Fifth most popular, not one in five.
The number's still funky.
I think alla you fellas need to review the math.
Turns out it's not fifth most popular in any case - it has simply entered the top twenty.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4148335.stm
Quote:Mohammed has become one of the most popular names for baby boys in England and Wales.
It entered the top 20 most commonly chosen names for 2004 baby boys for the first time ever, according to the Office for National Statistics.
But there was little change at the top with Jack and Emily retaining their status as the most popular name for newborn boys and girls.
Charlie was a big climber in the boys' chart as was Evie for the girls.
BOYS' TOP 10
1. Jack
2. Joshua
3. Thomas
4. James
5. Daniel
6. Samuel
7. Oliver
8. William
9. Benjamin
10. Joseph
Parents of baby boys have remained consistent in their choices. The top five of Jack, Joshua, Thomas, James and Daniel have remained the same since 2002.
ehBeth wrote:Fifth most popular, not one in five.
I think alla you fellas need to review the math.
Whaddaya think we've been doing, hon? No, "fifth most popular" doesnt mean one in five obviously, in fact it's not 20% by far, its more like 1,5%. You're only the fourth person to tell him so ... but it deserved repeating I suppose.
and it's not fifth most popular
not even twentieth most popular any more ... it fell back down to 23 in 2005
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/specials/babiesnames_boys.asp
looking for the source helped
No, you're right - it didnt deserve repeating.
(Especially not accompanied with a putdown to the three "fellas" who'd just pointed out the very same thing, even if you hadnt gotten it.)
Oh and in the one defence of Herberts I will ever muster, he didnt actually write that "Mohammed" came in no 5 - he said "Mohammed, with its differently spelled variants" is now the fifth most popular given name. To verify that, you'd have to add up those different spellings, which you didnt. So tho I love to see Herberts put right, your second point is kinda irrelevant as well, so far.
"The fifth most popular boys name"....
You've got 100 babies in a nursery. If a fifth of them are given the name 'Mohammed' - then what percentage of the total is this but 20%... ? Or 20 of the babies.
If it was One Quarter of One Hundred babies there would be 25 babies named Mo.
Right?
Huh?
Cod-liver-oil helps, perhaps, when taken early and often enough.
And some private math hours.
Herberts,
If you have 100 baby boys in a nursery and 50 are called John, 20 Tom, 15 Dick and 14 Harry and one is called Muhammed, then Muhammed is the fifth most popular name even though it represents only one percent of the total. In other words, the ranking as fifth does not say anything about the percentage of names.
Demographic statistics, like any statistics, are very open to various (mis)representations.
ehBeth wrote:Fifth most popular, not one in five.
The number's still funky.
I think alla you fellas need to review the math.
except me walter and nimb.
But nimh and I did so without the help of a teacher!
Walter Hinteler wrote:But nimh and I did so without the help of a teacher!
you dont expect me to just take your word on this?
tangentially relevant I suppose:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/03/06/uvicar.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/03/06/ixportaltop.html
Quote:A vicar whose daughter was killed in the July 7 London bombings is to step down from her position after she admitted the terrorist attacks made her question her faith.
The funderal of Jenny Nicholson
Over 1,000 people attended Miss Nicholson's funeral
The Rev Julie Nicholson said she was having difficulty reconciling her feelings over her daughter's death with her role as a priest at St Aidan Church in the St George area of Bristol.
Jenny Nicholson, 24, who lived with her boyfriend in Reading, Berkshire, died in the explosion at Edgware Road Tube station.
Thanks Paaskynen for your timely intervention.
Er... now let me see. Basically your message is that the figures are rubbery and can be stretched into any shape which takes your fancy.
But it still remains that the name 'Mohammed' - or its derivations - are the fifth most popular boys name in certain parts of Britain - and I think this is an absolute damned disgrace of the first order on the part of politicians whose duty it has been to preserve and protect British society against foreign encroachment and invasion.
I like this really British 'Joshua', which is ony a runner up as 2nd to Jack in 2005.
Samuel is very British on 7th, too, or Callum as No. 15 in last year's list.
Ethan on the 17th place shows a lot of old style British patriotism as well as Alfie on position 22.
(You mentioned Mohammed in 23 in the
statistics already.)
Europe is burning! Authochtonous Europeans are cowering in their unsafe cities, barred from entering the no-go zones for whites and coppers. A righteous uprising is in the making! Young Moroccan thugs rape our daughters, rob our grannies! Our nation is in a state of near-terror. Islamic fundamentalists are everywhere! A man cant speak his mind anymore for fear of having his throat slit. The Dutch are angry, the foreigners fearsome! Whole city neighbourhoods have turned into homogenous Muslim zones where the Sha'ria rules. We're in a crisis!
Right?
And then there were local elections today, around the country. Most all the Dutch went to vote - in the first elections since 2003.
Surely the outrage found its expression! The war we are in! The war between law-abiding Dutch citizens and the Islamist enemy!
Right?
Nope ... not really, apparently.
In today's elections:
- the opposition, leftwing Labour Party won 638 local council seats.
- the Socialist Party on the far left won 168 seats.
- the local parties, including the Pim Fortuyn-inspired "Livable" parties, lost 306 seats.
- the right-wing VVD, which with its integration minister Verdonk has adopted much of the anti-immigration rhetorics of the Fortuynists, lost 119 seats.
- the right-wing Christian-Democrats of Prime Minister Balkenende lost 295 seats.
Its a tremendous slide to the left across the country.
Never before have both Labour and the Socialists won big, even as their only direct competitor, the Green Left remained all but stable.
How can that be, if the country is in the crisis that domestic Muslim-bashers and the National Review readers from across the ocean tell us about?
Opinion pollster Maurice de Hondt asked voters what were the topics that were important in determining their vote. Here's the list of the top ones:
(Un)employment 62%
Poverty 59%
Traffic problems 57%
Housing (costs) 51%
Education 46%
Safety / crime 42%
Integration 42%
Traffic / reachibility 39%
Street safety / crime 35%
Hm. Anyone in the mood for revisiting their assumptions?
OK, so what about the big cities? The multicultural metropoles where the supposed no-go zones rule?
In AMSTERDAM
- Labour won 11% and got 39%
- The Green Left won 1% and got 14%
- The Socialists won 6% and got 13%
In total, the leftwing parties got 68,4%, up from some 53% four years ago.
- The Fortuynist "Livable Amsterdam" on the other hand went form 5% to 1%.
In ROTTERDAM
This is the city where Pim Fortuyn himself led the newly-founded local Livable Rotterdam to a landslide victory from nowhere in 2002; two months before his murder on the eve of the national elections, in which his List Fortuyn would surge from zero to 17%, he led Livable Rotterdam from 0% to 35%.
Livable Rotterdam formed a rightwing coalition with the Christian-Democrats and the VVD. The Labour Party, historical ruler of this city, went into exile.
This year, the elections turned into a "boxing match". Livable Rotterdam fought a strident campaign, with an alderwoman proposing forcible abortions for Antillean teenage mothers (see above). It held its ground, but not enough.
The Fortuynist right-wing government loses 12% in total and is left with 43%. The left gains 15% and comes to 48%: a majority in the city council.
- The Labour Party wins 15% and gets 37%
- Livable Rotterdam loses 5% and gets 30%
- The Socialists win 3% and get 7%
- The Christian-Democrats and VVD lose 4% each and are left with 8% and 6%.
In UTRECHT:
The populist Livable Utrecht, the original precursor to the whole Livable/Fortuyn revolution is wiped off from the map. The Labour Party, traditionally in control of this city, more than doubles its vote and becomes by far the largest again.
- The Labour Party wins 17% and gets 30%
- The Green Left, the most multicultural party of all, remains stable at 15%
- The Socialist Party wins 5% and gets 11%
- Livable Utrecht loses three-quarters of its vote. It drops from 29% to 7%.
The leftwing parties gain a majority of 56%, up from 35% in 2002.
In THE HAGUE:
- The Labour Party wins 8% and gets 28%
- The Socialist Party wins 3% and gets 8%
- The Fortuynist "Livable The Hague" loses 7% and is left with 1%.
A total of 20 parties took part in The Hague. The biggest newcomer is the Islamic Democrats, who get 3% of the vote - just slightly more than the List Pim Fortuyn.
IN OTHER CITIES:
- In Eindhoven, the fifth largest city, Livable Eindhoven loses 12% and is left with just 7%. Labour and the Socialists win 9% and 5%, respectively - the Socialists become the third largest party after Labour and the VVD. Together with the Green Left, the leftwing parties get 47%.
- In Heerlen, the heart of the former mining zone of Eastern-Limburg, the Socialist Party wins 10% and comes to 30%. Though it has just 9 out of 150 seats in the national parliament, it is now the largest party in this city of 90,000 - one of seven councils where it is the largest (up from 4). Labour comes in second at 19%. The vote for Livable Heerlen on the other hand is more than halved, from 16% to 8%.
- In Almere, one of those large commuter towns for the "refugees" from Amsterdam, Livable Almere sees its vote slashed from 22% to 11%. The leftwing parties win 17% and come to 44% in all.
- In Lelystad, in the same category, Livable Lelystad drops from 12% to 7%. Labour wins 7%; the Socialists win 6%.
- In Nijmegen, one of the first large cities in decades to get a fully-leftwing city government (rather than one of those "representative governments" in which all major parties work together), Labour wins 6%; the Socialists win 3% and the Green Left loses, but still gets to be the third largest party. Together they get 58%.
- In neighbouring Arnhem, the Labour Party wins 10% and gets 29%. The Socialists gain 8%, come to 15% and become the second largest party. Together, the leftwing parties get 54% (up from 37%).
- In Groningen, the largest city of the north, Labour, the Socialists and the Green Left come to 56%, up from 49%.
- In Schiedam, one of those poor working-class towns that surround Rotterdam, Livable Schiedam is more than halved, its vote slashed from 20% to 8%. Labour gains 13% and gets to 33%; the Socialists gain 7% and come to 14%, and are now the second largest party.
I dare say I'm feeling pretty good.
Pollster de Hondt had some 6,000 voters queried about what they would vote if it had been national elections held today.
Translated to the 150 seats of national parliament, this is what he found:
From left to right...
Code:The leftwing parties:
Socialist 17 (+ 8)
Green Left 10 (+ 2)
Labour 49 (+ 7)
The right-wing government:
Democrats 66 4 (- 2)
Christian-Democrats 31 (-13)
VVD (Right-wing liberal) 26 (- 2)
The Fortuynist far right:
List Pim Fortuyn 0 (- 8)
Freedom Party (Geert Wilders) 5 (+ 5)
Other:
Christian Union 5 (+ 2)
State Reformed Party 2 ( nc)
Party for the Animals 1 (+ 1)
Note: that would make 76 seats for the leftwing parties - a hypothetical majority of 1. This has never even remotely happened in Dutch electoral history. These parties have usually come in around the 40% bracket, when added up. The only time since 1917 that the left came to 75 seats in a national election was in 1998 - but only if you counted the Democrats 66, then still a slightly left of centre liberal party with 14 seats in pariament.
Yeah, things looking pretty good in my home country :wink:
About effin' time, too.
