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Mosh - Eminem takes on Bush

 
 
nimh
 
Reply Mon 1 Nov, 2004 11:38 pm
Have you heard Eminem's Mosh? Seen its video? It's here. What do you think?

Snob? Read Slate's take here.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Mon 1 Nov, 2004 11:49 pm
He is the king of the ballbreakers. I love it.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 1 Nov, 2004 11:55 pm
I dunno so much about the track, yet - but what a video!
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Thok
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 12:21 am
My view, that the video in this case and Eminem himself is too populistic.

Actually, what should "Mosh" mean? A combination of two words?
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Ceili
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 12:59 am
Brilliant! I hadn't seen this, thanks.
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willow tl
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 01:06 am
very powerful ...not a huge eminem fan, but agree with what he has to say here...I hope people are listening!
Eminem : Mosh Lyrics
Lyrics > Eminem Lyrics > Mosh Lyrics


Eminem - Mosh Lyrics

[I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
And to the Republic for which it stands
One nation under God
Indivisible・
It feels so good to be back..]

Scrutinize every word, memorize every line
I spit it once, refuel, reenergize, and rewind
I give sight to the blind, mind sight through the mind
I ostracize my right to express when I feel it's time
It's just all in your mind, what you interpret it as
I say to fight you take it as I知 gonna whip someone's ass
If you don't understand don't even bother to ask
A father who has grown up with a fatherless past
Who has blown up now to rap phenomenon that has
Or at least shows no difficulty multi task
And juggling both, perhaps mastered his craft slash
Entrepreneur who has held long too few more rap acts
Who has had a few obstacles thrown his way through the last half
Of his career typical manure moving past that
Mister kiss his ass crack, he's a class act
Rubber band man, yea he just snaps back

Come along, follow me as I lead through the darkness
As I provide just enough spark, that we need to proceed
Carry on, give me hope, give me strength,
Come with me, and I won't stear you wrong
Put your faith and your trust as I guide us through the fog
Till the light, at the end, of the tunnel, we gonna fight,
We gonna charge, we gonna stomp, we gonna march through the swamp
We gonna mosh through the marsh, take us right through the doors

To the people up top, on the side and the middle,
Come together, let's all bomb and swamp just a little
Just let it gradually build, from the front to the back
All you can see is a sea of people, some white and some black
Don't matter what color, all that matters is we gathered together
To celebrate for the same cause, no matter the weather
If it rains let it rain, yea the wetter the better
They ain't gonna stop us, they can't, we're stronger now more then ever,
They tell us no we say yea, they tell us stop we say go,
Rebel with a rebel yell, raise hell we gonna let em know
Stomp, push up, mush, **** Bush, until they bring our troops home come on just . . .

Come along, follow me as I lead through the darkness
As I provide just enough spark, that we need to proceed
Carry on, give me hope, give me strength,
Come with me, and I won't stear you wrong
Put your faith and your trust as I guide us through the fog
Till the light, at the end, of the tunnel, we gonna fight,
We gonna charge, we gonna stomp, we gonna march through the swamp
We gonna mosh through the marsh, take us right through the doors, come on

Imagine it pouring, it's raining down on us,
Mosh pits outside the oval office
Someone's trying to tell us something, maybe this is God just saying
we're responsible for this monster, this coward, that we have empowered
This is Bin Laden, look at his head nodding,
How could we allow something like this, Without pumping our fist
Now this is our, final hour
Let me be the voice, and your strength, and your choice
Let me simplify the rhyme, just to amplify the noise
Try to amplify the times it, and multiply it by six
Teen million people are equal of this high pitch
Maybe we can reach Al Quaida through my speech
Let the President answer on high anarchy
Strap him with AK-47, let him go
Fight his own war, let him impress daddy that way
No more blood for oil, we got our own battles to fight on our soil
No more psychological warfare to trick us to think that we ain't loyal
If we don't serve our own country we're patronizing a hero
Look in his eyes, it's all lies, the stars and stripes
They've been swiped, washed out and wiped,
And Replaced with his own face, mosh now or die
If I get sniped tonight you'll know why, because I told you to fight

So come along, follow me as I lead through the darkness
As I provide just enough spark, that we need to proceed
Carry on, give me hope, give me strength,
Come with me, and I won't stear you wrong
Put your faith and your trust as I guide us through the fog
Till the light, at the end, of the tunnel, we gonna fight,
We gonna charge, we gonna stomp, we gonna march through the swamp
We gonna mosh through the marsh, take us right through the doors

[Eminem speaking angrily]
And as we proceed, to mosh through this desert storm, in these closing statements, if they should argue, let us beg to differ, as we set aside our differences, and assemble our own army, to disarm this weapon of mass destruction that we call our president, for the present, and mosh for the future of our next generation, to speak and be heard, Mr. President, Mr. Senator
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Instigate
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 02:48 am
Very unwise in my opinion. One should not mix their politics with their proffesion, but I am not a musician. Then again, hes probably so wealthy that he doesnt care. You can tax him 99.9% until the day he dies, he'll still have hundred of millions. Because he echos the liberal dogma, a dogma that is popular amongst his target audience/market(Youth), hes not really taking a risk or really saying anything. He is merely exploiting and using ideas that are common amongst his target market, for his own personal gain; to sell records he will tell people what they want to hear. Typical of a liberal.
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NeoGuin
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 06:56 am
I think 'ole Slim Shady sees that it's Urban folks that make up the bulk of those fighting for Bush's Empire.

And with Slim's conversational way of rapping, it will really resonate.

PS. Moshing is a term for a kind of dancing that one sees at punk/metal shows. Kinda looks like Linebackers smashing into each other.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 08:10 am
Instigate wrote:
Because he echos the liberal dogma, a dogma that is popular amongst his target audience/market(Youth), hes not really taking a risk or really saying anything. He is merely exploiting and using ideas that are common amongst his target market, for his own personal gain; to sell records he will tell people what they want to hear.

On the other hand, this is a totally new thing for him. He said he wasn't even actually himself registered to vote until now.
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Ceili
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 10:00 am
Are you serious? Music and politics have always gone together. Protest songs are the voice of the people and you can trace world history through music.
The battle hymn of the republic (nah screw it, I was going to go you a list,) but wait....is it only liberal claptrap and unwanted or unappreciated when you don't agree with the message the tunes send? You'd think Americans invented this trend????
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panzade
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 10:07 am
kudos ceili
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Instigate
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 01:25 pm
Ceili wrote:
Are you serious? Music and politics have always gone together. Protest songs are the voice of the people and you can trace world history through music.
The battle hymn of the republic (nah screw it, I was going to go you a list,) but wait....is it only liberal claptrap and unwanted or unappreciated when you don't agree with the message the tunes send? You'd think Americans invented this trend????


I think music in this modern day is a way to make vast sums of money, its intent is not to be "A Voice Of The People. The industry, as with any, is appeal based. It is logical that any musician would echo popular movements or sentiment i.e. the ant-Bush movement.
You are right of course, on the historical association between music and politics. My thought is that modern, factory issued music has lost its orginal feel and has descended into pandering to market bases.

Eminems whole appeal was that he was controversial, that he feels the angst and frustration of youth. But he has overplayed that theme. His music has deteriorated in my opinion. This "Mosh" song only confirms it. He has run out of original ideas, he has nothing to rap about that we havent heard already, so he takes up the war cry of his target audience. He is re-issueing his appeal on the back of a popular, rancorous and deep seated political movement.

Why do you think Eminem magically decided to take up politics? I guess we'll never know, but I doubt that it is because "Hes pissed off, he hates Bush, and hes gonna do somethin about it, damnit!!!"
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 02:29 pm
I think thats exactly why he did it.

I'm not sure whether it made for a good track tho. I mean, its pretty good. But its also pretty "of thick wood one carves planks" as we say here ... there's not a lot of interesting detail there, not musically either (at least at first spin) - no personal conflict or ambiguities or compelling story - just a marching yell.

Nothing wrong with that though, on its time. And I like how he makes it, like - not some partisan oh-yeah-vote-kerry thing -- its more like, here we are ... you've underestimated us all ... you usta be able to ignore us all and you did, but not this time - we're many and we're angry and here we finally come ... you all better be stepping BACK. And that "you all" includes its warning to Kerry and everyone else as well, the whole bunch, look at the very end. Its like in LOTR3, where they raise that army of the dead: they'll win you your battle, but dont forget what genie you're releasing from the bottle here.

On the other hand, the whole thing also struck me as really ... "goody". I mean, this is Eminem here, he's the one to shock all the bourgeois into panic through outrage. But here we are in the vid, the angry young masses mosh up the steps of the power-building, shoving everyone out of the way and bursting in to take over ... in order to stand in line to be allowed to register to vote. Its not exactly Che Guevara stuff is it? Nothing wrong with that - all the better, perhaps - but a teensy bit of an anti-climax, no?

Still, good show. And an A for all the right intentions. And perhaps its kind of all the more meaningful or interesting, when mr. bad guy suddenly turns all didactic - Em turning himself around and upside down again.

And what video! I think its amazing, the ghoulishness of it all, and everything.
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Runamuck
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 03:33 pm
Instigate wrote:
Ceili wrote:
Are you serious? Music and politics have always gone together. Protest songs are the voice of the people and you can trace world history through music.
The battle hymn of the republic (nah screw it, I was going to go you a list,) but wait....is it only liberal claptrap and unwanted or unappreciated when you don't agree with the message the tunes send? You'd think Americans invented this trend????


I think music in this modern day is a way to make vast sums of money, its intent is not to be "A Voice Of The People. The industry, as with any, is appeal based. It is logical that any musician would echo popular movements or sentiment i.e. the ant-Bush movement.
You are right of course, on the historical association between music and politics. My thought is that modern, factory issued music has lost its orginal feel and has descended into pandering to market bases.

Eminems whole appeal was that he was controversial, that he feels the angst and frustration of youth. But he has overplayed that theme. His music has deteriorated in my opinion. This "Mosh" song only confirms it. He has run out of original ideas, he has nothing to rap about that we havent heard already, so he takes up the war cry of his target audience. He is re-issueing his appeal on the back of a popular, rancorous and deep seated political movement.

Why do you think Eminem magically decided to take up politics? I guess we'll never know, but I doubt that it is because "Hes pissed off, he hates Bush, and hes gonna do somethin about it, damnit!!!"


AMEN

M & M is a phony. Vanilla Ice times 3.
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NeoGuin
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 07:19 am
I managed to view the video on Launch.com as I was looking at maybe using the track as background music for a "trailer" for a web page I plan to do.

Video is cool, song seems to me more of a rant than anything Public Enemy did.

So it looks like I need to either see if anyone from the local FNB has a track of "Fight The Power" or else scoot up to a used CD store and pick it up there.

Ole' Slim may be trying to tap into something, or not. Let's see how things play out.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 08:51 am
who cares why he did it. The point is, he CAN do if he wants to. Music is a powerful tool. It reflects the feeling of the times. Just look back into music history and you'll see the social changes refelcted in the music.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 11:44 am
Yeah Neo, its nothing like as good as PE, thats true ... they were amazing
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NeoGuin
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 09:08 pm
nimh:

Cool.

It's just too bad, IMHO, some people got scared of what PE was doing and pushed "Gangsta Rap" instead.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 09:57 pm
I still remember when I first heard "Bring the Noise" - had never heard anything like it. Such power! Musically and lyrics-wise, I mean, It Takes A Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back, Fear of a Black Planet - good records, they were.

I saw them live once, but it wasnt their best gig - I mean, it was good, but weird, in some big sports hall out in the east - they'd just been barred from appearing in Amsterdam ...

Gangsta rap wasnt all bad either tho ... I saw Ice-T live too, he was fukking amazing.
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NeoGuin
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 06:34 am
nimh:

I just saw a lot of "Gangsta" as glorifying what was destructive in that community.

Perhaps what the people in the music biz had in mind:(
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