Michael Jackson Interview?

i think he is a very sick, wierd man... WHO WOULD PUT THERE BABY ON THE SIDE OF A BUILDING??¿¿ Sicko

Anyone know about finding the MJ trial transcripts?

Stinger<

Having just recovered from a Valium overdose, I want to tell you that last night I watched NBC's Dateline: Michael Jackson Unmasked.

I came away from the program with two impressions:

1. Michael Jackson, for all his fame and riches, has had his face butchered so many times, it is impossible to repair the damage. This fact was very sad.

The shots of his face were repeated so many times, I almost became nauseated looking at them.


2. It seemed to me that the program was a plea to California authorities to have another look at the goings on at Jackson's "Neverland." Here was a warning to all parents to keep their male children away from Jackson.

Whatever my impressions, the ultimate judge of Jackson's behavior is the court of public opinion. As www.nytimes.com observed yesterday, perhaps the fact that Jackson has been caught up in TV's February ratings "sweeps" is a public diversion from thoughts of the impending war.

It might prove a costly folly for the future of Michael Jackson. Had such a program been broadcast about me, I would be ashamed, but I would not rebut the charges.

Silence is sometimes louder than noise.

Sure hope you're feeling better, wh3.MSN

Williamhenry

I've said it before, and I will say it again....

Innocent until proven guilty.

An opinion, is not evidence.

If you think that trial by television is a safe, fair, unbiased concept, that's great. Good for you!

But hopefully if you are ever falsely accused of a serious crime, like child abuse, or something really serious, such as not having the correct physical appearance (SHOCK HORROR!!!), you will have the luxuary of a trial in a courtroom, in which both sides can present their evidence, in a calm and rational fashion. Rather than the modern concept of justice, which is for a prosecution by our moral guardians in the media, who make up their own TV fantasy court laws, select all the evidence, and present it in whatever way they feel it's appropriate - edited according to their own agenda on the issue of course.

Although you may not think so, it might also be a good idea to ensure that your jury has at least one individualistic member, who is willing to defend your rights, rather than simply be led along with the rest of the sheep. Someone who is old fashioned, and demands evidence, rather than rely on journalistic opinions or hearsay. Someone who keeps an open mind, rather than be influenced by the always reliable, court of public opinion.

Or alternatively we could save a lot of hassle, and have a Media Inquisition. Thumbscrews and racks on primetime. Perhaps Saturday night stake burning. Or how about Wednesday witch-hunts from Salem.

Followed of course, by an episode of Friends.

"Give light and the people will find their own way."

-- from a slogan once featured by the Scripps-Howard newspaper chain

A beacon in the fog.


http://www.prwatch.org/

http://www.spinsanity.com/

http://www.propagandacritic.com/articles/

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media_control_propaganda/Media_Control.html

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/MediaCensorship.html

http://www.adbusters.org/oldwebsite/Articles/bernay.html

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Media/Binion100201/binion100201.html

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Media/Stanton-Madsen043002/stanton-madsen043002.html

http://www.eff.org/br/

http://www.ustrek.org/odyssey/semester2/042101/042101stepheninvade.html

"First, they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me."
- Pastor Martin Niemoller, who was arrested by the Nazis in 1937

"I came to America because of the great, great freedom which I heard existed in this country. I made a mistake in selecting America as a land of freedom, a mistake I cannot repair in the balance of my lifetime."
- Albert Einstein

Stinger<

You are as transfixed by purported propaganda and media distortion as Michael Jackson is to money and boys.

Both of you have process addictions, Jackson's being more dangerous to others than yours but just as harmful to the psyche.

Too bad.

williamhenry

They say that ignorance is bliss. So you must be in perpetual ecstasy!

Interesting come back, by the way. I'm dazzled by your profundity on the issue of propaganda in the media. Although the hours that you must have spent, toiling over your keyboard, conjuring up that last piece of insight and wit, could have been better devoted to expanding your knowledge on the subject in question. Alas, you appear to be proud of your ignorance, and wear it like a badge of honour. Now that really is, "too bad"!

For someone who claims to seek out information from a variety of news sources, I would have thought that you would at least be mildly curious about the dysfunctional aspects of the media, or the art of media manipulation. You possibly believe that the news media can be trusted. That bias or manipulation does not exist or occur. Maybe it's just a figment of my vivid imagination. Another conspiracy theory to be ridiculed by someone like you.

Maybe you think you are too intelligent to be duped? Too knowledgeable on various issues to be fooled? That with a little care, and the use of different sources of information, you can outsmart any form of psychological manipulation, propaganda, public relations, hidden agendas, psywar, infowar etc etc etc.

Of course you can williamhenry, because with your level of common sense, you're one in a million. An exception to the rule.

Or alternatively, perhaps you're just a blissfully happy sheep.

This is just one small example, that may help explain the ease in which information...or disinformation, can be disseminated, not just nationally but globaly.

http://www.mediachannel.org/ownership/chart.shtml

Get over it, Stinger.

You are too blind-sided to see my point, so any future dialog with you about the media is useless.

Again, you are obsessed with this topic, and that is very sad.

Perhaps williamhenry, the problem is that you don't have much of a point!

Calling me 'obsessed', or saying that I'm 'transfixed', is actually a propaganda technique. That's just a bit ironic, coming from you!

You are using negative terms to describe me, in order to try and belittle what I've said. Attacking me, is a lot easier than having to attack what I've actually said. That's an old tactic often used in the open and honest, propaganda-free world of politics. The fact that you are using it against me, is an indication that you feel unable to attack what I've said, so you are avoiding my comments, and picking on me instead. Which is a little sad, don't you think?

It's probably easier to simply ignore me, or to ridicule me, rather than having to open your mind to the possibility that your beliefs or opinions on certain subjects, are not built on strong factual foundations. Having to admit to yourself, the possibility that you have been manipulated, duped or conned, is a hard thing to do. That's why it's easy to scam people.They tend to live in denial about their own gullibility. The smarter they think they are, the safer they feel, intellectually speaking. They think that their impressive intellectual abilities act like a radar, and can detect every lie and distortion. They are of course over-estimating their own abilities. Lambs to the slaughter.

Perhaps over time you have internalized the 'opinions' of the media, and now you think their opinions, are actually your own. Over time, you have become a receptive audience. Willing to believe what they tell you or show you. People believe what they want to believe.

It can happen in time of war, or even with the really important news stories, such as showbiz gossip. For example, in recent years you have heard all the alleged 'facts' about Michael Jackson, and formed an opinion, then Martin Bashir presents his edited version of reality, that conveniently fits in with your perceptions and prejudices on the issue. Your opinions are not confronted with contradictory views, they are simply reinforced. Well what do you know, you were right all along!

You may think that in documentary making, the journalist or team responsible for the production / presentation, have a license to broadcast their subjective opinions on an issue, no matter how serious, and then it's over to the audience to make up it's own mind on what they have seen and heard. If that's what you really believe, you are either incorrigibly optimistic about the abilities of the viewing masses (Including yourself), or naive in the extreme.

When the 'subjective opinions', are marking out a person as a possible child abuser, I would prefer if the opinions were supported by silly little things called facts. Since Bashir's opinions on Michael Jackson changed during the editing process, it makes his documentary even more irresponsible, not to mention the question mark over his integrity and credibility.

You might think that I'm 'obsessive' about propaganda, but I would call it an awareness of the fallibility of the media, or to be less charitable, I'm aware of how it can be used and abused, and how the audience can be manipulated or fooled. Maybe it was actually you that was 'blind' to the point being made!

Since you are a supporter of those purveyors of all things factual, AKA the news media, maybe you should cast your mind back to the last war with Iraq. Do you remember the news story about Iraqi soldiers murdering babies in Kuwaiti hospitals? Not surprisingly, there was widespread revulsion at this revelation. The story was reported in numerous countries, and it was seen as evidence of the brutality and evilness of the Iraqis.

One small problem. It was a wonderful piece of propaganda, and it was beamed directly into your home via the TV and radio, and served up to you as hard news on the front page of your newspapers.

It was eventually discovered to be untrue, but by then it had already served it's purpose.
The claims of Kuwaiti citizens that had previously seemed so plausible, and reported verbatim by the media, the allegations that so revolted and angered intelligent ladies and gentlemen around the world, were exposed as lies, designed to manipulate the emotions of Joe Public.

Why did it work? The source for the information appeared to be credible, and the story fitted preconceived ideas about 'evil' Iraqi soldiers. Some people really wanted to believe what they were being told. It also provoked an emotional response, which good propaganda tends to do. Emotions often over-ride logic. It was all part of the conditioning process for war. The manipulation of public opinion. Edward Bernays would have been so proud.

Evil Iraqis killing babies in their incubators. Wacko Jacko the child abuser. What is fact and what is fiction. Believe what you want to believe.

If it was on TV, it must be true! You saw it with your own eyes, or did you? What did you ACTUALLY see? What do you THINK you saw? It's not necessarily the same thing, although obviously you may think otherwise. Since you are too smart to be fooled or manipulated.


Sorry williamhenry for not being more concise. I know you have an aversion to long posts. Don't worry, I'm not expecting a response. There isn't any need for one. The large cloud of dust created by your departure from this thread, speaks for you....and that is so very very sad.

Stinger<

Your response is just another indication of my point: you are obsessed with this media topic and are powerless over it.

I knew my remarks would draw a negative re-hashing of what you've already said here many times.

You are, of course, entitled to your views, and I do wish you well.

MJ has not been convicted of any crimes and should not be judged by the picture the media likes to paint of him. No wonder he doesn't like to do interviews. So the guy is not like the average person, but that doesn't make him a bad person and I don't think he deserves what a lot of closed minded people are dishing out to him. MJ contributes lots of his time and money to help sick and less fortunate children which is more than I can say for most people, so I truly wish for his sake that people would just leave him alone. Jeeez!!! The poor guy just can't win for trying!!!

Williamhenry

As I said before, you don't really have a point.

Apart from the fact that you are willing to repeatedly condemn an individual, by calling him a child abuser, even though you possess no evidence, except for what you have seen on TV or read in a newspaper. If anyone is 'obsessed' about something, it seems to be you williamhenry. Obsessed to the point that you are willing to believe that someone you don't really know, is abusing kids, even though you have no evidence to support your comments.

So in other words you are reliant on the media for the information that you base your OPINIONS on. As I have made pretty clear, although perhaps you are too 'obsessed' with Michael Jackson's alleged crimes to see MY point, it is a high risk enterprise, believing everything you see on TV or read in newspapers, since the media is far from being infallible or completely dependable.

The documentary on Michael Jackson, did not contain any 'evidence', that would lead to a conviction in court, yet you and the rest of the experts on the TV jury, have voted to convict, on questionable journalistic practices, and non-existant evidence.

Williamhenry, you mistake my 'obsession', with 'experience' and 'knowledge'. Whereas you are blissfully happy to float through life, feeling that you are being fully informed by the media, I have a somewhat different perspective on the media. Having been born and lived in a conflict situtaion, in which propaganda is a weapon, I have seen first hand, the strengths and limitations of the news media, both local and international. I am under no illusions about what it can do.......and can't do. Either in times of peace or war. I also know how easy it is to manipulate people, up to the point of killing fellow human beings. Shaping opinions on less serious matters, isn't that much of a challenge, under the right circumstances.

You claim to make the effort to study the news, perhaps even from different sources. You then form opinions based on the information you have received from the news media. These opinions, are the basis for many decisions that you make in life, or they shape your perspectives on the world around you. From your views on a pop star's alleged sex crimes, to your views on war in Iraq.....or whatever!

While it is quite obvious williamhenry, you belive that you are well informed by the media, (To the point that you feel confident enough to accuse someone of child abuse!), the sad truth is that you are not as well informed as you think you are. That's my point, even though you choose not to believe it, since accepting MY point, would undermine every opinion you have ever formed, after watching the TV or reading a paper.

It's not my 'obsession' williamhenry, just wisdom, which as I said before is knowledge and experience. Maybe someday, you will acquire a little wisdom on the subject as well.



They have eyes, but they can not see.

Stinger<

Perhaps a brief outline of your "wisdom" and "experience" might be helpful at this point. I would like to know how you have become so obsessed by this topic.

Please reveal what has led to your obsession, please.

Any arrows you throw my way are indeed twisted by your perverse abhorence of the media with which you disagree (which seems to be all media). Perhaps you are a neo-Nazi, for all I know. If people such as you were the only ones who control the media, I definitely would be nervous.

If Jackson would just sit down and be quiet, he'd be left alone. It's his insatiable desire to remain in the public eye that keeps it all going.

williamhenry

Still attacking me? Still nothing of relevance to say?

Oh dear. That's a pity. As someone once said, that's 'very sad'.

That's what we call 'avoidance'. It's a pity that your limited grasp of the subject, restricts you from actually discussing the issues, or providing any evidence that supports your 'point'. Which would be okay, but even though you have a limited knowledge of the subject, you still feel the need to belittle my knowledge.

If you disagree with anything I've said, I'm quite happy to hear your 'point', or your counter arguement. Sadly however, your 'point', is a complete lack of evidence, wrapped up in a blanket of opinions.

Williamhenry, the problem you seem to have with me, is that I have an opposing view to you, and the willingness to discredit your sources of information, upon which you base your opinions.

Rather than attacking me, your time would be better spent contemplating what I've been saying. I know you probably won't, since that would involve having to think for yourself, rather than simply soaking up the opinions of the media. If you want to wallow in your own ignorance, that's fine. If you want to call me 'obsessive', go ahead. You are simply confirming everything I've said. Your name calling and labelling just highlights the shallowness of your knowledge. Your posts, which only contain attacks on me, are your substitute for logical, rational, intellectual debate. Since you haven't much evidence to offer that supports your opinions, you attack me.

It became apparent several posts ago, that you were out off your depth. But I gave you a chance to surprise me, by actually offering something productive or positive.

So far.....nothing. What a surprise!

For information williamhenry, I don't have an 'abhorence of the media'. That's a nice generalisation by the way. You really are good at propaganda!

Unlike you williamhenry, I don't switch off my critical thinking when dealing with the media's output. That comes from knowledge and experience. You asked, how did I acquire this wisdom? Well geewhiz williamhenry, you have been so friendly, reasonable and openminded, I really must sit down and tell you my lifestory. I would be delighted to reveal to you, how I acquired knowledge of propaganda, media manipulation, infowar, psyops etc. You would be my obvious choice to reveal this information to........

......Yeah, right!! Even if I told you, you wouldn't believe me. Hey, I might just be making it all up. So it's probably best that you wait until you see me on TV. Maybe Martin Bashir will interview me. Then you can form an accurate opinion about me!

Goodnight, happy little sheep.

Williamhenry3 & Stinger- I think that both your stances on this issue is by now, very very well known to the other people who have written on this post. I would appreciate it if you would take your private grievances out of the public forum. If you care to, you can debate each other back and forth by PM to your heart's desire, but not here. Enough is enough.

If this back and forth harangue continues, I will be obliged to lock this thread, which with then spoil this discussion for everyone. Please do not force my hand to take this step. Thank you!

Yeah. Let us not disagree on something as trivial as this. We'll just sit in front of our widescreen TVs, watch an episode of Friends, enjoy the beer commercials, and wait for the cool airforce videoes of 'smart bombs' killing Iraqis. Leave the fighting to the experts. Smile everybody. Think of your happy place........Say "conform"