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Anti-Muslim Dutch politicians in hiding after death threats

 
 
sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 10:23 am
Your uncle, huh? And that was the first he learned of it? He didn't brag about it?

Interesting review, thanks. You probably know that those complaints are common ones in American movies about the black mileu -- have to get that sympathetic white hero in there. ("Philadelphia" played with that by having the sympathetic straight "bridge" be a black actor in the midst of a bunch of non-black homos. ;-) ) "Boyz in the Hood" was one of the first to dispense with that "bridge" and just have an all-black cast.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 20 Nov, 2004 08:03 pm
I have neglected this thread ... and will keep on doing so for a bit more, cause I dont feel like talking too much about all this depressing stuff ...

But meanwhile, thanks for the kind words JW .. nice to talk to you.

JustWonders wrote:
I'm mainly embarrassed that I know so little about your country's politics (how many parties can ONE country have? LOL)

Heh ;-). Well, there's about nine in parliament now ... and though people might get confused about the littlest ones I think most all Dutchmen would be able to name the biggest five or six without problems. But you know, they all go back a long way ... hell, there's one party, the SGP, thats had either 2 or 3 seats in parliament (out of 100, then 150) ever since 1925. Stubborn little minority, that.

JustWonders wrote:
I got so caught up in the politics of the election in general, I just realized there's little time left to do nice things for me and time with friends and family (only so many hours in the day) Smile.  I'll still participate some, and will read this thread religiously.  If I learn anything new from here (even via Fox LOL), I'll be sure to pass it along.  I miss seeing you post over in "Politics".

Yes, well I'm trying to let the same conclusion sink in ... friends and family - or books, films and days out for that matter - are nice too ... or even just the more fun threads here at A2K. Any updates on how this is playing over there remain welcome though - even Fox ones ;-)

JustWonders wrote:
I've always been curious how you came to know so much about my country.  Have you spent lots of time here?

No, I've only ever been there once, back in '88, on a month-long holiday with my dad, who lived in the States for a year when he was fresh out of high school. His "foster" parents for much of the year back then was a stridently Progressive (OK, socialist) reverend and his wife, by the way ... traditions kind of chart themselves out ;-)
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 20 Nov, 2004 08:04 pm
Well it was the first I heard about it, Soz, anyway! Very Happy
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 20 Nov, 2004 08:11 pm
Thok wrote:
Netherlands- unfortunaly now Belgium?

Quote:
Death threats force senator into hiding, police protection

A female Belgian senator has been forced into hiding after receiving death threats, it was reported on Wednesday.

Mimount Bousakla, who is of Moroccan origin and is a senator from Antwerp, was advised by police to take refuge at a secret address after receiving the threats by telephone, several Flemish newspapers reported.
[..]


They arrested the guy who threatened Ms. Bousakla, by the way ... it was a white, Flemish Muslim, newly converted to Islam a few years ago ...

Odd, that - reminds me about the men who were arrested at that police action in The Hague (and simultaneously in Amersfoort). They were found to be plotting the murder of Geert Wilders and Ayaan Hirsi Ali as I noted - and also, as was later found out, of Amsterdam mayor Job Cohen and alderman Ahmed Aboutaleb. (Pretty much equal opportunity assassination plotters, thus, both ethnically and politically - Cohen and Aboutaleb are both Labour and are generally seen as the opponents of Wilders and Hirsi Ali in the various soft/tough discussions. None of which matters to the extremists.)

Reason I'm reminded is because two of the four or five of them were new converts as well, "Jason" and another guy, who were "of American origin" in fact, the newspaper noted. (Wonder if Fox mentioned that, too ... ;-))

Never trust the newly converted ...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 21 Nov, 2004 12:02 am
nimh wrote:

Never trust the newly converted ...


Used to be standard language among left Catholics in the 70's/80's here Laughing
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 21 Nov, 2004 12:56 pm
Positive fallout???

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1403528,00.html
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 21 Nov, 2004 01:04 pm
You mean that demonstration?

No, it was planned long before the van Gogh murder.


Some background info in this report:

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Germany's Muslims Take To Street To Demonstrate Against Terrorism
By Manik Mehta

BERLIN, Nov 10 (Bernama) -- In a departure from its past silence over acts of international terrorism, often interpreted by the local population as tacit endorsement of -- and encouragement to -- the perpetrators, Germany's Muslim community is taking the initiative and coming out to condemn such attacks.

After debating for a long time over this issue, controversial within its rank and file, the largest apex organization of Muslims in Germany, popularly known by its German acronym Ditib, has called for a mass demonstration in Cologne on Nov 21.

The demonstration, to be held under the motto "Together for peace and against terrorism", is aimed at rejecting any form of extremism within the Islamic faith, a Ditib member told Bernama.

"In effect, we are pledging ourselves to uphold the principles of the democratic state, and to our duty to defend it," Ditib's secretary-general Ali Gulcek said.

Gulcek has denied that the decision to stage the demonstration is a reaction to the recent assassination of Dutch film director Theo van Gogh in the streets of Amsterdam, followed by what the Dutch authorities describe as a vengeful attack on a school and mosque in the Netherlands.

"Of course, we ought to have shown our solidarity much earlier," he admitted recently in interviews with the German media.

He revealed that the demonstration had, actually, been planned for May this year but had to be postponed because preparations had to be made for autumn.

By staging the demonstration, Ditib said that it would like to bring about a change in perception of Islam in Germany.

German politicians and Church representatives have been urging Muslims in Germany to publicly dissociate themselves from terrorism after perpetration of such acts.

Although Muslim groups in Germany had sporadically condemned such terrorist attacks, there had not been a mass demonstration by Muslims in Germany.

"We had never been silent in the past, but now we are going to be loud," Gulcek said.

He expects some 30,000 people to take part in the Nov 21 demonstration.

But Muslim organisers acknowledge that it will not be easy mobilizing thousands of Muslim demonstrators particularly because Muslims are not well organised to a large extent.

Also, there is rivalry between individual Muslim groups.

The second largest organisation called Milli Gorus, which comprises, essentially, of Turkish Muslims, has so far been cool in its reaction to the idea of staging a demonstration against acts of terrorism by perpetrators in the name of Islam.

Its secretary general, Oguz Ucuncu, was quoted as saying that his organization had "not yet been invited" to participate in the demonstration.

He felt that the idea of staging a demonstration was tantamount to bowing to the pressures of public opinion.

He said that he did not need any demonstration to show that he was against terrorism.

It had always been something natural for him (to be against terrorism).

Ucuncu stated that organising a demonstration made sense only if there was a direct compelling reason.

His organisation had, for example, participated in the procession in Amsterdam to express sorrow over the killing of van Gogh.

The incidents in the Netherlands could not be automatically linked with Germany, he maintained.

Ucuncu was, in effect, alluding to the demand by German Bishop Wolfgang Hubers, the chairman of the Council of the Evangelical Churches in Germany, who had admonished after the hostage-taking in Beslan that Germany's Muslims should dissociate themselves from the incidents of Beslan.

This call led to severe reactions among the Muslim groups in Germany whose representatives pointed out that the violent hostage-taking of children by Chechnya rebels had been motivated not by any Islamic reasons but by purely nationalist considerations.

Muslim groups in Germany questioned why they were being linked with events in Russia.

"What have we to do with those incidents?" they asked.

German Church representatives also asked why Muslims in Germany did not follow the example of their brethren in France who had taken to the streets to demonstrate against the kidnapping of two French journalists in Iraq.

Muslims in France said that they did not want such acts of terrorism by Iraqi perpetrators who professed to be doing it to force the French state to withdraw its ban on the wearing of head scarves by Muslims schoolgirls.

However, the Central Council of Muslims in Germany has praised the idea of staging a demonstration by Muslims.

Nadeem Elyas, its chairman, said that it would be possible to jointly organize the demonstration together with Ditib.

He explained that his organization had refrained from a demonstration in the past because it had feared that there would be low participation.

But then there was the wrong impression among the German public that Muslims were not interested in dissociating themselves from terrorism and "all the other associations should now work (towards dispelling this impression)," Elyas said.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 21 Nov, 2004 01:53 pm
Thanks, Walter!! You're a wiz Smile

It was this paragraph that caught my eye:

In the wake of the killing in the Netherlands of filmmaker Theo van Gogh by a suspected Islamic extremist early this month, various initiatives have been launched in Germany to better integrate the three and a half million Muslims who live in the country.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 21 Nov, 2004 01:58 pm
nimh - Thanks for the reply earlier. 'Splains a lot LOL.

I don't blame you for finding all this depressing. It is.

Cool that you came here with your dad. I haven't traveled with mine since we went "college shopping" LOL. That was a riot Smile
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 26 Nov, 2004 02:59 pm
A Pakistani district magistrate has ordered all copies of the November 22nd issue of Newsweek magazine destroyed for publishing material that desecrates the Koran. Islamic groups in the country have said that an article about murdered Dutch film-maker Theo Van Gogh which also included pictures of a woman with Koranic verses inscribed on her body (Van Gogh had made a film critical of islamic culture), showed Western bias against Muslims. Pakistani authorities are considering legal action against Newsweek, but have given no details.

Quote:
Pakistan bans Newsweek magazine

The latest issue of US news magazine Newsweek has been banned in Pakistan for publishing material that "desecrates the Koran".
A district magistrate in the capital, Islamabad, ordered all copies of the 22 November issue to be destroyed.


The issue contains an article about murdered Dutch film-maker Theo Van Gogh and pictures of a woman with Koranic verses inscribed on her body.

Islamic parties said the article showed Western bias against Muslims.


Controversial film


Magistrate Tariq Mahmood Pirzada said the article, Clash of Civilisations, "contained some objectionable remarks which are tantamount to desecration of the Koran".

Authorities said they were considering legal action against the publication, although they gave no further details.


The ban may have little effect on sales - the 22 November issue has already been superseded by the 29 November edition.

An Islamabad vendor told Associated Press Television News the 22 November issue had sold 50% more than other editions of the magazine.

The Dawn newspaper said the article was a "naked attack on Muslims' faith. It hurts the feelings of over a billion inhabitants of this Earth".

Van Gogh, 47, had made a controversial film critical of Islamic culture.

Intended to illustrate domestic violence in Muslim societies, it featured images of Koranic verses daubed on semi-naked women.


He was shot and stabbed to death in Amsterdam on 2 November.

Several men, all believed to be Islamic radicals, have been arrested in connection with his death. The alleged killer is Mohammed Bouyeri, a 26-year-old Dutch-Moroccan.

Mosques in several Dutch cities have been the targets of vandalism and failed arson attempts since the killing.

Source: BBC
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australia
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2004 06:34 am
This is the beginning!
This incident typifies the way the world is today. An absolute deluge of muslim people to practically every western country combined with a totally insane politically correct philosophy by the western world. I have been to Europe many times and it is getting worse every time I go there. Within my lifetime, most European countries will be muslim countries. It is unbelievable how stupid western society can be!
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2004 08:15 am
australia
Eventually, after the usual appeasement, the Europeans will wake up and fight back. Of course by than they will looking to the support of the US.
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australia
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2004 02:12 am
Au1929

I wish it were so but I dobut it. The europeans are so politically correct that they let practically anyone into the country. And to make matters worse, with the EU countries increasing, there are no borders. It is sad to see how Europe is destroying itself.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2004 08:42 am
For centuries the European colonial powers have taken [colonized] the Moslem nations and every where else they could lay hands on and made them part of their empires. Prerhaps the tables are turning? :wink:
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2004 08:53 am
australia wrote:
The europeans are so politically correct that they let practically anyone into the country.

Nonsense.
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australia
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2004 03:16 pm
au1929: I agree with this statement. The colonisation of Africa by Europe will turn out to be Europes biggest downfall.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2004 03:17 pm
nimh wrote:
australia wrote:
The europeans are so politically correct that they let practically anyone into the country.

Nonsense.


Neat.

Concise.

True.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2004 08:19 pm
Bookmark
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Einherjar
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2004 11:50 pm
I'm part of the "reality based community" along with nimh and dlowan.
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australia
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2004 11:54 pm
Good for you Einherjar. I hope you enjoy the influx of muslim immigrants into your country.
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