiting to be born.

Let us not lose heart. Together we can do this. We absolutely must do this. Let the sulking end and the hard work begin. Let us join our hands and our hearts as we begin again today.P

Amen
0 Replies
 
Merry Andrew
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 08:51 am
A fine addendum to this discussion, Piffka. Thanks for sharing it.
0 Replies
 
JustWonders
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 09:45 am
Quote:
It is a plain tactic to shove a particular religious myth down children's throats. The same is true for shoving a prayer and the ten commandments and the rest down others' throats. We need expose it, and we need to be loud, persistent, stubborn and incorrigible.


This whole thread has me laughing, but the above in particular is among the funniest.

The only thing more amusing to me in recent days is something Asherman said on another thread...(pssst -- he gets it).

Asherman said:
Quote:
We should earnestly hope that the Democrats get their act together. If they continue along the path they've chosen it may be necessary to send some of our folks over there just to ensure a viable two-party system. LOL


Fascism, indeed.

<Carry on...but, be afraid...be very, very afraid> Laughing
0 Replies
 
dyslexia
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 09:52 am
Justwonders, the problem is, we are afraid. Fear, as we have seen in this last election is a major motivator. Be careful what you wish for.
0 Replies
 
timberlandko
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 09:54 am
Lemme see if I've got this straight here .... preachers pontificating politically from the pulpit is prohibited unless the preacher pontificates "Progressive" pap ... is that about it? Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Carry on.
0 Replies
 
JustWonders
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 09:55 am
Dys...I know. How many times in the days leading up to the election did I read on this site that a vote for Bush was a vote made out of "fear".

To see the Dems quaking in their boots is...well, somewhat amusing LOL.

I'm not afraid and I've already gotten what I wished for Smile
0 Replies
 
JustWonders
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 09:57 am
Gotta love the "diplomat" in Timber Smile Not one mention of the word........"hypocrite". Smile
0 Replies
 
dyslexia
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 10:05 am
DENVER -- At first glance, the reelection campaign of Rep. Scott McInnis (R-Colo.) looks downright frugal. In an age of million-dollar-plus House races, McInnis reported expenses of less than $150,000 in the year leading up to last week's election.
Of course, the McInnis campaign should have been cheap, since there was no campaign -- he announced in the summer of 2003 that he would not seek another term. But his campaign committee has since reported expenditures of thousands of dollars each month -- and much of the spending has accrued to the benefit of his wife, Lori.
Rep. Scott McInnis (R-Colo.) paid his wife to serve as his campaign manager.
The campaign without a candidate has paid Lori McInnis more than $40,000, plus a benefit plan of $1,150 per month, to serve as campaign manager. The campaign pays for the car and the cell phone she uses. It also has spent tens of thousands of dollars on restaurant, hotel and travel bills since McInnis ended his candidacy.
Federal law and House rules say campaign funds cannot be converted to the personal use of candidates or family members. Contributions left over after a candidate withdraws can legally be used for necessary expenses of shutting down a campaign, for official duties of the candidate or for contributions to charity or other political entities. It is legal for congressional campaigns to hire relatives of the candidate.

"It's legal to hire family members, and some people do it," noted Fred Wertheimer of the campaign watchdog group Democracy 21. "But it gets a little hard to explain why you're paying a family member to work on a campaign when there's no campaign.

"At best, this is an effort to skim the system," Wertheimer said. "At worst, it raises potentially serious legal questions."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38003-2004Nov9.html
0 Replies
 
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 10:06 am
The slippery slope to fascism , even nazi-ism, is often rife with humor - the black kind. Eventually the abberation swallows even practitioners.
0 Replies
 
Piffka
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 10:21 am
What I find interesting is that the fundamental Right, is doing the same thing, speaking of hypocrites, than the fundamental Islamists are.

They both believe they have God's authority to dictate and impose their will on others and they do it gladly.
0 Replies
 
JustWonders
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 10:22 am
I'm curious to the identity of the "brave Texas preacher". Anyone know his name?
0 Replies
 
dyslexia
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 10:23 am
perhaps Pifka, we should all stand aside and let them gods duke it out.
0 Replies
 
JustWonders
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 10:30 am
<< Read what Piffka said.

Laughs harder Smile
0 Replies
 
Piffka
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 10:34 am
Dys -- I've begun to pray that somebody comes down and smites whoever needs it, but otherwise, I am on the sidelines.

Just Wonders -- If we gave you the name, you'd give it the Committee on Un-American Activities. Just keep giggling, it suits your persona so well.
0 Replies
 
JustWonders
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 10:40 am
Piffka - when someone compares the Islamo Fascist murderers to the religious in this country...well, it's laughable Smile

Of course, that's merely my opinion.

<Didn't expect anyone to actually know who that one-sermon wonder was>
0 Replies
 
Piffka
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 11:01 am
And when someone doesn't see where their country is headed, that's just sad.

I wasn't kidding, I wouldn't tell you the name of anyone.
0 Replies
 
JustWonders
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 11:30 am
Davidson Loehr :wink:
0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

Obama '08? - Discussion by sozobe
Let's get rid of the Electoral College - Discussion by Robert Gentel
McCain's VP: - Discussion by Cycloptichorn
Food Stamp Turkeys - Discussion by H2O MAN
The 2008 Democrat Convention - Discussion by Lash
McCain is blowing his election chances. - Discussion by McGentrix
Snowdon is a dummy - Discussion by cicerone imposter
TEA PARTY TO AMERICA: NOW WHAT?! - Discussion by farmerman
 
Copyright © 2024 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.03 seconds on 04/23/2024 at 10:08:55