The anti-gay marriage movement IS homophobic

Are you sure that it hasn't hurt anyone?
One doubts it.

Well, I'm not suggesting that you have the power to condemn someone to everlasting damnation. As you point out, that is reserved for a merciful and loving god. But surely you have it within you to condemn something in the ordinary sense of saying that it is condemnable, i.e. that it is wrong and that those who do it or condone it are equally wrong.

littlek,

What? Sorry, but I'm a bit confused here. You think I should be condemning? Uh, isn't that the kind of thing so many seem to have a problem with Christianity?

Momma, I was agreeing with joefromchicago. And, I agree again with his latest post.

So why not support gay's rights to marry, then?

Cycloptichorn

Quite recently, I read something like "Condemn the sin, but love the sinner" somewhere.

(yeah, my two cents....)

I will not support something I believe is wrong. I may abstain if I had the opportunity to vote but I would not support it with my vote.

You believe that discrimination is wrong, right?
Why should straights be bestowed legal benefits while gays be denied from basic human rights?

http://www.hrc.org/Template.cfm?Section=Center&Template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=16761

* Hospital visitation. Married couples have the automatic right to visit each other in the hospital and make medical decisions. Same-sex couples can be denied the right to visit a sick or injured loved one in the hospital.
* Social Security benefits. Married people receive Social Security payments upon the death of a spouse. Despite paying payroll taxes, gay and lesbian workers receive no Social Security survivor benefits - resulting in an average annual income loss of $5,528 upon the death of a partner.
* Health insurance. Many public and private employers provide medical coverage to the spouses of their employees, but most employers do not provide coverage to the life partners of gay and lesbian employees. Gay employees who do receive health coverage for their partners must pay federal income taxes on the value of the insurance.
* Estate taxes. A married person automatically inherits all the property of his or her deceased spouse without paying estate taxes. A gay or lesbian taxpayer is forced to pay estate taxes on property inherited from a deceased partner.
* Retirement savings. While a married person can roll a deceased spouse's 401(k) funds into an IRA without paying taxes, a gay or lesbian American who inherits a 401(k) can end up paying up to 70 percent of it in taxes and penalties.
* Family leave. Married workers are legally entitled to unpaid leave from their jobs to care for an ill spouse. Gay and lesbian workers are not entitled to family leave to care for their partners.
* Immigration rights. Bi-national families are commonly broken up or forced to leave the country to stay together. The reason: U.S. immigration law does not permit American citizens to petition for their same-sex partners to immigrate.
* Nursing homes. Married couples have a legal right to live together in nursing homes. Because they are not legal spouses, elderly gay or lesbian couples do not have the right to spend their last days living together in nursing homes.
* Home protection. Laws protect married seniors from being forced to sell their homes to pay high nursing home bills; gay and lesbian seniors have no such protection.
* Pensions. After the death of a worker, most pension plans pay survivor benefits only to a legal spouse of the participant. Gay and lesbian partners are excluded from such pension benefits.

If you truly believe that justice should prevail and discrimination is wrong, you would want equality.

Which is exactly why civil rights issues should not be voted on by the public.

Do you believe that discrimination is worse?
It is, indeed, why you don't have prejudices?

Then you agree that discrimination is bad?

Why then should gays be discriminated on this level of these rights, which I have listed?

I know that the Roman Catholic church has been having a very difficult time distinguishing between the two when it comes to homosexuality, especially among its clergy. Other christian denominations, in their zeal to condemn homosexuality, have simply given up attempting to love homosexuals -- and given what I understand about christianity, I don't know why they should.

aktorist Wrote:



Just what part of this don't you understand, aktorist? Tell you what, let me give you this challenge I have given to many others. Let's see if you take the task.

Show me in the Constitution of the United States of America where it says I must or must not consider any certain thing when deciding what I would or would not vote for?

You vote your conscience. I vote mine. Same thing. It's a flippin moot point. We are not going to have the opportunity to vote on this.

Come on, momma. You always want us to put ourselves in your shoes and try to think like you. Think outside the bible for a sec. And try to answer my question in some sort of way besides saying, "just because."

It's not about your right. It's whether you believe whether it is right or wrong.

Simply put: Discrimination:

It is either right, or it is wrong.

And I'm certain that you believe that discrimination against gays is wrong.
If you must vote, why then, would you vote for discrimination, which you believe is wrong?

aktorist,

Actually, it is about all of our rights, isn't it? You are advocating for the rights of homosexuals at the expense of my rights. Is that right?

at the expense of what right exactly, momma?

Momma, why at the expense of your rights? What rights would you loose?

Neither is Momma

I'm confused by that, MA.

How exactly will your rights be affected if homosexuals have the same rights as you, under the law. I don't get it.

Ok, I think Finn knows what I meant by that but let me explain it to everyone else.

I have the right to vote. You have the right to vote. You have the right to base your decision for your vote on whatever the heck you want to base it on. Well, so do I. You telling me I am wrong in how I would vote is the same thing as telling me I don't have a right to vote that way.

Why you vote for what you vote for is your business, just as what I vote for and why is my business. This is just a discussion. But, if you tell me I am wrong for what I would vote you are not giving me the same right that you have.