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You need a license to watch TV in UK?!

 
 
McGentrix
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2017 02:04 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

I don't know who Drax is and why you ask him.

But perhaps you can summarise the various regulations regarding Court bailiffs, High Court bailiffs and High Court enforcement officers and what differs those from certified bailiffs and private non-certified bailiffs? (In England/Wales - the Scottish laws about bailiffs are even more different as far as I remember)


Walter Hinteler wrote:

My original thoughts were and are that McG is unaware about what bailiffs do resp. what they are.


You accused me of being unaware about what bailiffs do. Now you need me to explain to you what it is?

How about you tell me what it is I am unaware of? I am pretty sure that I AM aware of what they do so your accusation has confused me.

So, please tell me what it is that you think I am unaware of.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2017 02:57 pm
@izzythepush,
Yeah. Looks like you just get in a line to die. Horrible news about your unhealtcare system.

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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2017 03:17 pm
Bailiff Response Team... This would make Americans proud I think. Standing up to the goons preying on the weak and the vulnerable.



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PLEASE CHECK OUT MY GUIDE ON HOW TO DEAL WITH BAILIFFS... https://youtu.be/e6M-oNMJ6X4
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2017 03:18 pm
@McGentrix,
Response moderated: Personal attack. See more info.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2017 03:20 pm
@McGentrix,
No you're talking bollocks.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2017 03:33 pm
Looks like they corrupt police in England as well. Guess they have taken some of the tactics from the US after all...



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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2017 03:58 pm
@McGentrix,
Thanks for the bailie response tips, McG!!
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2017 04:14 pm
I think Walter has mistaken my being critical of a system in the UK for not understanding it. I understand it perfectly well and that is why I am critical of it.

While I appreciate Walter's grandstanding for his euro-buddies, I don't think it adds much to the conversation. Earlier, Walter gave some background on TV licensing in Europe and that was fine. Naturally Germany has done it better and longer than anyone else in the world, but he doesn't seem to get that people not living there might find it a bit odd. Especially when you get people coming to your actual door looking to take your things for payment of a license fee...

Do you understand why I am having this discussion Walter?
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2017 05:43 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I don't know who Drax is and why you ask him.

http://bahbs.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/guardians-of-the-galaxy-poster-drax.jpg
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centrox
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2017 12:01 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
Especially when you get people coming to your actual door looking to take your things for payment of a license fee...

They are not coming to take your things for payment of the licence fee. They are coming to the door because you didn't pay the fine you got for breaking the law by watching TV without a licence, and holding out against the court, or ignoring it.


Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2017 12:04 am
@centrox,
McGentrix wrote:
I think Walter has mistaken my being critical of a system in the UK for not understanding it. I understand it perfectly well and that is why I am critical of it.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2017 12:11 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
Naturally Germany has done it better and longer than anyone else in the world, but he doesn't seem to get that people not living there might find it a bit odd.
I don't think that Germany has done it longer than anyone else.
And I disagree that it is done here better.

Of course, those who are unaware that it is a "tradition" here in Europe might find it odd - as do we Europeans, for instance that can get arrested in the US for crossing a street ...
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2017 12:38 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I don't think McG knows what understanding means. He certainly acts as if he doesn't.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2017 02:14 am
@centrox,
centrox wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
Especially when you get people coming to your actual door looking to take your things for payment of a license fee...

They are not coming to take your things for payment of the licence fee. They are coming to the door because you didn't pay the fine you got for breaking the law by watching TV without a licence, and holding out against the court, or ignoring it.

Rolling Eyes

So, trying to score imaginary points or trying to make a point?

The BBC charges people to receive their signal. This "license" gives a person permission to view and record television programs as they are being shown on TV or live online. 2003 saw the Communications Act and 2004 saw Communications Regulations that made it illegal to watch or record TV as they were being shown on any channel or any broadcast platform or download or watch BBC without a valid license.
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Section 363 of the Communications Act 2003 makes it an offence to install or use a television receiver to watch or record any television programmes as they’re being shown on television without a TV Licence.

Section 365 of that Act requires that a person to whom a TV Licence is issued must pay a fee to the BBC. The nature and amount of this fee is set out in the Communications (Television Licensing) Regulations 2004 (as amended).

Since 1991, the BBC, in its role as the relevant licensing authority, has been responsible for collecting and enforcing the TV Licence fee. The BBC contracts companies to do this work under the BBC trade mark ‘TV Licensing’. The BBC (and contractors acting on its behalf) must comply with the law in collecting and enforcing the licence fee. The BBC Charter further requires that these arrangements be appropriate, proportionate and efficient.


If you don't have the license and you are suspected of committing such a vile act as watching the telly without a license then a third party gets to take over for the BBC. This is handled by Capita Business Services Ltd (a private business) and they have a list of every address and whether or not a valid license has been purchased.

It's interesting to note that it's not a license to only watch BBC, it's a license to watch any TV program. So, say you have DishTV, you need a license. If you only have Netflix though, you do not need a license.

Actual rules:
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Licensable activity – under the Communications Act 2003 and Communications (Television Licensing) Regulations 2004 (as amended) licensable activity broadly means using or installing any device to:

a) watch or record any television programme service;

b) watch or record any television programme at the same time (or virtually at the same time) as it is being shown on any television programme service; or

c) (as of 1st September 2016) watch or download any BBC programme on demand on BBC iPlayer, even if it is accessed through another provider, such as Sky, Virgin Media, Freeview or BT.

Licensable activity does not include:

a) watching programmes by means of pre-recorded media such as DVD and Bluray;
b) downloading or watching S4C TV on demand on BBC iPlayer or listening to radio programmes on BBC iPlayer.

c) downloading or watching on demand programmes from other providers, such as:
• ITV Hub, All 4 or Demand 5
• BT Vision, Virgin Media or Sky Go
• Netflix or Now TV


So, you have your TV, hooked to a laptop and you watch Netflix and you tell TV Licensing that you don't need a license, you'd think that would be the end of it, right? Nope, they do "random" searches semi-annually to be sure those that have said they don't need a license aren't really lying scum criminals. They also reserve the right to visit an address pretty much whenever they want. You know, just to be sure you aren't a lying piece of shite.

So, they have decided that you really should have a license and you've not paid it what next? Capita Business Services LTD will send you a reminder. If you don't pay, an "enquiry officer" will stop by unannounced for a home visit. Isn't that comforting? They care for you that much. They send out roughly 21 million reminder letters and perform 3.8 million visits annually. Many of those visits occur on Sundays.

An American wouldn't allow an "Enquiry officer" into their house without a warrant. But, many Brits do and then they are screwed. Self incrimination is a fine thing for them. So, they decide to prosecute or not then the case goes to court yada, yada, yada, you have outstanding fines.

Because of a license fee... So again, trying to garner imaginary points fro Drax and Izzy? Is that what your up to with your silly response?
nimh
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2017 03:01 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

After I finished that video, I realized that this is what happens in a country that doesn't have guns. By banning the ability to defend oneself, government agents are allowed to walk in and confiscate your things. This would never fly in America.

Freedom and all that.

You genuinely believe that Americans never get possessions seized when they can't or don't pay their debts? Or are you making some other distinction here?

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I am talking about what's happening in the UK, not the US. You do understand that, right?

When you make claims about how something "would never fly in America", those claims are up for discussion, no? I mean, when you've got practices like the police shaking down random drivers under the label of "civil forfeiture", which seems way worse than the licence fee thing, it seems odd to turn this into some kind of "you wacky Europeans, nothing like this would happen in America where we have guns" thing.
centrox
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2017 03:52 am
@nimh,
nimh wrote:
it seems odd to turn this into some kind of "you wacky Europeans, nothing like this would happen in America where we have guns" thing.

I think you have to remember that there are a bunch of people on here who are kind of armchair warriors, they get their jollies picking arguments with complete strangers about some topic or other. It doesn't really matter what the topic actually is. They show many (or all!) of the characteristics of the classic web troll e.g. they pretend to misunderstand or deliberately ignore salient points, repeatedly restate things that have been disproved, say things to get a rise out of others, etc.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2017 03:55 am
@nimh,
McGentrix isn't remotely interested in discussing, or even understanding for that matter, any of the issues raised here He started this thread to attack me because I'm always pointing out his nonsense on other threads, he decided to have a go at my country because that's how xenophobes think. That's all it is, which is why all the other bottom feeders like Lash and Max are swirling around him because I've put their noses out of joint too.

This is just McGentrix trying. and failing, to show why yoosay is so much better than other developed nations, but all he's done is look like an ignoramus who lives in a fantasy world.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2017 04:58 am
@McGentrix,
everything you ascribe to UK "Tv practices" are also in existence in the US,(with the exception that "theft of service" is usually q charge brought by the cable company and served up by "Constables" (Our use of "bailiff " is different than the UK. A bailff in th US is a n officer of the court providing security in the courtroom or for moving prisoners.
Our bailiffs can be armed or unarmed depending on the court they serve.

Theft of service is a crime here too, and its a FELONY.
I believe a cop could enter your house without a warrant , because under the conditions of the 4th Amendment, they can enter without your permission is a crime is visible.

So you seem to be proud of the fact that you would not feel guilty were you to shoot a cop so he cant serve up a notice that you are suspected of theft of service. Is that your real point??.

Does this make our TV programming superior to the UK? Youve not been making a convincing case on that one.




izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2017 05:01 am
Debt collection in America.

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These 'seriously delinquent debts' are then sold off by the banks, payday loan companies and other organizations to debt collection agencies at a knock-down rate.

The debt buyers - who are sometimes buying second or third-hand debts - then chase the debtor for the original account.

If a long time has elapsed since the debt was racked up, it becomes known as a 'zombie debt'.

'That's an apt comparison,' Oliver said, 'because just like on "The Walking Dead", zombie debt comes back from the grave, is incredibly hard to deal with and seems to disproportionately impact minorities.'

And collection can get nasty: Oliver played recordings of some threatening to kill debtors, while another boasted about how he called debtors' bosses at their homes.

'We're gonna have your dog arrested,' threatened one collector, 'we're gonna shoot him up, we're gonna eat him
.'



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3628039/John-Oliver-buys-15million-medical-debt-belonging-9-000-Americans-forgives-biggest-TV-giveaway-time-Week-Tonight.html

So that's what freedom looks like, death threats and dog dinners.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2017 05:06 am
@izzythepush,
we do enjoy the occasional dog , that is our secret vice. It goes so well with chanterelle sauce and a nice Gran Cru Pulligny Montrachet (I would prefer a 2011), myum nyum nyum nyum
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