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What are all the causes of violence?

 
 
glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2022 11:18 pm
@jcboy,
It might be easier to follow the nonsense if they at least would spell and use some grammar. Ultimately, it will still be nonsense ....... but at least you wouldn't get bogged down by the annoying illiteracy.
Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jun, 2022 12:40 am
@glitterbag,
If you put Lipstick πŸ’„ on a pig 🐽, it’s still a pig!
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jun, 2022 01:33 am
@glitterbag,
If someone believes the Earth is flat it's because they're incredibly stupid.

I can't see why anybody would want to waste their time talking to such an idiot, especially such a vile bigoted idiot..
bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jun, 2022 06:04 am
@izzythepush,
If someone stupid or crazy says something right, does it make it wrong?

And if you know in your heart that it's right, but you call someone stupid or crazy, what does that make you?
bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jun, 2022 06:40 am
@izzythepush,
Socialists for 100 years now have been trying to get the middle class to attack some imaginary "1%" by using a sort of zero-sum game thinking about American wealth. Painting America as some plunderer of wealth.

Look, it is possible for a country to be rich by exploiting others.

But it is also possible to become wealthy through honest industry. By setting up jobs people want, helping people make ends meet, which in turn helps them afford your product. The car companies had this model for years. Then unions convinced them they were paid too little. Only now they pay the unions dues, see not one more cent, the business gets driven out of the country. Detroit. Now crime and poverty happen. Btw, there's also a tax version of this.
https://www.mackinac.org/socialism-didnt-make-detroit-great

Do you know the real reason why impoverished countries are poor? Well it could be because the US stole their money. But usually, it's that they have shitty government. Worse, all their brightest and best want to be immigrants.

If we were to send even 5% of those brightest and best back to their own country, more wealth would be created than spreading rich people's money around. Why?

Because the rich never pay, which is why they are rich. Who pays? The middle class. Until there is no middle class. Socialism is what causes poverty. And when everyone is jealous of some 1% that now exists because certain people have taken all the money (ahem)
https://cdn.cnsnews.com/pelosi1.jpg
https://bsmedia.business-standard.com/_media/bs/img/misc/2020-07/18/full/20200701146L.jpg
then violence occurs as people rob each other out of need rather than greed.

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hightor
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jun, 2022 06:41 am
@bulmabriefs144,
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If someone stupid or crazy says something right, does it make it wrong?

No, but it doesn't mean they're not stupid or crazy either.

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And if you know in your heart that it's right, but you call someone stupid or crazy, what does that make you?

If you rightly know that someone is stupid or crazy and you call them out on it it makes you observant, honest, and perhaps a bit blunt.

And the fact that a stupid or crazy person occasionally manages to say something factual, like, "It's raining", doesn't change the their underlying imbecility.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jun, 2022 06:46 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

If someone believes the Earth is flat it's because they're incredibly stupid.

I can't see why anybody would want to waste their time talking to such an idiot, especially such a vile bigoted idiot..


Still very much the case.
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bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jun, 2022 07:26 am
@hightor,
You misunderstood.

If someone is actually right, and you know it, but you call them stupid or crazy for it, what does that make you?
A liar. Or a shill for someone else (probly the state). Same difference.

That I believe in flat Earth doesn't make economics wrong.
Or do you doubt the words of Adam Smith?

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And the fact that a stupid or crazy person occasionally manages to say something factual, like, "It's raining", doesn't change the their underlying imbecility.


If someone stupid or crazy says "It's raining" and it is raining, but people use their past stupid/crazy as an excuse why even such a statement cannot be trusted ("Bah it's not raining! That guy believes in aliens"), what can be said of those people? Likely either they are even more insane and cannot see basic reality, they are actively gaslighting and/or the stupid/crazy person never was stupid or crazy.

If you can tell me why the Earth is not flat without
(a) appealing to experts,
(b) appealing to "common sense,"
(c) declaring it's already been proven otherwise (but not showing proof),
(d) giving proof so stupid that I have to yawn,
then maybe maybe calling me stupid or crazy is valid.

Until then, you're stupid/crazy for listening to consensus science rather than deciding for yourself. I decided for myself. Whatever is wrong with that notion, I've fine with that.
hightor
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jun, 2022 11:32 am
@bulmabriefs144,
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You misunderstood.

Your reply was ambiguous.

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If someone is actually right, and you know it, but you call them stupid or crazy for it, what does that make you?

But the earth isn't flat. You're being called stupid or crazy for holding that position.

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That I believe in flat Earth doesn't make economics wrong.

It doesn't mean that you're correct about the shape of the planet, though. Adam Smith's work can stand alone and your hitching a lift on his economic theories hardly enhances your overall credibility.

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If someone stupid or crazy says "It's raining" and it is raining, but people use their past stupid/crazy as an excuse why even such a statement cannot be trusted ("Bah it's not raining! That guy believes in aliens"), what can be said of those people?

You could say they are skeptical about any claims made by stupid people and you could add that it behooves people to consider the source of any factual statement. While I may trust one person's word I may doubt those of someone I believe to be stupid. However it would make more sense to simply go outside and verify it for myself.

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Until then, you're stupid/crazy for listening to consensus science rather than deciding for yourself.

Just for the record, I don't think you're "stupid". But I do think that your over-active imagination is somewhat perverse. You often project a "me against the world" complex and seem to thrive believing you're being persecuted or ridiculed for your beliefs.
vikorr
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jun, 2022 05:09 pm
A. I'm more important than you
B. I want (this includes intangibles like 'respect' or 'to feel better about myself')
C. Give me; or
D. I'll take

If I can't take
-I'll find a group that can help me take

If the group wont help me, I'll work out how to make my allies feel the following against those from whom I want to take:
- outrage against that group
- fearful of them
- I'll dehumanise the others;

or

- I'll appeal to my allies own sense of self-important and greed

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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2022 02:19 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Just for the record, I don't think you're "stupid".


I do. Very stupidpeople think they're quite intellitent because they cannot see the complexity of a situation and go for simple solutions that make matters worse.

If they were slightly more intelligent they would realise they're actually quite dim.

All of that is excusable, people can't help being stupid after all, but this individual is an attetion seeker and a bigot.

And their knowledge of Economics is execrable. I have an A level in it.
bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2022 09:24 pm
@hightor,
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It doesn't mean that you're correct about the shape of the planet, though. Adam Smith's work can stand alone and your hitching a lift on his economic theories hardly enhances your overall credibility.


The point being that whether or not Point A is right has no bearing on Point B. "You are wrong about Point B, so you must be wrong about Point A" is a false equivalency. A marine science expert can be wrong about rocket science. Different fields have different sets of knowledge, so the idea that being crazy is somehow a limiter to coherent thought is nonsense.
There were quite a few crazy scientists who nonetheless did pretty clever work. Hell, Harry Harlow did successfully manage to prove that having loving parents is all-important, even though his Pit of Despair experiment was so sadistic that he basically singlehandedly established a motive to make PETA.

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But the earth isn't flat. You're being called stupid or crazy for holding that position.


But everyone I've asked, they can't explain why it's wrong or stupid. I get a "well, you should know why that's a stupid idea."

Ummm, pardon me for a second, but is that before or after I'm told to "trust the science" on blind faith?

Why is it crazy to believe in a God with plenty of personal experiences, but not crazy to distrust a scientific idea that has flimsy or fake evidence?

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If someone stupid or crazy says "It's raining" and it is raining, but people use their past stupid/crazy as an excuse why even such a statement cannot be trusted ("Bah it's not raining! That guy believes in aliens"), what can be said of those people?


Actually, if something is in plain evidence, and they ignore the evidence, either they have some sort issue, or they're trying to trick me.

Right now, where I live, it is night. If anyone said that it's morning, I could conclude one of three things:
(a) They are being figurative (like "It's two in the morning," only it's not yet after 12, so that's out).
(b) They are gaslighting.
(c) They are screwed up in the head.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2022 09:27 pm
Hunger, envy, long-standing enmity, broken promises, inequity, lies
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bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2022 09:37 pm
@izzythepush,
Izzythepush, as long as I have known you, you're little better than a herd animal. You only speak up when there is a group of people around to jump on a bandwagon. You have nothing interesting or original to add. You accuse other people of being stupid, but your sheeplike personality means that if you don't have at least three people to speak near you, you pretty much have nothing to say.

Ooooh, you got an A in economics. I got an A in marketing, which requires rules of supply and demand, but also knowledge of distribution and advertising. I also know that grades don't mean one understands the material. But I ran my own business, so maybe I do know things you can't from courses or books.

In fact, there is very little that one should trust solely to a book. Without the ability to question what you're taught, you can be taught anything, and you'll accept it. Hawking thinks nothingness is a funnel. Hmmm, should I accept this? No, I don't suppose I will. Because if nothing has no mass or weight or force, how then can it have a shape?
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2022 10:23 pm
@izzythepush,
Even though I don't want to talk to stupid people, they're always desperate for my attention, constantly begging to be noticed so their existance can have some meaning.

Bulmabrief's opinion is that of a gormless idiot.
bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2022 12:02 am
@izzythepush,
I'll have you know that I am full of gorm.

Don't give yourself so much credit. If I weren't bored out ofmy skull, I wouldn't respond to you at all.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2022 12:12 am
@izzythepush,
Please notice me.
bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2022 06:34 am
@izzythepush,
See? Izzythepush even wants to be noticed by himself.

But won't do it.

https://c.tenor.com/TZg3dzrTl_wAAAAd/anime-tsundere.gif
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