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The NEXT coming Oz election thread!

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 04:36 am
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 28 Sep, 2005 06:46 am
States approve new anti-terrorism laws:

The state and territory leaders have reached an agreement with the Commonwealth over proposed anti-terrorism legislation.

Under the planned laws, state and territory police will be given extra tracking powers and will be able to detain terrorism suspects for up to two weeks without charge.... <cont.>

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200509/s1469394.htm

AND varied responses to the new laws, from the opinion & letter pages of the AGE this morning:

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/09/28/ed_loeunig_2809_gallery__550x389.jpg

Australians all let us recoil
for we have no idea.
We go to war for wealth and oil,
our homes are girt by fear.


We must enshrine human rights in our constitution:

MANY Australians are beginning to ask themselves how state and federal governments can unilaterally withdraw many rights and privileges that people living under the British justice system have enjoyed for centuries.

Unfortunately for Australian citizens and residents, they are more prone to government assaults on any rights and privileges they may enjoy than most other people living in parliamentary democracies, because there are few, if any, human rights safeguards within the Australian constitution.

US citizens have safeguards within their constitution that cannot be arbitrarily removed by state or federal legislation. Even British citizens have more constitutional protection than Australian citizens.

Although the British do not have specific constitutional human rights arrangements, their membership of the European Union gives them constitutional protections that make it difficult for the British Government to unilaterally strip their citizens of common law rights and privileges that have existed for centuries.

Australians have few, if any, human rights enshrined in the Australian constitution. Governments at state and federal level can at any time pass totalitarian legislation that strips both residents and citizens of any human rights they may currently enjoy.

Those Australians who are concerned about this dangerous situation need to become involved in both extra-parliamentary and parliamentary political activities that force political parties to commit themselves to holding referendums that enshrine human rights in the Australian constitution.

What rights we as citizens are able to enjoy are too important to be left in the hands of the Government.
- Joseph Toscano, spokesman, Anarchist Media Institute

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We're becoming a police state:

NOT long ago, while in Britain, John Howard declared that he wouldn't turn Australia into a police state. But his Government is creating and passing laws that will do exactly that, relieving officials of the need to explain their actions and giving even more rights to government when the population has virtually none. The result is further reductions in government accountability.

After the Rau and Alvarez Solon scandals, how can any of us imagine that government departments can be trusted to behave responsibly or with respect towards the public?

Australians are already at risk from the actions of their own governments; new so-called "anti-terror" laws are only increasing those risks.
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The bad old '60s:

THE new terrorist laws soon to be introduced will bring us full circle back to the days of the Liberal police state in Victoria in the 1960s. In the bad old days it was students, protesters and unions misbehaving. Now it's "what terrorists might do".

The ghost of Henry (Bolte) hangs over this, and he's laughing.

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Muslim tolerance:

YESTERDAY'S terrorism summit in Canberra must have been a trying time for Muslims who have no sympathy whatsoever for terrorism. But Australia is principally facing a terrorist threat from Muslim terrorists.

Eighty-eight Australians have already been murdered in Bali. Muslims should show tolerance that we need to effectively do all we can to prevent this happening on our own soil.
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 28 Sep, 2005 06:59 am
Definition of terrorists 'broadened'
September 28, 2005 - 2:25PM/the AGE

A jump from 80 potential terrorists in Australia to a figure of 800 appears to reflect a broadening of the definition of extremists by security agencies brought about by the London bombings, an analyst said today... <cont>

http://www.theage.com.au/news/war-on-terror/definition-of-terrorists-broadened/2005/09/28/1127804524001.html?oneclick=true
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 28 Sep, 2005 07:17 am
Hot reception for counter-terrorist package[/size]
By Fergus Shiel
Law Reporter
September 28, 2005/the AGE


CIVIL liberties groups, lawyers and Muslim leaders have denounced the Federal Government's counter-terrorism package, warning that the "draconian laws" will erode Australians' rights and freedoms.

Liberty Victoria president Brian Walters, SC, said the 10-year sunset clause and five-year review of the laws agreed to by the Federal Government and the states and territories yesterday provided no comfort to those concerned about the impact of the laws on civil liberties.

Under the laws, police may hold terror suspects for up to 14 days without charge, use tracking devices to monitor their movements, and seek penalties for people who "incite" terrorism.

"It is just an absolute disgrace and a dereliction of duty by the premiers and Prime Minister in terms of failure to protect human rights and our way of life. And I think that we will regret it for years to come," Mr Walters said.... <cont>


http://www.theage.com.au/news/war-on-terror/hot-reception-for-counterterrorist-package/2005/09/27/1127804477416.html
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2005 01:06 am
We asked for this. We re-elected them again and again and we elected a bunch of lock-step state governments.

The state and territory premiers and chief ministers just folded after all that chest-thumping. I wonder what they were told that made them turn into sooks. I suppose it was covering their whatsits.

You know, "if someone blows a train up in my state at least they can't say I didn't support the draconian legislation."

Draconian legislation probably isn't the answer but politicians are indulging in risk management of their own careers.
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2005 04:59 am
goodfielder wrote:
We asked for this. We re-elected them again and again and we elected a bunch of lock-step state governments.

The state and territory premiers and chief ministers just folded after all that chest-thumping. I wonder what they were told that made them turn into sooks. I suppose it was covering their whatsits.

You know, "if someone blows a train up in my state at least they can't say I didn't support the draconian legislation."

Draconian legislation probably isn't the answer but politicians are indulging in risk management of their own careers.


No, "we" didn't re-elect "them". Well not at the federal level, anyway! Other folk (who to this day remain invisible, unidentifiable..) did!

Yes indeed, gf, the state premiers are being cautious, covering their whatsits. Particularly in Victoria, where rumours of a "terrorist attack" on the city are rife & have been for some time. Every person & their dog expects something to happen during the Commonwealth Games. Spooky, hey?

But wouldn't you just love to know what was said in that ASIO brief? (Perhaps The Australian will leak it & we'll know before too long. :wink: )

Me, I curse the prime minister for getting us into this mess. If he hadn't been so diligent in his deputy sheriff role none of this would be happening! Rolling Eyes
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2005 06:37 am
& back to the IR battle. Our taxes at work. Sad :

Union issues warning over IR tax bill
September 29, 2005 - 4:46PM/the AGE

The federal government could spend up to $100 million of taxpayers' money to promote its industrial relations reforms following a decision in the High Court today, Australia's peak union body says.

ACTU secretary Greg Combet said he was disappointed the ACTU lost its challenge against the federal government's multi-million dollar industrial reforms campaign today.

The full bench of the court ruled it was not appropriate for it to judge whether taxpayers should fund the $20 million campaign to publicise the IR proposals.

Mr Combet labelled the decision as one of the "ups and downs" of what would be an ongoing campaign by unions.

"The courts don't often work in our favour," Mr Combet said today.

"We will continue to fight the government, in a long campaign like this there's lots of ups and downs but none of this will change our determination to fight these unjust laws."

He said the decision cleared the way for the government to spend an estimated $25 million to $100 million in taxpayer dollars to build community support for the reforms.... <cont>


http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/union-warning-over-ir-tax-bill/2005/09/29/1127804599773.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2005 05:43 pm
Some decision! The court decides it can't decide! Huh? Confused In the meantime, JH feels "vindicated", I guess, & can now continue on his merry way, squandering even more of our taxes on Liberal propaganda! <sigh>:

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/09/29/3009_cartoon_gallery__470x265.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2005 05:59 pm
I wonder what else JH has up his sleave? No doubt he has a "mandate" for this one, too!:

Nation to vote on 4-year terms
Steve Lewis, Chief political reporter
September 30, 2005/the Australian


FEDERAL parliamentary terms could be increased to four years and voters will be required to show proof of their identity at polling booths, under sweeping electoral reforms.

The Howard Government is also considering a measure to close the electoral roll when an election is called, despite claims that up to 80,000 people could miss out on voting.

Taking advantage of its new Senate majority, some senior members of the Government are also expected to revive debate over the introduction of voluntary voting.

John Howard last night reaffirmed his support for allowing an elected government to have four years to pursue its reform agenda.

"I remain, in principle, in favour of four-year terms. (But) I don't favour fixed terms," the Prime Minister said.... <cont>


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16767096%255E601,00.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2005 06:05 pm
OK, a diversion from the bad news! I'm running a survey here & need your views on the following:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,5054886,00.jpg

Q1 .... How many months before this woman becomes leader of the opposition?

Q2 .... How long before she becomes prime minister?

Q3 .... Who will she choose as her deputy?
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2005 06:13 pm
Back to the present. (damn news just keeps happening!) Get ready, here it comes! <shudder> Watch your taxes at work on commercial television!:

IR detail out in 'next few weeks'
September 30, 2005 - 9:10AM

The federal government is close to releasing the fine detail of its sweeping industrial relations reforms, Workplace Relations Minister Kevin Andrews says. .. <cont>

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/ir-detail-out-in-next-few-weeks/2005/09/30/1127804634283.html?oneclick=true
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2005 09:45 pm
Q1 .... How many months before this woman becomes leader of the opposition?

A month will be too long. Okay I'll stop it. I'm guessing. Six months. Please.

Q2 .... How long before she becomes prime minister?

Please, please, please make it at the next election.


Q3 .... Who will she choose as her deputy?

<thinking> <still thinking>

Well if I were advising her I'd say Bob McMullan. My reasoning is that McMullan is both an electoral and policy wonk, wonk being a good thing. He is smart enough about the system and the party to guard her back and still help make good policy.

This is good therapy msolga, I feel better already just envisioning it Very Happy
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2005 09:47 pm
The Americanisation of our IR laws could do it. When the new laws bite hard and rough it will herald a turn-around and the Libs will be thrown out of office.

But they had better hurry up and put Julia in there and get poor old Kym out of there very soon.
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2005 10:44 pm
Quote:
Gillard gains credibility despite Latham

30sep05

FAR from being a kiss of death, as many commentators would have it, Mark Latham's endorsement of his former colleague Julia Gillard as the Australian Labor's Party next leader could turn into a political resuscitation, benefiting both Gillard and the party.

The initial caricature reaction has been to show Gillard as suffering from an endorsement from a former leader who is being written off and attacked by all and sundry after his kiss-and-tell diaries besmirched scores of reputations. Latham's spray against the Labor Party, politics and politicians in general and Kim Beazley in particular has severed his relations with the bulk of the ALP and soured its image with the public.
Latham's personality and mental state are openly dissected and discussed, he has been publicly diagnosed as having a narcissistic personality and asked if he would have been an unstable prime minister. In an orgy of publicity and recrimination, Latham and his erstwhile colleagues have been tearing at their own and each other's entrails.

It has been completely in public and comes only a year after people were being asked to vote for Latham as prime minister. As a result, whether people are Labor supporters or not, young or old, interested in politics or not, everyone has an opinion on Latham. There are people at football matches and ten-pin bowling games who are openly regretting their decision to vote for him at the last election and others decrying the damage he has done to their beloved Labor Party.

The latest Newspoll survey, taken last weekend, showed that despite concern about high petrol prices, industrial relations reforms and the sale of Telstra, the public pushed the Coalition into a 10-point lead on primary votes and Labor's primary vote to its lowest under Beazley this time as leader, just 34 per cent.

In the rush to limit the damage from Latham's personal observations about the character and health of Beazley and the former's damaging plans for policy changes, the ALP seems to have forgotten that among all those people who have an opinion are many who agree with Latham. The initial attraction of Latham's youth, enthusiasm and radical agenda-setting is still a powerful force among an electorate who see an older and conservative John Howard facing in Beazley a third-time runner with a tendency to be more conservative than the Prime Minister.

This is where Gillard's role as the most senior defender of her former leader is crucial for her and the ALP.

Gillard's defence of Latham has been multifaceted and carefully calibrated. At each level there is room for Gillard's standing within the public to rise and in so doing salvage some lost Labor support.

At a primal level Gillard has offered public support for Latham as a human being. No matter what people think of Latham's views of Labor, there surely can't be too many people who cannot look at his hauntingly defiant face and feel that there is someone in turmoil.

The public feels it, and since many don't attach as much importance to the stature of the Labor Party as the federal Labor MPs, the natural human reaction of some sympathy for someone facing ostracism is probably stronger outside parliament than within.

It is also a reaction that is likely to grow with time rather than diminish.

Gillard, and Latham's last Labor mate, frontbencher Joel Fitzgibbon, are demonstrating an admirable forbearance in the face of Latham's destructive behaviour. Gillard has publicly warned her ALP colleagues not to resurrect the self-destructive culture of the ALP in recent years and to try to avoid a competition for the worst epithet to be cast in the former leader's direction.

Gillard's appeal has gone further than just personal support. She has publicly pointed to the danger of returning to the undermining that went on during Simon Crean and Latham's leadership. Gillard said this week that she had been loyal to all her leaders: Beazley, Crean, Latham and Beazley again. This is not something many on the frontbench can claim after three leadership changes and two challenges in the past four years. She also has declared that she will not challenge Beazley for the leadership, which highlights a curious power shift in her direction and away from foreign affairs spokesman Kevin Rudd.

By being loyal to Latham, but carefully repudiating his party disloyalty, Gillard has demonstrated an attractive humanity and a loyalty to Labor and its leadership. All of this helps her image and provides an opportunity for her to claw back Labor supporters who have been turned off the ALP and politics by Latham's raw disclosures.

An Ipsos Mackay survey taken after the release of The Latham Diaries has found 34 per cent of people are less inclined to vote Labor. More important, the survey has found 17 per cent of people who voted Labor last year are less inclined to vote Labor.

That is, almost one in five Labor voters suggest they are less likely to vote the same way at the next election, either because they are shocked at what Latham hid from them or because they agree with hiscriticisms of the ALP, its factions and personnel.

For an Opposition that suffered one of its worst defeats in history at the last election, with a primary vote of 37.6 per cent, the prospect of having an even lower primary vote would preclude Labor from government for decades.

The survey suggests another blow for Labor: 33 per cent of Australian Greens voters say they are less inclined to support Labor. This is crucial for Labor; for years it has relied on a large flow of Greens preferences to get over the line in tight seats and lift its two-party-preferred result.

This apparent disenchantment with machine politics could turn voters away from Labor to alternatives: the Greens and independents. The desertion of Labor primary voters and Greens preference voters on anything like this scale at the next election would mean the ALP is unelectable.


Gillard's endorsement from Latham's political grave and her careful defence of his positive legacy may prove to be a kiss of life.



Source
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 05:14 am
Hmmmmmm.....wishing and hoping and ....
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 05:19 am
dlowan wrote:
Hmmmmmm.....wishing and hoping and ....



... thinking & praying. Very Happy

But no answers to the survey! Sad
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 05:40 am
goodfielder wrote:
Q1 .... How many months before this woman becomes leader of the opposition?

A month will be too long. Okay I'll stop it. I'm guessing. Six months. Please.

Q2 .... How long before she becomes prime minister?

Please, please, please make it at the next election.


Q3 .... Who will she choose as her deputy?

<thinking> <still thinking>

Well if I were advising her I'd say Bob McMullan. My reasoning is that McMullan is both an electoral and policy wonk, wonk being a good thing. He is smart enough about the system and the party to guard her back and still help make good policy.

This is good therapy msolga, I feel better already just envisioning it Very Happy


Yes, it's great therapy, gf! I agree. Very Happy

Seeing as I've posed these questions, I guess I'd better put in my two bob's worth, hey?

OK!

Q1 .... How many months before this woman becomes leader of the opposition?

I know you were being optimistic in your estimate, gf. I'm going to be a bit more realistic in mine: something like a year, I reckon. Why so long? Because our Julia will not become leader in (yet another! Rolling Eyes ) messy coup. She will bide her time. Continue to support her leader, etc, etc. Kim will finally be persuaded to step down "for the good of the party" & she'll be the obvious choice. Look, no blood on her hands! Very Happy That'll go down very well with the elctorate.

Q2 .... How long before she becomes prime minister?

Not the very next election (sorry!) but the one after. Yep, I think the IR "reforms" will be Howard's Waterloo. As a result, in the very next election Labor (with Julia as leader) will come tantalizingly close to victory, but will be beaten by a nose. The Libs will never be quite the same again, in fact, confidence in JH will be badly shaken. Julia will beat Costello at the following election. Oh happy day! Very Happy

Q3 .... Who will she choose as her deputy?

OH, that's a tough one! Laughing
OK, not someone too young or too left. (Don't want to scare the horses, do we? :wink: ) Not Kim, or Simon, or Lindsay Tanner, or ..... It'll have to be a well respected, "seasoned" parliamentarian & one acceptable to the NSW Right. I think you could be right, gf! Comb-over! Very Happy
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 06:01 am
I want to know what Mr hh, of Cairns QLD thinks, too. Come on, hinge, we know you're lurking about here, somewhere! Laughing


In the meantime, how's this for a novel approach from JH? Oh, please! Rolling Eyes

Workers will 'welcome' dismissal laws
September 30, 2005 - 4:31PM/the AGE

Prime Minister John Howard believes workers will welcome plans to give bosses increased powers to sack staff if it means getting rid of annoying colleagues.

Mr Howard was today again defending his plans to exempt employees in firms of under 100 staff from access to unfair dismissal laws... <cont>

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/workers-will-welcome-dismissal-laws/2005/09/30/1127804649592.html
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hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 09:24 pm
Oh OK olgs

Q1 .... How many months before this woman becomes leader of the opposition?

Never. ALP just aren't brave/smart enough - and neither are the electorate.

Q2 .... How long before she becomes prime minister?

Never. For the same reason.

Q3 .... Who will she choose as her deputy?

See Q1

Damn I hope I'm wrong.


Anyone seen JH squirm when asked how the IR reforms will improve productivity? Bloody darkly hilarious. All they do is improve profits because employers can squeeze savings out of there employees. And I don't know about you, but if I'm getting short shrift from my boss I start looking around for a better job, or I find a new balance between the wage I'm getting and the effort I'm putting in.

I almost sense that JH is pushing these reforms because it has become obvious that power is shifting back to employess (in terms of supply and demand). It's the last flailings of redundant ideology.

Invest in education and invest fast - the world is flat.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0374292884/qid=1128137037/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-3794567-5001445?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 09:31 pm
I think I will have to go and kill myself.
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