australia wrote:Good for you Einherjar. I hope you enjoy the influx of muslim immigrants into your country.
Well, we we Europeans had to deal quite some time with the Christian influx in our countries.
I do think, we can handle the influx of other religions as well.
It is meant to be a christian continent. Still, if you want to pollute it with muslims, it is up to you. Wouldn't it be ironic, if you or your family was killed by a suicide bomber? Wonder if you still would be a muslim lover then.
australia wrote:It is meant to be a christian continent. Still, if you want to pollute it with muslims, it is up to you. Wouldn't it be ironic, if you or your family was killed by a suicide bomber? Wonder if you still would be a muslim lover then.
Thanks for your kind wishes.
I appreciate these very much and adore your Christian attitude.
Isn't it interesting that, despite the enormous variety of people of all types who inhabit this planet, ignorant loudmouthed jerks are so monotonously similar.
Interesting, george? No. Sadly. tediously, predictably inescapable is more like it. Idiocy is owned by no one particular ideology or theology; it is an equal-oppotunity handicap of the first order, and indisoluable from its consanguin companion, boorishness.
The great irony would be if your family or friends was killed by a bomb from a suicide bomber. Then I would love to see if you still have the same compassionate and caring attitude towards muslims.
australia wrote:The great irony would be if your family or friends was killed by a bomb from a suicide bomber. Then I would love to see if you still have the same compassionate and caring attitude towards muslims.
Has this happened to you australia? Is that what colours your attitude towards muslims?
Well spotted Adrian! I give you top marks for perception.
You have my deepest condolences.
"For hatred does not cease by hatred at any time: hatred ceases by
love - this is an old rule." - The Dhammapada.
I have nothing personally against muslims. I just have first hand experience in the extreme violence and misery their extremists can cause.
While violence and its attendent misery are currently greatly associated with some professed adherents of the Muslim faith, by no means are the practioners of that violence representative of the entire faith, nor is violence and misery exclusive to them. I have little respect or regard for violent Islamist fanatics, or for violent fanatics of any stripe, I have no ill feeling toward Muslims, nor any other faith or people in general - that's just my take, though.
My condolences too, Australia. That must be terrible.
Though late, I too offer my sincerest condolences, australia, and admit a personal failure of sensitivity to the possible - even likely - source of your discontent. Sorry if misapprehension on my part brought you further offense.
No offence taken guys. As I said, I have nothing personally against muslims, but think that personal safety is paramount to a nice society.
My condolences as well.
Do you agree though that most muslims are not a threat?
I agree with this statement.
It is the extreme violent minority that I worry about. Actually I feel sorry for the muslims who do the right thing. It must be hard for them in a forieng country where people look at them as a potential terrorist.
It definitely is, australia. I got a few Moroccan colleagues and they're getting pretty pissed-off about how they're automatically and randomly seen or treated as some kind of closet terrorists or something (or otherwise, like they're all petty street criminals) ... its a big issue here. Some Amsterdam alderman (a Labour one, even!) inadvertantly dropped some remark about "those c*ntmoroccans" (mind you, c*unt is a pretty standard expression here, its not as outrageous as it is in english) - and ever since, thats been the key-word ... there's this popular Moroccan-Dutch hip-hopper, Raymzter, who had a big hit with his track "c*ntmoroccans", in which he went off on exactly that kind of thing ...
I watched a documentary once about muslims in europe. They said that young musmilm immigrants either do two things upon reaching europe. They become westernised and slightly depart from more traditional muslim values. 2) they feel isolated and so gravitate towards muslim minority groups which have extremist views. This is what happened to M Attah who flew the planes in 911. He was brought up as a peace loving muslim from his parents in the middle east but when he studied in hamburg he fell in with the wrong crowd. I am not sure what the solution is to this problem.
australia wrote:I watched a documentary once about muslims in europe. They said that young musmilm immigrants either do two things upon reaching europe. They become westernised and slightly depart from more traditional muslim values. 2) they feel isolated and so gravitate towards muslim minority groups which have extremist views.
Yeah, thats pretty much it. The second group is just a small minority, of course, but then you only need a few extremists to cause a lot of grief. I dont really have a simple answer on what the solution is either, alas ... just a lot of part-answers ... its like a puzzle.
