The anti-gay marriage movement IS homophobic

aktorist wrote:

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Well, so who decided then that homosexuality is ok? Again, if God says it is wrong then they have done something wrong.

Again, your religion has no exemption from morality. That particular article of belief is immoral.

You are telling me that because I believe homosexuality is a sin that I am practicing an immoral belief? You actually think that because I think something is wrong that I am immoral?

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So, what have I inflicted on anyone just because I believe homosexuality is wrong? And you might want to keep this in mind, everyone does wrong. Everyone. No one is perfect. So, am I prejudice against everyone in the world then because they have done something wrong? I think not.

Keep in mind that those who hold a similar view used it to justify that gays can't marry, can't have children, and lynching.

Well, I can assure you I am not going to be doing any lynching. I won't even carry signs or protest.

Sure, no one is perfect. But we can get close. And we can eliminate those which we know are bad already.

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If God says it is wrong then it does harm to God because sin causes Him heartache.

Again, that's religion, and religion has no exemption from morality.

No, that's not religion. That is God. Again, who decides what morality is?

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I am only telling you what I believe.

And what you currently believe is immoral. You may say that Hitler believed what he did was right (and I also agree), but does that mean that we should tolerate Hitler and his beliefs?

Again with I am immoral? I don't give a flip if Hitler thought what he was doing was right or not! It was wrong.

Your belief is immoral because it has consequences. Your thoughts are important. I'm not saying that thought crime should be illegal -- just that you should watch what you think. Your prejudice is wrong.

The only consequences I seem to be suffering are you telling me I am immoral because I think something is wrong because God says it is. Well, aktorist, like I said, you will have to take this up with God because I believe what what He says.

Again, I am not trying to be disrespectful or anything here. But don't you think you are getting pretty close to being hypocritical here? You are telling me I am wrong about something I have every right (the same right as you) to talk about and believe the way I do?

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Roxxxanne,

Uh, there's just one problem with your statement. I do not hate anyone. I do not practice non-acceptance.

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momma, maybe you should go back to square one and define some twerms for us. Like: intolerance, immorality, condemnation, and the word wrong.

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I guess maybe I better, littlek. Because it sure seems I am taking some flack here I don't think I should be getting.

Just because someone does not agree with someone else it does not make them intolerant. It makes them have differing views. Intolerance to me is action. It would be showing outward repulsion, expulsion, etc. to someone.

Immorality is doing something against your principles.

Condemnation is sentencing someone to a judgment for something they have done whether you do it verbally, legally, etc.

Wrong. The opposite of right.

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MA

I'm certain that Sturgis can & will speak for himself, but I just want to say this in response to your question:

Sturgis has said he's a homosexual. That is who he is. He is a person as well as being a homosexual. Because of certain beliefs you have chosen to hold, you are being intolerant to him as another human being. You take my breath away, you really do. How can you not know how offensive such a question is?

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Momma, how would like for me to say you are wrong for being christian? Wait, that doesn't even work. How about if I said you were wrong for being a woman?

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Like...christian bigots....get over yourselves.

Nobody is asking YOU to marry a homosexual.

Sheeesh.

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Momma - I know you're out there. Can you please think about, if not address my last post.

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It is amusing to see the degree of intolerance evidenced in this thread for a belief that is perceived to be intolerant.

When Jesus cautioned people to not judge each other, I feel pretty sure he didn't mean to limit the admonition to the judging of homosexuals.

There are inherent problems with the notion of tolerance as the central principle of society:

1)It requires everyone to tolerate behaviors and beliefs with which they are uncomfortable
2) #1 will never happen - as evidenced by this thread wherein the heralds of tolerance and non-judgment are falling all over each other to explain to someone that her personal belief are, in fact, intolerable.

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We are not trying to legislate against your civil rights.

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I had a pretty active thread going sometime back that asked the question:

"Is it intolerant to be intolerant of intolerance?"

It yielded some interesting things including exploring whether it is intolerant to assign that designation to somebody else especially when it comes to these politically correct sticky wickets.

Anybody who knows MommaAngel knows that intolerance is not her forte. She does have strong opinions about what is right and what is wrong.

Finn is right that we can't call ourselves tolerant if we tolerate only that with which we agree.

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The only consequences I seem to be suffering are you telling me I am immoral because I think something is wrong because God says it is. Well, aktorist, like I said, you will have to take this up with God because I believe what what He says.

How do you know what he says? Be precise, plz.

Cycloptichorn

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I believe the Bible is the Word of God. The Bible says homosexuality is wrong.

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aktorist wrote:

Like a roulette wheel with an infinate amount of numbers. The bible is like number 1927350917325. What are it's chances on landing on that number?

On a roulette wheel with an infinite amount of numbers, the chance of the ball landing on any one number on any given spin would be infinitely small. But if the wheel is spun an infinite number of times over an infinite amount of time, the chance of any number coming up would be 1. Under your reasoning, therefore, the chance that the bible is correct is absolutely certain.

You may want to come up with a different analogy.

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littlek wrote:

Momma, how would like for me to say you are wrong for being christian? Wait, that doesn't even work. How about if I said you were wrong for being a woman?

Momma, now that you're back, could you address this?

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littlek,

The Bible doesn't say it's wrong to be a woman. Littlek, please understand, I do not discriminate against homosexuals. I don't. I believe what I believe but I don't use those beliefs to hurt anyone.

If I had the chance to vote on this particular issue I would just not vote.

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MOAN wrote:

I believe the Bible is the Word of God. The Bible says homosexuality is wrong.

Here we go again with your tired old nonsense. Leviticus says that homosexuals should be executed. If you believe the word of god is manifest in the bible, than you should agitate for the execution of homosexuals.

Of course, whenever someone points out the horrendous character defects of the old testament god, and the vicious cruelty promoted therein, you start your frantic chant of "new covenant, new covenant." In that case, you trot out Paul to the Corinthians. And in that case, you have a single phrase, castigating the "effeminate." So, if you restrict yourself to the "new covenant" when trying to dodge the ramifications of the moral defects of the old testament god and the exhortations embodied therein, you are left with a deprecating passage about effeminacy. One can then assume that really buffed, butch gay bodybuilders and butch lesbians must be OK, with Paul, right?

Your position is, as one could expect, ludicrous.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Please do not get me wrong. I am not condemning anyone here.

Why not? If I were a christian I'd certainly be condemning homosexuality. What's the point of calling something a sin if you don't condemn it?

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joefromchicago,

Condemning someone is only something God has authority to do. I have no such authority.

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joefromchicago wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:
Please do not get me wrong. I am not condemning anyone here.

Why not? If I were a christian I'd certainly be condemning homosexuality. What's the point of calling something a sin if you don't condemn it?

That's what I'm trying to figure out.

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