Anti-Muslim Dutch politicians in hiding after death threats

Despite what Tmber's Telegraph link would have us believe, the bulk of the emigrants from Holland at the moment still consists of so-called "remigrants" - older Dutch Turks and Moroccans returning to their home country to enjoy their retirement there.

Violence flares as Dutch extreme right strengthens

15 December 2004

AMSTERDAM ­ Muslims have borne the brunt of politically-inspired violence as the extreme right in the Netherlands flexed its muscles in retaliation at the murder of filmmaker Theo van Gogh in November.

The sixth Racism and Extreme Right Monitor, which was published on Wednesday said the extreme right in the Netherlands has strengthened in the past two years. Problems with right-wing youth culture worsened and new political parties have been established, the report said. Leiden University and Anne Frank Foundation researchers found the number of extreme right-wing activists has increased, and there is little difficulty in placing extreme right-wing opinions on the internet.

The researchers noted a sudden rise in racist and extreme right-wing violence in the Netherlands in November, the month Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh was shot dead in Amsterdam. A Muslim man, with Dutch and Moroccan nationality, has been arrested for the murder.

Some 174 incidents were recorded last month and Muslims were the victims in 106 cases, the researchers said. A decline in the number of violent incidents has been recorded in recent years, with 260 cases reported last year.

The researchers noted that November's wave of violence was similar to that witnessed after the 11 September terror attacks in the US. About 190
incidents were reported in the Netherlands in the two and a half months after the 2001 attacks.

Arson attacks were relatively frequent between 2 and 30 November this year, occurring 36 times. Almost 25 percent of cases involved personal threats. Churches were targeted 13 times, while mosques were targeted 47 times.

Native Dutch people were the victims in about 20 percent of the extreme right incidents, the researchers said.

The majority of the recorded incidents took place in North and South Holland. About one-third of all cases took place in large cities.

The study also found that the extreme right was involved in 27 cases or 15 percent of reported incidents. That is one and half times the number of
cases involving the extreme right in 2003.

Extreme right web pages were a hive of comment, urging or supporting violence in the days after Van Gogh's death.

Extreme right-wing parties profited from Van Gogh's murder ­allegedly committed by an Islamic militant in retaliation to his film Submission, which cast an accusing eye on domestic violence in the Islamic faith ­with three of the four registered parties reporting a modest increase in membership.

In the past two years, two new extreme right parties, the National Alliance (NA) and the New Right (NR) were registered in the Netherlands. The latter is believed to stand a chance of winning a seat in the Dutch Parliament.

The four extreme right-wing parties NA, NR, the Dutch People's Union NVU and the New National Party NNP aim to recruit "Lonsdale youth". These are young people who associate themselves with racist and extreme right ideas by wearing Lonsdale clothing.

Estimates of the number of "Lonsdale youth" in the Netherlands vary widely, from 300 to 1,500, with a hardcore group of several dozen members. One of the researchers said there has never been such a high number of extreme right-wing groups of youth people in the Netherlands.

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timberlandko wrote:

'No surprise' over group rape findings

[..] yep, we've gone through most of that here in this thread, and I havent contested any of it (the only thing I will return to, if I have the time, is that "group rape" report, which was most questionable). [..]

Squeezing a girl's bottoms when she's swimming by: abuse and violence
By our reporter Ron Meerhof
de Volkskrant, 6 december 2004
my translation from Dutch

ROTTERDAM - Youth sexual offences are dealt with in secret. There's much to be said about the details brought to light first by a report about group rape.

In September 2002, the Rotterdam police reported that six boys, aged 14 to 16, had sexually assaulted a girl in a Schiedam swimming pool. When personnel intervened, a scuffle erupted. All the newspapers, from the Volkskrant and NRC Handelsblad to the [local] Leeuwarder Courant, adopted the item as a news report.

The readers have not read anything about it since. Because the police never gives out further clarifications about criminal offences by minors and potential court cases take place behind closed doors. Those interested were left to rely on pub talk and uncontrollable information on the internet. There, the perpetrators quickly turned into Moroccans, the assault became rape and the punishments were said to once again be mere trifles.

There are few cases that so appeal to the public's imagination as youth sexual offences. At the same time there are few offences about which so little is known. It's because of exactly that, that the research about group rapes by the Nederlands Studiecentrum voor Rechtshandhaving (NSCR) in Leiden, which appeared last week, is important. Although it remains a question whether it provides a complete picture.

For example, the research focuses exclusively on perpetrators, and "the most serious tip of the iceberg" at that, boys for whom a personality examination was ordered at the FORA institute in Leiden. Their victims are girls who resisted, sometimes tried to escape, often were held down while they were being abused. Clear-cut cases.

Going on police records, the researchers deduce that this occurs some twohundred times a year. Apart from that they speak of 'a phenomenally dark number', unknown numbers, because victims of groups, especially, often do not dare to go to the police.

They call the phenomenon 'a problem of large cities'. One of those large cities is Rotterdam, but the image they sketch diverges strongly in some points from the day-to-day practice in that city.

Thus in the research, two thirds of the perpetrators is of allochthonous [foreign] background and three quarters of the victims is authochthonous (Dutch). This is possibly because the research covers the years 1993 to 2001. It's been the last few years in particular that lawyers, prosecutors and judges in Rotterdam report that the victims, too, are ever more often allochthonous.

For example, in the last few large rape cases in the city district of Delfshaven, almost all those involved were of Cape Verdian, Antillean and Turkish origin. The victims too. As is to be expected in neighbourhoods where almost no autochthonous children live anymore.

Those cases differed from the findings of the researchers from Leiden in another important dimension as well: they were far from clear-cut. In a recent case in Rotterdam-West, several victims maintained that they had blown boys in groups voluntarily.

They maintained this also after long persistance by detectives ("it is very filthy what they did with you"). Despite this, verdicts followed, but with reduced punishments that underlined the doubts of the court. The police had called the case "extraordinarily shocking".

The police dossiers from such cases show that detectives can not imagine that girls of 13 or 14 would do such things by their own free will, and thus work on the assumption of coercion. But the question is whether they are right. In the discussion about the case in question it was often referred to the MTV-culture of women-unfriendly clips. Boys were said to take their cue from those. But perhaps girls do too. There hasn't been any research on that.

To return for a moment to the beginning: the main perpetrator in the Schiedam swimming pool incident was not Moroccan, but Turkish. And the assault was really not a rape: the offence consisted of the boy squeezing the bottom of a girl who swam by.

The verdict was harsh: 140 hours of punitive work [ie, "taakstraf"], 40 hours of obligatory training in dealing with sexual and aggressive feelings and a month of suspended youth detention with a probation of two years. Squeezing a girl's bottom, so the public prosecutor during the court case, is 'sexual abuse and violence'.

It is my theory that there will be a lot of "white flight" in the next 10 or so years from Europe.

They are interesting articles Nimh. Thanks for that.

I have a theory(not sure if it will be correct or not) that the extreme right parties will get more and more support. In normal times, your average everyday european would never even contemplate such parties, but with more immigration levels and anit islam feeling, some people will turn to the far right in desperation.

primarily, defines itself based upon past glories and opposition to the US

Europe, apparently, can't help but cycle itself into nationalistic fascism.

In California USA, whites are now a minority.

I've never before noticed that

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primarily, defines itself based upon past glories and opposition to the US

But might be, you have a better insight view and knowledge about that.

Concession accepted, however should there be a stubborn little remnant of European jingoism residing within you, perhaps you can tell us how the New Europe defines itself.

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Europe, apparently, can't help but cycle itself into nationalistic fascism.

I always find it fascinating, when nationalists hit each other.

A glib jibe, but one that, unwittingingly, acknowledges the truth of the point.

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In California USA, whites are now a minority.

Any idea, when they became a majority there, why and how long?

Which is to suggest that "Whites" superceded Indians and Spanish (white no?) in California through force, and there is something instrinsically wrong with this.

I admit that I am not sufficiently familiar with the anthropology of the Germanic lands to know whether or not "white" skinned Aryans bashed in the skulls of "brown" skinned Dravidians to assume control over Munich, but I do know that at some point in the region's history, Cro-magnons bashed in enough Neaderthal skulls to assume control over Munich.

And so the Germanic ancestors of those Cro-magnons should be wringing their hands and beating their breasts over the ill deeds they wrought upon the hapless neanderthal. Talk about Genocide!

The question remains Walter, do you think your tribe will accept the same fate as the Neanderthals? Somehow I doubt it. Already the EU is trying to place exceptional restrictions on any future Turkish membership so that the the West will not be overrun by brown Muslims.

And in your country Walter where Turks were recruited for the sort of jobs Germans would have nothing to do with, the compatibility of the nationalities are honkie dory?

Europe is in for either a relatively peaceful conversion to Islam or a culturally driven upheaval. Demographic trends like glaciers, don't cease movement on their own.

Already the EU is trying to place exceptional restrictions on any future Turkish membership so that the the West will not be overrun by brown Muslims.

And in your country Walter where Turks were recruited for the sort of jobs Germans would have nothing to do with, the compatibility of the nationalities are honkie dory?

Spanish (white no?)

australia wrote:

They are interesting articles Nimh. Thanks for that.

I have a theory(not sure if it will be correct or not) that the extreme right parties will get more and more support. In normal times, your average everyday european would never even contemplate such parties, but with more immigration levels and anit islam feeling, some people will turn to the far right in desperation.

An insightful theory, and most likely correct.

Like it or not, Muslims are Today's vermin of Europe.

Europe, apparently, can't help but cycle itself into nationalistic fascism. As the Islamist Wogs grow in number, white, and powerful Europeans will find their way to preserving the race.

In California USA, whites are now a minority. One of 50 states, but a bell weather state at that.

The damned fecund brownies! They are, literally, out f*cking us.

Do we (Europe and America) surrender our cultural foundation on the basis of birth rate?

Please, you Liberal Americans and Europeans, tell me how a progressive society passively accepts the destruction of its tribe?

Theo van Gogh's last film gets first screening

by Robert Chesal, 13 December 2004

On the day he was killed in Amsterdam last month, filmmaker Theo van Gogh was still working on a film about the murder in 2002 of controversial politician Pim Fortuyn. On Sunday, the resulting motion picture "06/05" - a reference to 5 May 2002, the day of Pim Fortuyn's assassination - was given a private screening in The Hague.
Among those at the showing was the film's producer and Theo Van Gogh's close friend, Gijs van Westerlaken. He spoke to Radio Netherlands about the film and the similarities between Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh:

"It starts with the murder of Pim Fortuyn, who was killed two years ago. A photographer close to the place where it happened tries to make pictures of it, but then doesn't succeed. But he's made some other pictures which lead in the following five days to the unfolding of - what you could call - a conspiracy; a rather complicated political conspiracy involving the secret service and political lobbyists."

RN: "Why did Theo van Gogh decide to make a film about this subject?"

"Well, it was something he had in mind quite soon after the murder of Fortuyn. He knew him quite well. So, he spoke with one of his screenwriters; both of them decided to do a thriller and especially not to do a film in which an actor would play Fortuyn."

RN: "So he used a lot of actually footage of Mr Fortuyn before he was killed."

"Yes, the film evolves around five days after the murder, and constantly you see TV screens in homes, and those images come forward, so to speak."


RN: "Now, we do know that the man convicted for killing Pim Fortuyn was actually an animal rights activist. And he did say he did it because he believed that Pim Fortuyn was a danger to society. But this film proposes a very different conspiracy behind it, in which political parties are said to be involved. Do you think that Theo van Gogh believed this story is true?"

"No, that's not so much the point. He wanted to make a typical political-paranoia thriller, which is a genre you don't seem much in Holland, but which is a rather regular genre in the United States, and Italy and France and many other countries. And he wanted - through that genre - to give his comments on Dutch society."

RN: "It's interesting that you say that the political thriller isn't a popular genre here. Maybe it's because the Dutch see themselves as such a peaceful society or people. Do you think that that's changed in recent years?"

"Yes, that's changed. It already changed of course with the murder of Fortuyn and the more so with the murder of Theo."

RN: "These were just two incidents, but do you think there's more to it?"

"Well, they're incidents of course, but it's an indication that there's something not quite right in Dutch society."

RN: "Theo van Gogh and Pim Fortuyn were both quite controversial public figures, known for being very outspoken. What do you think they had in common?"

"Exactly this, this controversial kind of thing. Fortuyn was - just like Theo - a columnist, an editorialist. Theo was not only a filmmaker, but he also wrote a lot, and participated a lot in debates on TV, and his interview shows and talk shows. Both of them liked to provoke and wake people up, you could say."

RN: "They certainly did wake them up. Many people feel that both Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh were anti-foreigner. Do you think that that's just a public perception or the truth?"

"Well, it's absolutely not the truth with Theo, because he wasn't a political figure at all, and he certainly didn't agree with everything Fortuyn said. They simply had a kind of bond with each other because they had the same 'columnist' kind of idea, but Theo was certainly not someone who was against foreigners, on the contrary."

RN: "Tell me about the private premiere that was held on Sunday. What was the mood like?"

"Well, it was a bizarre mood. It was festive between brackets you could say. Of course it was a sad meeting because the most important man, Theo, wasn't there. On the other hand it was also a kind of festive meeting because he made a great film. And the thing is that, six weeks after his killing, everyone can now see one of his best works."

RN: "This was a private screening, when does the wider public both in the Netherlands and internationally get to see this movie?"

"The premiere is on the Internet, I believes it starts on the 15th [of December]. Then, in the cinemas, it will run from 20 January."

RN: "What about the rest of the world?"

"There is, of course, quite some interest in the film in the rest of the world, so probably it will be seen about everywhere, I would guess."