The anti-gay marriage movement IS homophobic

Chumly, i hate to interrupt your rant, but, personally, i would consider eating a homosexual an abomination, and i'm nowhere nearly on the same page as MOAN.

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msolga wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:
Newsflash folks! Unless you can tell me where in the Constitution of the United States it says I cannot consider my religious beliefs when I vote you are infringing on my right to vote the way I want to vote!

It is absolutely no different than you voting on a tax break law for the poor that would discriminate against the rich or vice versa.

<sigh> I think the concern is that all folk (including homosexuals) MA, have the same rights. It is not just about you & your rights!

Like duh, msolga! That's what I am trying to tell you. We all have the exact same right. So, telling me I am wrong about how I would vote is wrong.

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Newsflash folks! Unless you can tell me where in the Constitution of the United States it says I cannot consider my religious beliefs when I vote you are infringing on my right to vote the way I want to vote!

It is absolutely no different than you voting on a tax break law for the poor that would discriminate against the rich or vice versa.

I'm not talking about your rights. I'm talking about your obligation. Is it your obligation to see to it that human rights are being fulfilled? Or are you just too arrogant and egoistic?

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Setanta wrote:

Chumly, i hate to interrupt your rant, but, personally, i would consider eating a homosexual an abomination, and i'm nowhere nearly on the same page as MOAN.

Zesty and flavorful if not overcooked Smile

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No one said you cannot vote the way you wish to do. You are simply being informed that voting against homosexual marriage is voting against the basic civil rights of a significant proportion of the population based upon your religious bigotry.

No, but I am being told that the way I would vote is wrong. And, since I am protected under the Constitution of the United States to vote the way I want NO MATTER WHAT (caps for emphasis only), no one has the right to tell me differently.

I will not vote for something that I believe is wrong. Flat out period. That's just the way it is. Now, I have said if I was given the opportunity to vote I would abstain. That doesn't seem to be enough for some of you.

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Chumly Wrote:

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I'm not talking about your rights. I'm talking about your obligation. Is it your obligation to see to it that human rights are being fulfilled? Or are you just too arrogant and egoistic?

My obligation is to vote for the laws I think are right. Arrogant and egotistic? Oh, so now we're down to namecalling, are we Chumly, old chap? Ok, buddy, put 'em up!

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Momma Angel wrote:

No, but I am being told that the way I would vote is wrong. And, since I am protected under the Constitution of the United States to vote the way I want NO MATTER WHAT (caps for emphasis only), no one has the right to tell me differently.

Then both parties in the US are acting unconstitutional? If somebody says "vote this way", he's infringing upon your right to vote?

Wicked.

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Momma Angel wrote:

I will not vote for something that I believe is wrong. Flat out period. That's just the way it is. Now, I have said if I was given the opportunity to vote I would abstain. That doesn't seem to be enough for some of you.[/b][/color]

This is precisely how segregation stayed in place for so long, MA. You want to maintain the status quo, a program that defines a group of people as second class citizens because you and others find some of the things they do to be personally distasteful.

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Momma Angel wrote:

littlek,

What? Sorry, but I'm a bit confused here. You think I should be condemning? Uh, isn't that the kind of thing so many seem to have a problem with Christianity?

littlek and joefromchicago are trying to trap you. I suspect they believe you are trying to have your cake and eat it to.

If you admit that you condemn homosexuals then you cannot be tolerant.

joe argues, in essence, that stating homosexuality is wrong, is actually a condemnation of homosexuality. He may, in a certain sense, be correct. It depends upon how you are using the word wrong. If by wrong you mean not in accordance with the ordered state of things, then he is incorrect, but if you mean contrary to the laws of Man or God then no matter how you arrived at that conclusion, the formulation of a judgment is implicit and in that sense of the word, you condemn homosexuality.

Of course common usage of the word condemn implies some sort of forceful external expression. We are not usually thought to condemn something to ourselves, or to condemn in whispers.

You see, in order for you to lay claim to the politically correct principle of tolerance you cannot judge. If you are tolerant, you cannot think homosexuality is wrong, and you certainly can't say that you think homosexuality is wrong.

My understanding of tolerance doesn't preclude you from forming a judgment that homosexuality is wrong. How you act on that judgment is the real test of your tolerance. And of course, testing your tolerance is not synonymous with testing your character.

I do think though that you should examine your reasoning for believing homosexuality to be wrong. There is not, at least in my mind, a difficulty with believing something is wrong because your God has decreed it to be so. The question should be though, how did you receive the decree? If it is from reading the Bible and believing that the Bible is the literal Word of God then it would seem to have to follow that you believe every decree in the Bible to be the Word of God. It strikes me that a person doesn't get to pick and choose what is the Word of God and then argue that they are not making personal judgments on what things are wrong, but merely conforming to the decrees of their Lord.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Chumly Wrote:

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I'm not talking about your rights. I'm talking about your obligation. Is it your obligation to see to it that human rights are being fulfilled? Or are you just too arrogant and egoistic?

My obligation is to vote for the laws I think are right. Arrogant and egotistic? Oh, so now we're down to namecalling, are we Chumly, old chap? Ok, buddy, put 'em up!

I did not write this and I am not sure who did, I ask questions not call people names.

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JTT,

I never once said anyone was a second class citizen, did I? See, the problem is those that disagree with me like to put these labels on me. You have no clue about me, as I have no clue about you.

I believed homosexuality was wrong before I became a Christian. Didn't have a dang thing to do with my religious beliefs whatsoever when I first made that decision.

My religious beliefs do reinforce that decision. I take a lot of flack for my stance on this but I don't care. I will not back down from what I believe is wrong or right.

You don't have to agree with me. I don't have to agree with you.

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Momma Angel wrote:

msolga wrote:
Momma Angel wrote:
Newsflash folks! Unless you can tell me where in the Constitution of the United States it says I cannot consider my religious beliefs when I vote you are infringing on my right to vote the way I want to vote!

It is absolutely no different than you voting on a tax break law for the poor that would discriminate against the rich or vice versa.

<sigh> I think the concern is that all folk (including homosexuals) MA, have the same rights. It is not just about you & your rights!

Like duh, msolga! That's what I am trying to tell you. We all have the exact same right. So, telling me I am wrong about how I would vote is wrong.

I'm talking about homosexuals' civil rights to marry, MA, just like you can. That's what I mean. You don't all have the same rights when some people can & some can't. Of course you are within your constitutional rights to deprive homosexuals from having equality in this regard, by how you exercise your vote. Dunno that I'd call it right, or fair, or good, though .... But it certainly doesn't mean they have the same rights within your society. But, hey, we wouldn't want you to compromise your beliefs, simply so they can be treated equally!

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msolga,

That is exactly what I am talking about. You are essentially asking me to give up my right to vote the way I want to vote because of someone else's rights. Why? What makes their rights more important than mine or yours, for that matter?

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My obligation is to vote for the laws I think are right. Arrogant and egotistic? Oh, so now we're down to namecalling, are we Chumly, old chap? Ok, buddy, put 'em up!

You don't care about gays then? You don't care if others are being discriminated against?

I'm not talking about your right. I'm talking about your obligation.

It would be arrogant and egoistic of you if you don't care about others.

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aktorist,

I have answered these questions. My obligation is to vote for what I believe is right. No matter what the vote is, someone is somehow going to be discriminated against according to the dictionary definition of the word.

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But you believe that discrimination against gays is wrong, right?

What you believe is right is anti-discrimination against gays, right?
You believe that it is not okay for gays to be discriminated, right?

That's what you believe in. Unless you say otherwise.

Affirmative or not?

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Chumly,

Forgive me! aktorist said that! I am so sorry! I misquoted!

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aktorist Wrote:

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But you believe that discrimination against gays is wrong, right?

What you believe is right is anti-discrimination against gays, right?
You believe that it is not okay for gays to be discriminated, right?

That's what you believe in. Unless you say otherwise.

Affirmative or not?

You don't read a single thing I post do you? You must not be.

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Momma Angel wrote:

msolga,

That is exactly what I am talking about. You are essentially asking me to give up my right to vote the way I want to vote because of someone else's rights. Why? What makes their rights more important than mine or yours, for that matter?

<sigh> Something to do with wanting all folk to have the same civil rights in their community? But that's obviously not an important consideration for you when compared with upholding your belief that homosexuality is evil & wrong. So really, MA, you're saying that it's OK by you if they have lesser civil rights to you because of your beliefs about their sexual orientation.

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