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Anti-Muslim Dutch politicians in hiding after death threats

 
 
nimh
 
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Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2006 03:53 pm
Odd, I would have thought the right to demonstrate was one of those "aspects of Western democracy" we all have to abide by.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2006 04:00 pm
Meanwhile, in Holland, news of a curious film ...

I'm fiercely against the new entrance examinations (at least the way they've been set up); but I'll have to side with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and against Abdou Menebhi, re: the film.


Here's my summary, but read the whole thing (title = link):

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2006/03/16 ยท International Herald Tribune

Not exactly a run-of-the-mill homework assignment: watch a film clip of an attractive woman sunbathing topless and try not to be shocked. "People do not make a fuss about nudity," the narrator explains. That lesson, about the Netherlands' nude beaches, is followed by another: homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals, including the chance to marry - cue two men kissing in a meadow.

The scenes are part of a film the Dutch government made to prepare potential immigrants for a new entrance examination. The examination follows increased age and income requirements on certain groups of immigrants. Citizens of some countries, however, including the US and EU nations, are exempt from the examination.

Opponents of the tightening immigration policies have called the film an attempt by the government to discourage applicants from Islamic countries, who may be offended by its content. Dutch politicians dismissed this, saying that the film will give potential immigrants an honest look at the way life is lived here.

The film indulges in a dose of Dutch frankness, also featuring a run-down neighborhood largely populated by foreigners, plus interviews with immigrants who do not always describe the Dutch in flattering terms, calling them "cold" and "distant." It warns of traffic jams, integration problems, unemployment and even possible flooding. Ayaan Hirsi Ali compares the film it to all the consumer warning signs one finds in the US.
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herberts
 
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Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2006 06:46 pm
nimh...
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Odd, I would have thought the right to demonstrate was one of those "aspects of Western democracy" we all have to abide by.


Disingenuous and simplistic crap which deliberately side-steps the point being made.

The protest march by Muslims was very much in the nature of it having been an exercise in 'up-yours' non-assimilationist politics.

Instead of these escapees from Islamic oppression and Third World poverty having had the good grace to fall into line with the liberal practices
which flourish under the privileges of Western democracy - these immigrant ingrates chose instead to bitch and whine that their alien lunacies are
not being sufficiently respected by Western society.

They should all of them have been placed in detention to await deportation via the excellent services of the new A380 Airbus.... a vehicle which is
sufficiently commodious to transport all of these hypocritical protesters and their families back to their Islamic paradise in just the one trip.

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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2006 07:17 pm
herberts wrote:
Instead of [..] having had the good grace to fall into line with the liberal practices

Ah yes ... such liberal practices as demanding everyone "to fall into line" or be deported..
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herberts
 
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Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2006 08:15 pm
Once again you are trying to run a counter-argument by deliberately addressing something quite different to the point I have been making - to wit - it is utter hypocrisy for these Muslims to have emigrated to another man's secular democracy in order to escape the oppressions and social tyrannies of Islamic society - but then, once settled into the new homeland - start organising their ghetto communities to go on protest marches in high indignation against the very same principles of democracy which in the first place has provided them with a safe haven away from the small-minded persecutions and the theocratic tyrannies of their medieval former homelands.

They have clearly demonstrated themselves to be white ants gnawing away at the democratic institutions and underpinnings of Western society.

Muslims living overseas in their Islamic insect-colony societies I excuse from this criticism. It's part of their culture to riot and demonstrate at the drop of an infidel hat or an imam's prayer book.

But if our own imported Muslims cannot accept even the most mild of lampooning humour regarding their prophet - then this alone is clear evidence these people should never have in the first place been given admission into Western society.

We've imported two-faced culturally-retarded hypocrites whose citizenship pledges were nothing more than an economic expedient and a mendacious farce.

If these Islamic idiots are not with us - then they are against us. Too often we witness this alien community wishing to impose their medieval values system upon the very same Western host nations whose generous largess has for the past 40-years been busy relieving they and their compatriots from the oppressions of their erstwhile medieval life-styles.

Those A380 Airbuses will soon be sitting on the tarmac and warming their engines in readiness to ferry away by the hundreds the sort of alien colonialists to Western society who deserve nothing better than a one-way ticket back to their cess-pool Islamic homelands.
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herberts
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 09:31 pm
nimh...
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Odd, I would have thought the right to demonstrate was one of those "aspects of Western democracy" we all have to abide by.


In view of recent events that's almost assinine.

London's firebrand imam Abu Hamza preached his anti-Western vitriol and his advocacy for violent jihad for yearswith the full blessing of the UK's nimhs-and-knuckleheads who defended his lunatic ravings as his 'civil right' under the constitution of a democracy.

While the commonsense of the ordinary UK citizen would have had this maniac either deported or locked away at Her Majesty's pleasure within only a few short weeks of his starting to preach his advocacy for mass-murder for the Greater Glory of Allah - the liberal trendies, on the other hand... the 'nimhs' of Britain's polity, and its judiciary, and its police hierarchy all baulked at curtailing the freedom of this walking time-bomb to foment and incite in the Muslim youth of Britain an attitude of violent jihad against 'the enemies of Islam'.

And so, consequently - thanks to the Wise Counsel and the Exalted Intellect of the nimh-clones of Great Britain's Establishment - 52 innocent lives were lost to a pack of UK-born Muslims who had taken their cue from the ravings and rantings of those just the likes of Abu Hamza of Finsbury Park.

Take a bow, nimh.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 09:49 pm
I think Abu Hamza should have been taken to court much earlier.

I think that participants in that London demo who carried around placards calling for people's deaths could be taken to court as well.

I dont think that demonstrating against those cartoons in itself can ever be reason for deportation in a state that prides itself on its "liberal practices" - or any democratic country, period.
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herberts
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 11:27 pm
nimh...
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I think Abu Hamza should have been taken to court much earlier.


And what would you have been telling the likes of me prior to the London Underground massacre... ? A very different story I dare say... full of moral righteousness and lectures about 'democracy'.

Those in positions of authority who had the power to put a stop to Abu Hamza preaching his jihad violence upon the streets of London - but who did nothing to stop him - should every one of them be going to jail for gross dereliction of duty.

Their prissy reluctance to close this bastard down despite his years of preaching hatred upon the streets of London was part-way responsible for what happened in London's Underground. Those who did nothing to stop this man - and many other firebrand imams like him - are all guilty of passive conspiracy by reason of dereliction of duty.

It's a damned disgrace that only Abu Hamza has been taken before the Criminal Courts on charges of inciting violence. Those who year in year out connived with this lunatic's ravings by doing absolutely nothing so as not to offend the 'sensitivities' of UK-based Muslims are equally as guilty as he.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 11:55 pm
herberts wrote:
And what would you have been telling the likes of me prior to the London Underground massacre... ? A very different story I dare say...

Nope.
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herberts
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2006 04:45 am
Pig's arse.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 08:09 am
herberts wrote:

London's firebrand imam Abu Hamza preached his anti-Western vitriol and his advocacy for violent jihad for yearswith the full blessing of the UK's nimhs-and-knuckleheads who defended his lunatic ravings as his 'civil right' under the constitution of a democracy.
MI5 and Special Branch allowed him to shout his mouth off. They interviewed him at least twice, and let him carry on. In Afghanistan he was our asset against the Soviets.

It was only after his ravings inspired the London Tube bombings that someone at MI5 decided Hamza was no longer any use. The French DSI had been going nuts with the British for tolerating people like Hamza in London. They didnt call it Londonistan for nothing.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 11:06 am
More from the crazy world of Dutch asylum policy ... Syrian government officials want to interrogate Syrians in the Netherlands? And they insist that, please, could any Dutch official kindly leave the room as they have a talk with the person in question? Sure, why not?

Shocked Evil or Very Mad

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herberts
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 04:17 pm
Steve...
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MI5 and Special Branch allowed him to shout his mouth off. They interviewed him at least twice, and let him carry on.


Years and years of this Islamic demagogue preaching his vile hatred upon the streets of London... and yet...
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'They interviewed him at least twice... '


All of TWO times?! Wow. How very thoughtful of them. How very dutiful.

Thank you Steve for confirming what we already know: Britain's political administration and its top echelons of Homeland Security and metropolitan police force have long-since been hijacked by limp-wristed liberal-elites who are only too happy to jeopardise national security if it means not having to arouse ethnic minority resentments against the Establishment.

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It was only after his ravings inspired the London Tube bombings that someone at MI5 decided Hamza was no longer any use.


Let me paraphrase that as it should be:
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It was only after his ravings inspired the London Tube bombings that the political-elite were able to summon up the balls to face UK-Muslim paranoia for him being arrested as a public menace to the security of the nation.


It took the sissies of Britain's political administration the loss of 52-innocent lives to supply them with enough testicle to go arrest this UK-based bin Laden-loving Muslim. Prior to the bombing the girls who run Britain were too much afraid of a backlash from Britain's Muslim community for daring to arrest one of their own.
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herberts
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 04:29 pm
What Britain needs, Steve, is a no-nonsense ballsy Prime Minister like Denmark's Anders Fogh Rasmussen who isn't at all afraid to tell his local Muslim leaders to go take a flying leap with their 'requests' for this and that.
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herberts
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 04:52 pm
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The deportations of Syrians questioned by the government delegation have been put on hold until parliament debates the issue again next week.


Isn't that just so typical. Try to deport these fraudulent 'refugees' claimants back to their Islamic homelands and in very quick time whole legions of leftwing-liberal home-based and international do-gooder organisation emerge from the woodwork to cooperate with one another in frustrating and inhibiting these deportations with the use of every legal trick and spurious device they can muster.

We've had the same crap happening here in Australia for yonkers... and so far the Legal Left and their cohorts in government have been winning hands down to prevent the deportation of fraulent asylum-seekers.

The Left will not be happy until Western society is totally and terminally compromised by the voting-power of large Muslim minority electorates all across Eurabia, Scandinavia and Great Britain.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 11:25 pm
It's interesting that you obviously support the loose of national sovereignity to foreign countries.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 11:39 pm
herberts wrote:

The Left will not be happy until Western society is totally and terminally compromised by the voting-power of large Muslim minority electorates all across Eurabia, Scandinavia and Great Britain.


The slammites themselves are basically just people; the problem is the bullshit phony religion. We need to find ways to eliminate it.

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herberts
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 11:52 pm
Walter...
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It's interesting that you obviously support the loose of national sovereignity to foreign countries.


I agree the Dutch authorities should have sat in on those interviews being conducted by the Syrians. That was very remiss of Rita Verdonk. Quite rightly she has been publically censured for it. But let's not loose sight of the broad picture... ANY deportation of Muslims from Western society is a victory for preserving our nationhood and our Judeo-Christian culture.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 11:56 pm
herberts wrote:
ANY deportation of Muslims from Western society is a victory for preserving our nationhood and our Judeo-Christian culture.



Possibly some sort of a big catapault, or maybe even that super gun Saddam and Gerald Bull were working on....


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herberts
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 12:14 am
gungasnake...
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the problem is the bullshit phony religion. We need to find ways to eliminate it.


Laughing

No, gungasnake, we need to encourage Western Muslims to re-invent the Koran so that it reflects today's values and moral sensibilities in the context of modern-day civilisation.

The last thing that should be done is to forcibly deny a people their religion. In that direction lies holocaust and generations of vengeful hatred in the surviving progeny.

Islam needs the renaissance it never had. It needs to be re-defined in terms which are acceptable to civilised and decent people everywhere, of whatever religion and cultural background.

As for Muhammed having been a paedophile... I don't make too great an issue of this. Every era in history has had its sexual practices and its social mores which at the time were not considered a great moral evil.

Mid-Victorian London was stiff with child brothels whose chief patrons were the monied elite of London's High Society and the political administration. It was considered a bit naughty and darkly playful - but there was certainly no great outrage or witch-hunt over it.
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