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The anti-gay marriage movement IS homophobic

 
 
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2005 03:39 pm
You actually took that seriously? You make such a good straight (sic) man that I could not resist.

Nearly everything is life is really a choice but this is a strawman argument regarding whether one prefers sleeping with the opposite sex or the same sex. How would one explain bisexuals? Individuals are wired to have the attraction in the first place including bisexuals. Certainly someone who is bisexual and chooses to live a gay life and change their life style to embrace a straight life style is making a choice and so what? Y'all need to wear looser clothes -- they're constricting the flow of blood and not just to the brain.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2005 03:42 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Lightwizard wrote:
No, you'd be standing there wondering how they would look on you.


Stereotyping homosexuals? That doesn't seem like you...


No, that would make you a crossdresser, approximately half of which claim to be hetero. Looks like some of you could use a sex eduaction class or better yet, discover what is REALLY going in the sexual netherland of this repressed society.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2005 03:42 pm
Lightwizard wrote:
You actually took that seriously? You make such a good straight (sic) man that I could not resist.

Everything is life is really a choice but this is a strawman argument regarding whether one prefers sleeping with the opposite sex or the same sex. How would one explain bisexuals? Individuals are wired to have the attraction in the first place including bisexuals. Certainly someone who is bisexual and chooses to live a gay life and change their life style to embrace a straight life style is making a choice and so what? Y'all need to wear looser clothes -- they're constricting the flow of blood and not just to the brain.


No, I didn't really take it seriously. :wink:
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2005 03:44 pm
Chrissee wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Lightwizard wrote:
No, you'd be standing there wondering how they would look on you.


Stereotyping homosexuals? That doesn't seem like you...


No, that would make you a crossdresser, approximately half of which claim to be hetero. Looks like some of you could use a sex eduaction class or better yet, discover what is REALLY going in the sexual netherland of this repressed society.


I hope Nimh doesn't see this. I know the Netherlands has some issues, but being repressed isn't one of them.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2005 03:47 pm
Being embarassed by one's own sexuality provocates a misunderstanding of homosexuality and bisexuality. What one doesn't realize is that their homophobia isn't much different than being embarassed or even appalled at thinking of their parents or grandparents having sex. I'm astonished at the small mindedness of these individuals and I can't help wondering if they just don't need to get laid.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2005 03:53 pm
As an instance, disease is often not a choice unless it's brought on by something like smoking or bad diet. Homosexuality, however, is not a disease. It's an anomaly of our genetic evolution and has probably existed since the cave men. Lucky they didn't have barbers in those days 'cause that would mean a caveman could still drag his male partner around by the hair.

Trying to compare homosexuality of alcoholism is not altogether incorrect as noone really knows why alcoholism exists other than it is a disease, otherwise the comparison fails.

Anyone who would marry a man who was formerly a homosexual would either have to be very understanding or a fool.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2005 04:18 pm
Lightwizard wrote:
I'm astonished at the small mindedness of these individuals and I can't help wondering if they just don't need to get laid.

Ah ha! Another instance of the argumentum ad connubium!
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2005 05:35 pm
Yes, often sexual unions can settle an argument. :wink:
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 07:30 am
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blatham wrote:
The organizations and individuals most active in this campaign to create state ballot initiatives, and those forwarding the constitutional ammendment are either 1) theology-based or 2) partisan Republican (usually both).

thomas: I am not surprised, and I take your word that this is so. I just don't think it follows that "the anti-gay marriage movement is homophobic". In my opinion, you are merely observing the predictable fact that the individuals and organizations most active in any campaign tend to be the zealots, and this is no exception. Using the logic you used in this thread, I could easily defend the thesis that "the environmentalist movement is a doomsday cult". From the Club of Rome's Limits to Growth to Independence Day and its enthusiastic reception amon environmentalists, I could cite a cornucopia of evidence for this proposition. Nevertheless, it would be unfair of me to draw this conclusion about the broader environmentalist movement -- just as unfair as your conclusions about the broad spectrum of gay marriage opponents.


Well, thomas, you are almost there.

The difference, or course, between the anti-gay marriage movement and the environmental movement (or many others like it, the union movement, the anti-corporate movement, etc) is the element of cultural sexual taboo. If no taboo against homosexuality existed in American culture this simply would not be an issue of any significance for politicians nor the electorate. This thread wouldn't exist and we'd all be elsewhere; you detailing the lies the Bush administration is propogating on Social Security, george writing posts with 'navy' capitalized, dadothree alerting us to the satanic cults murdering babies in the woods of Pennsylvania (even as we speak!), Helen providing high-level projections on the minimal consequences of wind-blown irradiation of neighboring countries after the Koreas, north and south, were nuked for the dog thing, LW would be giving the rest of us valuable tips on the seduction of CIA agents and I'd be lighting a bowl. We'd all be having a lot more fun.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 08:35 am
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 08:41 am
You forgot to mention the navy.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 08:43 am
Which, now that I think about the context of this discussion....
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 08:45 am
To set the record straigth on a few typos of mine:

1) The doctrine I challenged the proponents of gay marriage to defend is "Anybody who is allowed to marry, is allowed to marry each other". I had omitted the "each other" in my initial post.

2) I meant The Day After Tomorrow, not Independence Day. The former is about a global warming disaster, the latter, about an alien invasion. The films are easy to confuse though. Their plots are similarly unrealistic and spectacular, and they are both directed by Roland Emmerich, an evil German filmmaker conquering Hollywood.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 08:46 am
thomas

I watched some of Marathon Man last night, and cheered at your entrance.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 08:51 am
Blatham -- Just wait until you see the dental drill scene. It's required viewing in German Ethics classes.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 08:53 am
blatham wrote:
You forgot to mention the navy.


Well you are right there. I did notice (and appreciate) your Navy riff. I even considered working a response into my reply. However I couldn't find a way to do it that wouldn't dilute the devastating logical impact of my response. Probably an indication of pettiness or lack of imagination on my part. As you know I am easily carried away in the heat of argument.

But I did appreciate the light hearted overtones, and, if I was more skilled, would have included them myself.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 09:00 am
It's ok george. You aren't german, and that goes a long way to forgiving you everything.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 09:44 am
Well I thiought the "dental drill" bit above was a good sign.

However, he does have an ugly avatar.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 09:51 am
It's the extraordinary malevolent glee that Sir Lawrence Olivier emoted while drilling on the teeth that is pertinent here.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 10:41 am
georgeob1 wrote:



When one is blinded by fear and prejudice, rational discussion is not possible. Dance, as you will, on an infinite number of pins but the truth is the truth. The essence of opposition to gay marriages comes from homophobia. It is an irrefutable fact.
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