Finn d'Abuzz wrote:australia wrote:They are interesting articles Nimh. Thanks for that.
I have a theory(not sure if it will be correct or not) that the extreme right parties will get more and more support. In normal times, your average everyday european would never even contemplate such parties, but with more immigration levels and anit islam feeling, some people will turn to the far right in desperation.
An insightful theory, and most likely correct.
Interesting theory, although I will note that the far right seems to have pretty consistently stuck within a 10-20% range, max, in elections ever since Le Pen first broke through in France in the early 80s. Only time a far right party ever came much beyond 20% was in Austria a few years ago, and they collapsed by the next elections. Although the rise of the far right is one of the most troubling things to me, I dont think the brownshirted hordes are quite making their way to actual dominance yet.
Far more likely (and proven out thus far) is that mainstream rightwing parties will cherry pick some of the easy-scoring rhetorics and programme points from the far right whilke still roughly remaining within the bounds of democracy and European integration, and steal the thunder from the far right that way. So they'll adopt the "we need to force them to integrate better", but not the "close the borders now & throw out the wogs". ("Wogs"?). Also not something that makes me happy, but a far cry from the scenario you sketch.
Quote:Like it or not, Muslims are Today's vermin of Europe.
Is this truly your opinion, or were you still in sarcastic parody-the-Europeans mode here?
I can say this much: anyone calling Muslims "vermin" would be on the outer reaches of political extremism here, and would be considered (and quite likely prosecuted) as such. So if it was meant as a satire of how Europeans are getting to talk nowadays, it bombed.
Quote:Europe, apparently, can't help but cycle itself into nationalistic fascism. As the Islamist Wogs grow in number, white, and powerful Europeans will find their way to preserving the race.
Again you seem to be (wilfully?) misunderstanding the nature of our far right. They are xenophobic. They share a mix of rational and irrational fears and prejudices, all mixed up with all kinds of populist inconsistencies. Ideological consistency and dogmatism of the "preserve the white race" kind, on the other hand, again is relegated to the far margins of discourse, the skinheads.
The mass of Fortuyn voters say they "have nothing against foreigners", their neighbour is always "a good man", it's just, you know, they "have to integrate", speak the language and not call names to our girls ... and something needs to be done about crime! That kind of thing. Enough stupidity mixed into that kind of talk as well, but a serious concern over "the preservation of our white race"? Nah.
The List Fortuyn, for example (to just stick with the country we're talking about in this thread) itself had a higher proportion of people of colour among their parliamentarians, when they swept in with 26 seats in 2002, than any other political party! That was also just a clever move, of course, but it did get them a fair share of the vote among Hindustani Dutch, for example, and among earlier immigrants annoyed at the newest, still "unintegrated" waves - and it would never have flown in a movement that was truly concerned about the purity or survival of the white race or anything like that. Hell, Fortuyn himself wanted the borders to be closed now, straight away, temporarily, only so all those already "in" could be legalized and properly integrated, including all illegals. No wide-spread fear of "mixing the blood" there.
In short, you seem to be projecting your KKK onto our scene rather than analysing our politics.
Quote:In California USA, whites are now a minority. One of 50 states, but a bell weather state at that.
The damned fecund brownies! They are, literally, out f*cking us.
Do we (Europe and America) surrender our cultural foundation on the basis of birth rate?
There a big White Power movement emerging now in America (or even California) in response to that? No? So perhaps there arent that many people who consider it as species-threatening a problem as you're trying to make it out to be here? Its more widely seen as a problem of degrees, right, as in, should we close or open the tap of immigration more/less?
In any case, before we start panic-footballing; birth rates among the second generation are much lower than among the first, among the third lower than the second - yes, among Muslims too. Plus, the growing number of intercultural relationships. I see lots of Turkish/Dutch, Hindustani/Dutch, Black/Dutch couples in the street. Their kids will only pose a threat to "the survival of our tribe" if we consider anyone with any foreign blood to no longer be "properly" Dutch. Considering the numbers of foreign populations we've mixed in before, I think again that such thinking will remain relegated to the far extremes. Same as in the States. You just changed your census systemology, right, to account for all the mixed identities, because just "Black", "White" and "Hispanic" didnt cut it anymore? What do the increasing numbers of people registering a mixed White/Latino, Afro/Latino, White/Asian identity say about the "survival" of either the White or the Asian or the Latino "tribe"? And what does the only increasing tolerance of such intercultural relationships / identities say about your proposed theory of climaxing concern over the survival of our "race"?
Quote:Please, you Liberal Americans and Europeans, tell me how a progressive society passively accepts the destruction of its tribe?
How "destruction"? Are we being murdered? Prevented from having children ourselves? Looks to me like those immigrants will gladly leave our "tribe" be as we are ... just a question of sharing a common space.
), I'll note it may be headlined, but it certainly is not evidenced.
