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Anti-Muslim Dutch politicians in hiding after death threats

 
 
herberts
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2005 10:30 pm
You actually choose to live in London, Steve... ? This is virtually a public confession to being a homosexual.

As an intrepid schoolboy in my late teens I once ventured on my own to catch a train and go see the 'bright lights' of London as a day trip.

O grave folly... ! O callow and naive youth!

Alas and begorra, I soon found myself the centre of attraction for a gathering pack of stalking homosexuals who grinned at me in awful silence as we moved through the streets of London like an invisible band of ghosts on a strange mission.

Needless to say I never returned to enjoy the delights of England's capital city. And to this day, all these decades later - it would give me the greatest of pleasure if the London City Borough Council would grant me permission to construct a 10-metre high roaring bonfire in the middle of Hyde Park composed entirely of the executed carcasses of London's stalking homosexual community.

It would give me the greatest of joy to personally supply the petrol and the long kitchen matches for this very belated gala event. I would put Walter's Buchenwald to shame.

So, Steve, your confession has somewhat compromised your reputation with me. And Walter Hinteler - if you should happen to visit London for a holiday, make sure to keep well away from Steve's club - (where I have it on good authority that most of the 'action' takes place in the men's toilet... ).

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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2005 08:54 am
herberts wrote:
You actually choose to live in London, Steve... ?
outside actually, but near enough
This is virtually a public confession to being a homosexual.
what strange and twisted logic you employ

As an intrepid schoolboy in my late teens I once ventured on my own to catch a train and go see the 'bright lights' of London as a day trip.

O grave folly... ! O callow and naive youth!

a gay trip you say?

Alas and begorra, I soon found myself the centre of attraction for a gathering pack of stalking homosexuals who grinned at me in awful silence as we moved through the streets of London like an invisible band of ghosts on a strange mission.

Needless to say I never returned to enjoy the delights of England's capital city. And to this day, all these decades later - it would give me the greatest of pleasure if the London City Borough Council would grant me permission to construct a 10-metre high roaring bonfire in the middle of Hyde Park composed entirely of the executed carcasses of London's stalking homosexual community.

too late we had gay fawkes night last night

It would give me the greatest of joy to personally supply the petrol and the long kitchen matches for this very belated gala event. I would put Walter's Buchenwald to shame.

So, Steve, your confession has somewhat compromised your reputation with me. And Walter Hinteler - if you should happen to visit London for a holiday, make sure to keep well away from Steve's club - (where I have it on good authority that most of the 'action' takes place in the men's toilet... ).

what a very silly man you are sherbert.

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herberts
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2005 05:44 pm
I hit the nail on the head, didn't I Steve... ? Very Happy

Well, to make you feel a little less defensive let me say this. My only beef is with stalking and persistent homosexuals who don't give a damn that their lewd and uninvited 'attentions' might be causing distress and embarrassment to those they randomly target for staring and stalking and leering at.

If for no other reason than for sheer self-serving rudeness and disgraceful bad manners I would have these homosexual predators horse-whipped and tossed into the jug for a couple of years or so.

You will no doubt be happy to learn that I am otherwise no enemy of the gay community. In my time I have had gay friends, and lesbian friends, and a good pal of mine was openly a transvestite. I valued all their friendships.

So, Steve, next time you're down at the public baths disporting yourself half-naked with your friends - please tell them NOT to pursue and scare the wits out of country boys who are in town to enjoy the sights for the day.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2005 08:07 am
herberts wrote:
I hit the nail on the head, didn't I Steve... ?


No, you hit your thumb. And by the sound of it, had you hit your head, you would have done less damage.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2005 08:46 am
herberts wrote:
... I have had gay friends, and lesbian friends, and a good pal of mine was openly a transvestite...


For some strange reason I read the rest of your post. I know how lonely it can be in the countryside, and I'm quite tolerant of you enjoying the company of your gay lesbian and transvestite friends, but please, for hygiene reasons if nothing else, leave the sheep alone.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 10:02 pm
What is the male equivalent of a catfight? Anybody?

Anyway, while the researchers get busy,...http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051205/wl_nm/security_dutch_trial_dc

The trial of Van Gogh's murderer. Not very endearing...
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 06:57 am
you can say that again.

Herberts seems to have gone away btw

pity really I enjoy a good dogfight occasionally
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 07:33 pm
Me, too. LOVED that dogfight.

He must return!
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 11:51 am
yeah it was quite good...got me re reading some of it Smile

Come back sherbert sheep shagger, all is forgiven.
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herberts
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 04:10 am
So where were we before we were so rudely interrupted... ? http://www.xtrememass.com/forum//images/smilies/1214/cooleek3.gif

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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 10:35 am
glad to see you herberts. Where were we? It doesnt really matter where we were its the mutual abuse that counts eh? Happy Rude Year to you.
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herberts
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:25 pm
Thanks Steve... your heartfelt abusive Good Wishes for the New Year is much appreciated. At last a true friend who understands the highly under-rated virtues of inter-personal rudeness and anti-social attitudes. I'm just so sick and tired of people being forever disgustingly and boringly nice and polite and approving of me in my day-to-day existence. You're a real therapy Steve. A valued friend.

We've got to find more people to join us in our Rudeness Therapy Encounter Group. The more there are the more cathartic this will be for all of us. We might even start a world-wide movement which will replace the worst excesses of militant Islam and the television evangelists of America and...

Here's a tonic for you to cherish for a while 41oo... http://www.chatitaliachat.it/serpe/coches/47.gif
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:31 pm
herberts wrote:
You're a real therapy Steve. A valued friend.
Quite distressed to read this until I realised the implied sarcasm


....Smile
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herberts
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 04:12 pm
... implied abusive sarcasm! Rest assured I'm not going to let you down with politeness and approving sentiments here, 39oo. I owe you that much as a member of this club.

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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 04:23 pm
herberts wrote:
... implied abusive sarcasm! Rest assured I'm not going to let you down with politeness and approving sentiments here, 39oo. I owe you that much as a member of this club.

Cool
ok and its 41oo dont diminish me further you hear
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herberts
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 04:40 pm
... 40.999oo

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"True happiness is knowing everyone thinks you're a real shіt" (Herbertus, circa A.D. 2005)

Eat ya heart out Steve... http://nopc.antares-dev.com/yabbse//Images/smilies/sheep.gif
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 06:42 pm
Mysteriously, I seem to have failed to note one of the more, ehm, striking proposals that were recently made in Holland regarding integration, immigrants, etc...

Luckily, I was just summarising some news items on the issue for my work anyway, so I can add to my following post from 24 January on the Following the EU thread, below it...

nimh wrote:
You know, whenever the Germans think they can get away with something stupid, the Dutch are sure to try out something even more outrageous...

The latest idea from Dutch Integration Minister Verdonk: to require people to speak the Dutch language in public.

Yes, really.

The Dutch media, as the Radio Netherlands press review below shows, are skeptical - except for De Telegraaf, the country's biggest newspaper.

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Radio Netherlands Press Review Service
* Press Review - Monday 23 January 2006 - by Marijke van der Meer


[..] Mentally disturbed

Today's papers are full of discussion, jokes, commentary and reporting about the latest proposal to bring decency and manners back into Dutch public life. The proposal is to require people to speak the Dutch language in public.

"What mentally disturbed compatriot could possibly get it into their head to require everyone to speak Dutch on the street?" asks a columnist in De Volkskrant. His answer, "Mrs Verdonk." As every Dutch person knows, that is "Iron" Rita Verdonk, our famous minister of integration and immigration. But as everyone in all fairness quickly adds, this time she was inspired by a new code of public conduct drawn up in Rotterdam.

"Rotterdam: the biggest port in the world, the heart of provincial Netherlands", says the Amsterdam-based De Volkskrant. "And we all know who the minister is talking about when she suggests sweeping foreign languages like so much litter off the streets. She is not talking about Polish, or Russian, or any other European language, but about sounds made by people with a Muslim appearance, who usually wear long robes and have a tendency to carry suspicious-looking packages under their arms."

For De Telegraaf the idea of requiring people to speak Dutch in public, though it may seem childish, is not such an outrageous idea. "The failure to integrate minorities is often due to the lack of clarity about the norms of our society. A code of conduct could help everyone know what is expected of them."

The paper adds, "Immigrants should not hide behind a foreign language. It is silly to reject outright such a clear guideline from the start." [..]

The above is no longer online, but these are:

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Politicians heap ridicule on Verdonk's language drive
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My summary:

Quote:
2006/01/24 · Expatica

After Integration Minister Verdonk proposed a code of conduct to enhance the Dutch identity, which was to also compel everyone to speak Dutch in public, ironic references were rife in a parliamentary debate about new well-being legislation.

Using recently-adopted English expressions, Green Left MP Azough spoke of the "extreme make over" by the health ministry, List Fortuyn MP Kraneveldt asked about the "bling, bling" of the new law, and Democrat MP Bakker categorised new legal changes as "pimp my law". Other parliamentarians inserted references to "go, no go" and "comply or explain".

Meanwhile, the young Liberals of Verdonk's own party immediately rejected her proposal. But Verdonk said she believes non-native Dutch residents need rules that illustrate what is expected of them.

She later added in an interview [however] that she was not proposing a ban on other languages, merely a recommendation for people to use the local language.


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Comment: Verdonk's folly
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My summary:

Quote:
2006/01/30 · Expatica

Most of the sentiments outlined in the Rotterdam Citizenship Code that was drawn up by the Rotterdam municipality are admirable. So admirable, Immigration and Integration Minster Rita Verdonk thinks it is a model for the entire Netherlands.

Critics - there were a lot of them - immediately attacked Verdonk's emphasis on one of the points: she came out and suggested Dutch should be compulsory in public. She backtracked later in face of widespread opposition (and ridicule). But it is clear Verdonk sees the code purely in terms of another tool to chastise newcomers and foreigners.


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Turkey Reacts to Language Restriction in Netherlands
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My summary:

Quote:
2006/02/03 · Zaman

Turkey is campaigning against discrimination towards Turks and Muslims in Europe. It has come out against the immigration test applied to foreigners in Germany, and the proposal of Minister of Integration and Immigration Rita Verdonk that "only Dutch should be spoken on the streets of The Netherlands".

Ankara also says the Rotterdam Code, the behavior charter for residents of the city that Verdonk's proposal is based on, does not conform to human rights principles. It was told that "this episode is not a governmental opinion, but the work of the municipalities, and was also protested within the realm."


Check out also the funny cartoons that Verdonk's proposal triggered in the newspapers..

Mind you, for all the ridicule, Verdonk is and remains by far the most popular government minister.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 06:59 pm
If Verdonk's proposal left you shrugging, look no further than Rotterdam itself for some stronger stuff ...

This is from the Radio Netherlands Press Review (no longer online). Antilleans are immigrants (and their descendants) from the Antilles, the Netherlands' remaining Caribbean colony.

Quote:
Rotterdam alderman calls for compulsory abortions

Rotterdam alderman Marianne van den Anker has caused consternation with remarks about compulsory abortion. Speaking in a newspaper interview she proposed introducing compulsory abortion for drug addicts, the mentally handicapped and Antillean teenagers. The alderman, who represents the local party Leefbaar Rotterdam and whose portfolio includes public health, argued this would reduce the chances of the children growing up in a chaotic and abusive environment.

The other two parties on the city council, the Christian Democrats and the conservative VVD, called her remarks "astonishing and unacceptable". The chairman of Ms Van den Anker's own party said he agreed with her but her timing was unfortunate. Local elections are due to take place next month throughout the Netherlands.

Livable Rotterdam is the party that was founded by Pim Fortuyn, and promptly won 17 out of 45 seats in the city council in 2002. It is by far the largest party.

At the time of van den Anker's statements, however, two opinion polls ahead of next month's local elections had shown the party to be dropping to just 9-11 seats, yielding first place to the Labour Party, which was polled to go from 11 to 20-21 seats - strongly thanks to minority voters' support.

In a new opinion poll since then, Livable Rotterdam recovered to 13 seats, showing that calling for obligatory abortions for minority groups doesn't, in any case, electorally hurt in today's Holland*. The small Christian Union, which reacted indignantly to the obligatory abortions proposal, saw its support cut almost in half in the newest poll.

Here's an (unfortunately rather confusingly structured) article about this that is still online:

Quote:
Abort 'unloved' Antilleans, says Rotterdam politician
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My summary:

Quote:
2006/02/20 · Expatica

Rotterdam alderman van den Anker of the Liveable Rotterdam (LR) party called for a debate on compulsory abortion and contraception for mothers she believes are responsible for raising unloved babies that fall victim to child abuse.

The target groups she has in mind are Antillean teenage mothers; drug addicts and people with mental handicaps. She said children from these groups run an "unacceptable risk" of growing up with "violence, neglect, mistreatment and sexual abuse." The exceptions, she said, "can be counted on a pair of hands."

The courts should decide whether abortion was the right option, based on what experts and care workers said. She argued that there were a lot of Antillean youth gangs whose members come from loveless homes. LR's coalition partners, the Christian Democrat CDA and Liberal VVD, vehemently rejected her suggestions.


*Wholly off-topic: the populist-rightwing Livable Rotterdam in fact increased its score from 9 seats in the 31 January poll to 13 in the 21 February poll; ie, it recovered from 19% to 26% of the vote. What is striking is that no single other party has suffered in particular from this, they just all lost ground slightly. With one exception: the far-left Socialist Party, which dropped from 11% to 7% in the polls. I've always suspected that, at least where it concerns the electorate, politics is not a line between left and right, but rather a circle, in which the far-left and the far-right compete for the same voters.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 22 Feb, 2006 02:33 pm
herberts wrote:
... 40.999oo

http://www.xtrememass.com/forum//images/smilies/1214-2/middlefinger.gif

"True happiness is knowing everyone thinks you're a real shіt" (Herbertus, circa A.D. 2005)

Eat ya heart out Steve... http://nopc.antares-dev.com/yabbse//Images/smilies/sheep.gif


glad someone is taking this thread seriously
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 22 Feb, 2006 03:22 pm
A real treat, eh, the Dutch...
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