herberts wrote:There's nothing more of an hilarious farce than to switch on the tele to watch a game of so-called 'British soccer' - only to find that both 'English' teams have at least half a dozen players with unpronounceable foreign surnames stitched across their shirts - and as if this were not absurd enough - even the coaches are similarly imported foreigners from Utrecht or Stockholm or wherever...
And then we have the bizarre spectacle in which we witness visiting cricketers being mobbed and lionised by seething packs of hysterical young fans who are the grandchildren of Pakistani, Indian and West Indian immigrants.... Hello... ?
They cant possibly win in your world, can they? I mean, applying your logic, they're doomed to be in the wrong no matter what they do.
If those immigrants and (grand)children of immigrants decide to play for a British team, you'll be grumbling about how they're spoiling and soiling the English character of British sport.
But if they stay away from those clubs and instead support the ones from their (parents') homeland, then you'll accuse them of foreign loyalties, grumbling about the "grandchildren of immigrants lionising" foreign teams.
Thats a nice catch 22 you've set up. But at least you'll be guaranteed to
always have a reason to hate them.
Btw, Dag is not an admin that I know of, tho who knows I might be wrong -- but as long as the username you see to the left does not say Moderator or Administrator, then the poster in question is guaranteed to be posting purely in an individual capacity and merely voicing his/her indvidual opinion. (I'm sure Timber will be along to explain further.)
herberts wrote:
That's my rant for today. I await with breathless anticipation your one-line 'loaded' response, Steve...
oh no it wasnt...
And incidentally Steve, I haven't given a flying fluk about British sport ever since the PC nazis banned it from being 'English' - and turned it into an idealistic Socialist Utopian Wet-Dream Idealof multicultural/ multi-racial/ polyglot/cosmopolitan 'One-World' International Socialist Utopian Wet-Dream.
There's nothing more of an hilarious farce than to switch on the tele to watch a game of so-called 'British soccer' - only to find that both 'English' teams have at least half a dozen players with unpronounceable foreign surnames stitched across their shirts - and as if this were not absurd enough - even the coaches are similarly imported foreigners from Utrecht or Stockholm or wherever...
And then we have the bizarre spectacle in which we witness visiting cricketers being mobbed and lionised by seething packs of hysterical young fans who are the grandchildren of Pakistani, Indian and West Indian immigrants.... Hello... ?
You really are a racist aren't you...your problem not mine. You ought to chill out a bit El Herberto. Relax grab a beer and watch England win the World Cup in June...
Why AYAAN HIRSI is keeping quite now.
Hi all,
I am back after a long period.I couldn't log in to our favourite able2know for various reasons.My yahoo e-mail got hijacked and couldn't log in with enough credentials.
My main topic has been about "Why AYAAN HIRSI has started keeping quite of late".
Ayaan has kept quite for sometime now except in showing solidarity with the cartoons saga, is it a show off(she is deviating from her own reasons), reasons best known to her but which have something to do with her "Lethal" ANTI -ISLAM topic about rights of Women in Islam.While I have previously posted a lot about "my fellow Somali", we now realize that many Western women are rapidly converting to ISLAM enmasse thanks to the Internet and Islamic materials available online.
People are now more learned, The internet is there for all.With one click, you can figure out what ISLAM says about women and differentiate the "Authentic Islamic materials) before making people feel fools.She has taken The whole of the "Great Netherlands)..for granted.She doesn't know How I support the same country in Football.
As I said before, ISLAM dedicated a whole chapter in the HOLY QURAAN(Islamic Holy Book) while MEN have no chapter.That is the first step to show the seriousness ISLAM has to address about WOMEN.
Although several cultures are there, If you read the HOLY QURAAN, you will see it touches so much on aspects that really talk about morality, modesty, joy and happiness, kind and humbleness in relationships and marraiges and a host of other details.I think in this era of the 21st century, it helps a lot in relations to the dreadly AIDS, Condoms, swingers and so on.
There is no verse in the whole QURAAN that talks about "The Evil Temptress" which is found everywhere..in various books.The Holy Quraan talks about "MARY" jesus mother as Humble and straight..and even clarifies that man and woman are "garments" of each other.so they should "wear each other"..There is no place written A WOMAN is a garment of a MAN.
NEVER....
see some of the verses from the HOLY QURAAN....
In spiritual terms, God says in chapter ,
[4:124]
"If any do deeds of righteousness - be they male or female - and have faith, they will enter Paradise, and not the least injustice will be done to them."
and also talks about equality in religions and worldly affairs in chapter
[33:35]
"For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for truthful men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in charity, for men and women who fast, for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah's praise, for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward".
While explaining all these in details, AYAAN keeps quite because her business of criticisng ISLAM is laid OPEN..is "self centred" .She has no clue about ISLAM or ISLAMIC teachings.She is given "credible" honour for nothing.It would be better if she knew what ISLAM says about women.
If she is a Somali like me, a muslim and worth her salt, let her come and explain why she arrived "criticising" ISLAM without having "read" enough to know that a "whole chapter" about WOMEN has been dedicated by the HOLY QURAAN.She better come in public not through closed doors.
Everything is about dialogue.Everyone knows the truth.
That is why AYAAN has decided to just keep quite.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali hasnt been keeping quiet at all. She was in the frontpage headlines just last week, with an interesting take on the trial of the Islamist Hofstad conspirators. (I'll come back to that later today or tomorrow.)
Steve und nimh... you're both pretending ignorance here. You know damned well that for at least the past 30-years national soccer clubs have been turned on their head due to the introduction of leasing and renting of players from the international pool.
It's made so-called home-team soccer an utter farce for these being composed of a half dozen rented players from foreign clubs who hardly know which country they're in... and the dopey soccer fans at the games in the UK have swallowed this multi-racial, multi-cultural, multi-national fraudulent bullsh*t hook line and sinker.
In my day home-teams were composed of players from the British Isles... and many of them lived and worked in your local area. Those were the days when an English club team really was composed of Englishmen... what a concept!
It's a bit like me in Australia here hiring a world-class athlete from the university of Dalton, Ohio to come run and win a 100-meters dash for me at my local meet... and then he wins... upon which I sit back and preen myself while my neighbours crowd around and congratulate me in admiration of my 'achievement'...
Give me a break, guys - winning club or national soccer games upon the backs of rented foreigners is pure fraud - and pure farce.
Hmm, and in those old days, when there were only native Australians on that continent ...
Steve...
Quote:You really are a racist aren't you...your problem not mine. You ought to chill out a bit El Herberto. Relax grab a beer and watch England win the World Cup in June...
Yes Steve, you're quite correct - I
am a racist. I'm not part of the international black brotherhood who high-five each other as code for excluding white folk from their primary sympathies - and nor am I a member of the Islamic diaspora whose UK-born sons and daughters sympathise with the murderous deeds of their religious compatriots for no other reason than to maintain Islamic solidarity against the hated infidel.
"... watch England win the World Cup in June.. " ... ? What a farce! Remember when France won the European cup and it came to light that of the 11 players a full
7[/u] were immigrants who had no real French credentials whatsoever except they had bits of paper which stated they were officially registered as French... ? Fine team and 'well done boys' - but please don't try to hustle this bullsh*t as having been a genuinely French team.
Black basketball players... black boxers... black short-distance runners... black marathon runners... black soccer aces.... white guys can't give them any competition worth spit.
Walter...
Quote:Hmm, and in those old days, when there were only native Australians on that continent ...
Roger that, Walter. I've sent this cryptic message off to
Bletchley Park for decoding. I'll get back to you when the boffins have given me the translation of this enigma.
Meanwhile, fear not - your secret's safe with me.
herberts wrote:Steve und nimh... you're both pretending ignorance here. You know damned well that for at least the past 30-years national soccer clubs have been turned on their head due to the introduction of leasing and renting of players from the international pool.
It's made so-called home-team soccer an utter farce for these being composed of a half dozen rented players from foreign clubs who hardly know which country they're in... and the dopey soccer fans at the games in the UK have swallowed this multi-racial, multi-cultural, multi-national fraudulent bullsh*t hook line and sinker.
In my day home-teams were composed of players from the British Isles... and many of them lived and worked in your local area. Those were the days when an English club team really was composed of Englishmen... what a concept!
It's a bit like me in Australia here hiring a world-class athlete from the university of Dalton, Ohio to come run and win a 100-meters dash for me at my local meet... and then he wins... upon which I sit back and preen myself while my neighbours crowd around and congratulate me in admiration of my 'achievement'...
Give me a break, guys - winning club or national soccer games upon the backs of rented foreigners is pure fraud - and pure farce.
Its the way of the world H. What you gonna do? Go back to the days of Yorkshire county Cricket Club... only selecting players born in Yorkshire? They did that for many years, and were relegated.
Football clubs are mostly quoted companies these days anyway. Their primary duty is to their shareholders. They are entertainment companies and merchandise vendors, the product is almost immaterial.
Most people would agree that so long as a player shows dedication and commitment to the game and his team, it doesnt matter what team he actually plays for and certainly not the the colour of his skin or his funny foreign name. Conversely when they sit back and do nothing for their £20k per week they should be led away from the ground and shot.
Its the commercialisation of football, not the game or the racial make up of teams that puts me off these days. Far better a good honest game, without the money...speaking of which the Cheltenham Festival is on at the moment
nimh wrote:Ayaan Hirsi Ali hasnt been keeping quiet at all. She was in the frontpage headlines just last week, with an interesting take on the trial of the Islamist Hofstad conspirators. (I'll come back to that later today or tomorrow.)
Nimh, Atleast she is not sticking to her main point "Women have no rights in Islam"
I think since everyone has seen that ISLAM answered all those stereotyped questions and imaginations, It was worth NOTING she atleast doesn't talk so much about "RIGHTS" and "rights of women in islam"..I meant she may have read them online and understood Why ISLAM gave women many rights 1400yrs ago.
By just typing your favourite search engine, look for authentic ISLAMIC "Rights of Women" In islam
like these one:
Deedat Books
and
Misconceptions against ISLAM
and
My blog
Edit [Moderator]: Link removed
dalahow2 wrote:
At least she is not sticking to her main point "Women have no rights in Islam"
Ayaan Hirsi Ali never said that women in Islam have no rights. She has said that they have less rights than men and that the rules of Islam discriminate against women in favour of men. And all this she has very well supported.
The rights granted to women by Islam were perhaps an improvement in the pastoral Arab society 1400 years ago, but in the world of today they are archaic throwbacks to medieval times.
shake deadbat
do you really expect your "religion" to be taken seriously when its proponents have such silly names?
islam, but not the Muslims, is a pernicious political creed which should have expired several hundred years ago.
Infidel Steve...
Quote:islam, but not the Muslims, is a pernicious political creed which should have expired several hundred years ago.
At last!
At least that's a start in the re-education of one 'Steve 41oo'. A ray of sunshine where before there has been only the stygian darkness of political correctness.
Quote:"... but not the Muslims"
As he well knows - that's a bit of namby-pamby horse-sh*t and PC frippery of course, but I don't want to discourage Steve at this early stage of his rehabilitation to Reality. (Softly softly catchee monkey...
... )
It can be said, of course, that Muslims based in Western societies should be held fully morally accountable for their continuing to embrace a religion-sanctioned social code which is singularly notable amongst all of the world's major religions for its holding to the most barbaric and pre-medieval of views upon a whole range of political, moral, gender, and social issues.
Steve...
Quote:Its the way of the world H. What you gonna do?
I'll get back to you later when I've mopped up the vomitus this lame plea of yours has inspired in me...
Nothing 'just happens' - EVERYTHING in human society is the cause of one interest party or another doing a bit of social engineering on the sly to further their ideological agendas...
And what has been wrought over a period of years by the liberal-socialist One-Worlder wankers in our society - can just as easily be undone if given a mandate from the Silent Majority.
In Walter's neck of the woods - in the Schwarzwald region of Germany to be exact - certain enlightened party-political figures and regional leaders have began to legislate for new policies designed to nullify and roll back their 40-years of having to live under the dictates of a politically correct submission to the Holy Cow of immigrant demands for colonisation rights under the aegis of 'multiculturalism'...
Please accept my sincerest congratulations Walter Hinteler for this spark of sanity having been demonstrated by your courageous local gauleiter and his various minions and council members. I've been wearing my lederhosen all this week in celebration of this happy event.
Quote:Would you write the name you'd like to use here, and your real name there?" asked the girl at reception. I had just been driven to a hotel in the Hague. An hour earlier I'd been greeted at Amsterdam airport by a man holding a sign with a pre-agreed cipher. I hadn't known where I would be staying, or where I would be speaking. The secrecy was necessary: I had come to Holland to talk about Islam.
Quote:Where Holland has gone, Britain and the rest of Europe are following. The silencing happens bit by bit. A student paper in Britain that ran the Danish cartoons got pulped. A London magazine withdrew the cartoons from its website after the British police informed the editor they could not protect him, his staff, or his offices from attack. This happened only days before the police provided 500 officers to protect a "peaceful" Muslim protest in Trafalgar Square.
Quote:As I left the Netherlands I once again felt terrible sorrow for a country that is slowly being lost. A society which should be carefree and inspiring has become dark and worried. The jihad in Europe is winning. And Holland, and our continent, takes one step further into a dark and menacing future.
RealityCheck...
And we're going to deserve every damn thing that's coming to us. Even at this late stage not one Western nation has had the political guts to put a halt to any further Islamic immigration.
moreover when I asked you a serious question i.e. what are you going to do about the reality of significant ethnic groups who have not integrated, you just vomit.
The fact is Herberts you haven't a clue what to do about it....or if you have you daren't talk about it because you know full well where it would lead. <insert appropriate emoticon here>
Steve...
Quote: The difference between us is that I dislike Islam as a religious/political philosopy. But you hold in contempt the actual people who have those ideas - not so much for their beliefs, but because they are non-white.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-2058502,00.html ==
Quote:The governments of Europe have been tricked into believing that criticism of a belief is the same thing as criticism of a race. And so it is becoming increasingly difficult and dangerous to criticise a growing and powerful ideology within our midst. It may soon, in addition, be made illegal
This is how the lefties have tried (very successfully) to close down any debate on the subject of Islam having invaded the West through the immigration and refugees bandwagon.
Just listen to yourself again, Steve, and try to spot the absurdity:
Quote: The difference between us is that I dislike Islam as a religious/political philosopy. But you hold in contempt the actual people who have those ideas...
er... yeah.
Let's try to see this in a different context for the sake of clarity..
Steve:
Quote:The difference between us is that I dislike White Supremacist organisations as a religious/political philosopy. But you hold in contempt the actual people who have those ideas...
Hellooooo...?
We've just recently witnessed 500 fraudulent UK-based Muslims marching through London on a protest about some cartoons having been published in the Western press.
I would have their names - and their addresses - and have each and every one them forcibly bundled out of the country for having settled in the UK under the false pretence of having agreed to support and abide by all aspects of Western democracy.
I have absolutely no complaints or issues with those Muslims living in their own Islamic societies who went ape-sh*t over the publishing of those Danish cartoons. Such behaviour is an appropriate reflection of the society they live in. There is no two-faced hypocrisy there.
But it is a vastly different matter when Muslims migrate to Britain under the understanding that Western rules and cultural practices be agreed to - but then go on a protest march when this selfsame Western democracy happens to manifest itself with the printing of a few cartoons.
