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The NEXT coming Oz election thread!

 
 
ceara
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2005 08:21 pm
I will agree with whatever msolga says. She is a sweety!

I felt sorry for latham though. Poor guy, he has poor health and the media and colleagues swoop in like vultures. With friends like that, who needs enemies.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2005 09:49 pm
Sorry Olga, I have to agree with you as well.

The inside word is Latham is out and Beazley or Rudd is in (please god, let it be Rudd - although we did have that Beazley/Howard synchronicity discussion some time back). Apparently Gilliard and Tanner are no chance because they're ALP left.

Still reckon what we need is a smarter electorate.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 02:00 am
What on earth is Rudd like?
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ceara
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 02:09 am
Can't be any worse than Beasley.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 04:09 am
hingehead wrote:
Sorry Olga, I have to agree with you as well.

The inside word is Latham is out and Beazley or Rudd is in (please god, let it be Rudd - although we did have that Beazley/Howard synchronicity discussion some time back). Apparently Gilliard and Tanner are no chance because they're ALP left.

Still reckon what we need is a smarter electorate.


<sigh>
But you have to hate the ugly way that the ALP is doing business right now!!! That's my major concern here. It's a F**k up! Where are the cool heads?
And the ALP "machine" takes no responsibility for the Senate stuff up ... like how we came to have a Liberal Senate majority for the first time in yonks DIRECTLY as a result of misguided ALP preferences. Stupid stuff! And they should be held accountable for for this. It's not all Latham's fault & I feel very sorry for him being the sole scapegoat .... as faulty as he is ... <sigh>

I rather liked the thought of Gilliard, myself, but as the left is poison right now ....

.. and yes, hinge, a smarter electorate would be a huge bonus! Now there's a challenge!
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 04:23 am
Labor figures issue Latham deadline
January 17, 2005 - 7:03PM/the AGE

Senior figures in the Australian Labor Party have demanded Opposition Leader Mark Latham end the speculation over his leadership by Friday, labelling him an "ailing leader".

With the state Labor government in Western Australia facing an election within weeks, WA Attorney-General Jim McGinty said Mr Latham should reconsider his future as federal party leader.

NSW Premier Bob Carr said the issue had to be resolved by the end of the week, while Queensland Premier Peter Beattie said federal Labor was in danger of bleeding to death.

"To say that Mark Latham is an ailing leader is certainly true," Mr McGinty told reporters.

"It's a matter for the federal party and particularly for Mark Latham but having said that I think it would be very helpful for the Labor party generally if he were to reconsider his position."

Mr Latham, who is battling a second crippling bout of pancreatitis, is under mounting pressure to either release more details about his medical condition or step down, allowing popular former leader Kim Beazley or foreign affairs spokesman Kevin Rudd to contest the leadership.

Mr Latham has been ordered to rest by doctors and will not return to work until Australia Day."
... <cont>

<complete article>
http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Labor-figures-issue-Latham-deadline/2005/01/17/1105810837194.html


Rolling Eyes Yes, yes .... But who created the "speculation"?
Shame, ALP, shame!
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VooDoo
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 04:27 am
I quite like Latham myself. Smile But can someone wake me up when they sort it all out.

A smarter electorate? Call me an optimist but I think it is possible. Certainly, we can strive for a population that is more resistant to easy election talk. Electoral promises are just mutable deliberately partial and interpretive working documents attempting to generate credibility in the fragile and volatile environment of opinion. This is the art of spin, jingle-writing and propaganda. And it has worked so well during the last few elections. *sigh*

My apologies, I still haven't gotten over it.
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ceara
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 04:37 am
You have no hope for a more intelligent electorate. Most voters are like me, total morons.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 04:47 am
VooDoo wrote:
I quite like Latham myself. Smile But can someone wake me up when they sort it all out.

A smarter electorate? Call me an optimist but I think it is possible. Certainly, we can strive for a population that is more resistant to easy election talk. Electoral promises are just mutable deliberately partial and interpretive working documents attempting to generate credibility in the fragile and volatile environment of opinion. This is the art of spin, jingle-writing and propaganda. And it has worked so well during the last few elections. *sigh*

My apologies, I still haven't gotten over it.


One can hope, VooDoo, one can hope ....

But how can this thing <a smarter, more informed electorate> be achieved?
Heaven knows, we had enough material in our daily media about the lies we were told, about everything from "children overboard" to our involvement in the Iraq invasion. What does it take, then?
Obvious answer: A viable opposition with credibility. <sigh>

BTW, I thought latham's policies on Education, health, the elderly & even most of the "green" stuff were good! Wouldn't it be great if all of this wasn't lost in transition?

Welcome to A2K!
~
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 04:54 am
ceara wrote:
You have no hope for a more intelligent electorate. Most voters are like me, total morons.


ceara

You remind me so much of another poster we had here, not so long ago ... "australia".
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 05:05 am
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/01/12/moir_gallery__550x323,0.jpg

Cultural translation for our non-Oz friends: A "chook with it's head off" =
a headless chicken, that is in total confusion & has no idea if what's happening.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 05:06 am
I thought the same thing Olga re Australia Ceara.

Deb Rudd is eminently calm when ever I see a grab of him. Always seems reasonable and considered without resorting to verbosity.

I'm sure the electorate won't buy him but my first impressions are favourable. He's not quite Bob Brown though.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 05:14 am
Yes, agreed on Rudd. Intelligent, informed & doesn't make embarrassing mistakes. (But he reminds me a little of a head prefect, though ....)
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ceara
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 05:19 am
Yep, remember you wanted me to change my name by january 1st. your wish is my command(smile)
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 05:24 am
Haha ... I KNEW that was you!

And thank you for changing your name! I mean that! Very Happy
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ceara
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 05:25 am
Its okay. I did promise I would change it after january 1st. That is when the msolga treaty kicks in.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 05:27 am
A person of your word!
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ceara
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 05:31 am
I felt a bit sorry for Latham. Poor guy is really ill, and colleagues and the media are kicking him while he is down and sick.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 05:47 am
hingehead wrote:
I thought the same thing Olga re Australia Ceara.

Deb Rudd is eminently calm when ever I see a grab of him. Always seems reasonable and considered without resorting to verbosity.

I'm sure the electorate won't buy him but my first impressions are favourable. He's not quite Bob Brown though.


Hmmm - do you know more? Is he right, centre? (I know he won't be left - grrrrr.)

That beaching cartoon is horribly wonderful, Msolga.

I feel very sorry for Latham, too. I hate this stuff.

The end has come, though. The premiers demanding resolution - that is serious.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 06:22 am
Michelle G writing on the coming leadership challenge over a month ago:

After Latham, who's next?
December 8, 2004/the AGE

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/12/08/wbspooner,0.jpg

The ALP is staggering into 2005 in search of yet another "saviour", writes Michelle Grattan.

The line-up for the future leadership of the Labor Party is turning into a beauty parade where all the contestants want to cover up. Kim Beazley? No, no, no, no - over all that, he'd say. Stephen Smith? Just keeping busy at the new job, mate. Wayne Swan? Want to talk about the economy? Kevin Rudd? What, ambitious? You must have the wrong man!

With yesterday's Newspoll showing Labor's primary vote plummeting from 38 per cent to 33 per cent since the election, nobody can write next year's script, but everyone has the storyboards out.

One story is how Kevin Rudd (conspicuously trying to keep his head as low as possible) is suddenly becoming more high profile as a potential candidate.

In the manoeuvring before Mark Latham announced his post-election front bench, Rudd made an unsuccessful play for the shadow treasury. A big economic job would have better positioned Rudd for the future. Despite his doing very well, foreign affairs sidelines him, and will do so more.
... <cont>

<complete article>
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/12/07/1102182289399.html
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