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goodfielder wrote:

Q1 .... How many months before this woman becomes leader of the opposition?

A month will be too long. Okay I'll stop it. I'm guessing. Six months. Please.

Q2 .... How long before she becomes prime minister?

Please, please, please make it at the next election.

Q3 .... Who will she choose as her deputy?

<thinking> <still thinking>

Well if I were advising her I'd say Bob McMullan. My reasoning is that McMullan is both an electoral and policy wonk, wonk being a good thing. He is smart enough about the system and the party to guard her back and still help make good policy.

This is good therapy msolga, I feel better already just envisioning it

Bob McMullan. He is cute.

I am still kinda in love with John Button.

He was such a good person, methinks. Still is, no doubt!

One of my ACTU friends said she used to end up with him in airports a lot, waiting for planes, and that he is hilarious and a sweetie.

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For a moment there I nearly got misty-eyed. Thinking about John Button standing up and declaiming policy - yes, policy - that was actually about making Australia a better country for everyone. I don't care what the cynics say, the past might have been a different country but in this one it was a better country.

It was a fleeting moment. I'm now back in normal mode, wondering what else our incompetent federal government and incompetent opposition can get up to.

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hingehead wrote:

Oh OK olgs

Q1 .... How many months before this woman becomes leader of the opposition?

Never. ALP just aren't brave/smart enough - and neither are the electorate.

Q2 .... How long before she becomes prime minister?

Never. For the same reason.

Q3 .... Who will she choose as her deputy?

See Q1

Damn I hope I'm wrong.

Damn hope you are, too, hinge!

But seriously, who else is there with her credibility with the elctorate? And Kim's gonna have to go before too long, it's obvious!

Nah, I don't think I'm dreaming, I really think it's going to happen.

(Pssst: Wanna bet on this one? )

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hingehead wrote:

Anyone seen JH squirm when asked how the IR reforms will improve productivity? Bloody darkly hilarious. All they do is improve profits because employers can squeeze savings out of there employees. And I don't know about you, but if I'm getting short shrift from my boss I start looking around for a better job, or I find a new balance between the wage I'm getting and the effort I'm putting in.

I almost sense that JH is pushing these reforms because it has become obvious that power is shifting back to employess (in terms of supply and demand). It's the last flailings of redundant ideology.

Invest in education and invest fast - the world is flat.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0374292884/qid=1128137037/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-3794567-5001445?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Did you see Four Corners last Monday? The "productivity" argument was thoroughly debunked. Yep, business sees productivity purely in terms of profit .... Not achieved by employees being more "productive" (ie producing more goods & services) but through employees being cheaper labour. So a business doesn't have to do anything different to be more competitive & profitable but to pay it's workers less for exactly the job they're doing right now. JH managed to keep a straight face when asked to produce evidence that "productivity gains" would be achieved by more workers being on individual contracts. No such evidence exists, of course. But he spoke with the conviction of a man who'd seen the light, found religion. Bloody frightening!

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dlowan wrote:

I think I will have to go and kill myself.

Not

just

yet.

(Later on, down the track, I might just join you. :wink: )

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goodfielder wrote:

For a moment there I nearly got misty-eyed.

<sigh>

& Barry Jones

& Moss Cass

& Jim Cairns (before Juni :wink:)

& Gough (before East Timor)

& & & ....

<sniff>

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Damn I went from misty-eyed to downright tearful....I might get chucked out of the blokes club for admitting that so..........it didn't happen.

Can I add Bill Hayden (before GG)? He was always one of my big political heroes.

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Sigh....

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goodfielder wrote:

Damn I went from misty-eyed to downright tearful....I might get chucked out of the blokes club for admitting that so..........it didn't happen.

Can I add Bill Hayden (before GG)? He was always one of my big political heroes.

It's cool to cry here, gf. Very Happy

God knows, we've got enough reason! Sad

But when it comes to true believers, the light on the hill & all that, who can resist? Certainly not me! <sniff, honk, splutter!>

Ah, Bill H, working class boy, ex-policeman made good. YES! When he was good he was great. (Damn pity he wet so silly as GG, but never mind, he was certainly salt of the earth for many years before that, yes? Very Happy

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Singing lustily:

Arise, ye workers from your slum - ber,
Arise, ye prisoners of want ....

See what all this talk of good guys from the past does to one! :wink: Oh, for committed politicians who actually care about real people! Name one, active today, any party .. just see if you can think of one solitary example.

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I miss Bill.

I really do.

I used to have an mp3 of Paul Robeson singing Joe Hill at the Sydney Opera House..............when they were building it. It was the impromptu concert he gave to the workers there. Wonderful stuff.

I've got the Billy Bragg homage to Phil Ochs of course.

But that Paul Robeson one, sent shivers up the spine.

I want to see that light on the hill again.

I really do.

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http://www.animationlibrary.com/Animation11/Everything_Else/Smoking/Match_2.gif

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Better than cursing the dark, Deb.

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You'll get no argument on that from me!

I was giving our friend Goodfielder a light.

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goodfielder wrote:

I want to see that light on the hill again.

I really do.

Yes. Even the smallest flicker would do right now. <sigh>

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http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/10/05/thursdaytoon_gallery__470x280,0.jpg

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So...$250 million to correct problems in Immigration.

Aren't Ministers supposed to fall after stuff like this?

Vanstone AND the bugger before her oughta go to the back benches.

This is probably the wrong thread, though, isn't it.

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No Deb, I think it's the right thread, and I agree mandy and phil should be sent back under the rocks they crawled out from under.

Don't you feel history repeating itself? Next election will Labor be highlighting the 'arrogance' of JH?

Actually I think so little of Johnny that I wouldn't be surprised if in his mind he knows he has to go, but if he can't be PM then he's going to make damn sure Peter, Tony etc don't have a shot either.

Maybe it's time to start our own virtual nation, this one depresses me.

John's post-Bali 2 'they hate us and our way of life' speech was appalling, simplistic and borrowed (from GWB) - how low have we sunk? At least many people seemed to acknowledge that the most affected were, and would be, the Balinese themselves.

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He said "they hate our way of life"?

That is, indeed, parroting of the worst and stupidest drek to dribble from Bush's mouth, and I am shocked that Howard has done something so obvious.

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Remember those Tasmanian forestry workers cheering John Howard, just days before the last election? Well here's the story behind their enthusiasm for the anti-union PM. This was indeed a "turning point" in the last election (as this article suggests). After the television footage of the cheering timber workers, Latham was dead in the water. Another "master stroke" by JH! Rolling Eyes

Shame on the CFMEU officials in Tasmania who played along with him for their own ends! Evil or Very Mad

I'm positive this is not the end of their story.

PM's $4m poll deal with union
Brad Norington
October 07, 2005/the Australian

JOHN Howard won the support of timber workers for his vote-winning Tasmanian forests policy just three days before last year's election with an agreement to pay $4 million to a union-controlled company.

The taxpayer-funded deal was negotiated between the Prime Minister's office and the leader of the forestry union, Michael O'Connor, with the millions earmarked for skills and training.

Officially signed off by Mr Howard after the election, the money will flow to an advisory board dominated by Mr O'Connor's union, the financially-strapped forestry division of the Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union.

The left-wing CFMEU is the sworn enemy of Mr Howard, but its renegade forestry division, led by Mr O'Connor, formed a special relationship with the Prime Minister in the last days of the election campaign.

Labor leader Mark Latham had shunned the union proposals.

In a turning point in the election, Mr Howard was cheered by several hundred timber workers when he unveiled the package to preserve 170,000 hectares of Tasmanian old-growth forest with no job losses, three days before the October poll. ... <cont>>

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16840976%255E601,00.html

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