I can't imagine that he could stomach leaving on this note.
Funny... I was thinking he couldn't stomach coming back to that.
I think it all depends on who they hire as head coach. There is some talk of the GM not really wanting Favre to come back so he may hire a new coach with a new system to try to force him out. Favre has already said he does not want to go through learning a new system.
That's a good point.
I thought Sherman was absolutely the worst coach for Favre -- way too indulgent. A new coach that pisses him off could be perfect, if he's kept this side of completely quitting. A pissed-off, "I'll show you, asshole" Favre does way better than an unchallenged, complacent Favre.
They may have done badly enough to get some good draft picks, which together with people getting healthy could be an attractive scenario to return to. (They do have the personnel if they just stay healthy and get motivated.)
sozobe wrote:They may have done badly enough to get some good draft picks, which together with people getting healthy could be an attractive scenario to return to. (They do have the personnel if they just stay healthy and get motivated.)
I might be willing to agree with that.
I was listening to some talk radio guys discussing this topic and what they said was "IF we get a good draft and IF we pick up a couple of free agents and IF our guys come back healthy and IF Green returns to his previous running back form that there is a good chance for a good season next year*."
[size=7]*Disclaimer: Any instances of the word "we" or "our" in the above quote refer to the talk of actual GB fans and in no way reflect my own feelings about the GB Packers who are not "my" team[/size]
I would agree with that, but that is a lot of IFs and wonder if Favre is thinking along those lines as well.
Unless things are really bad with Deanna (not sure of the latest there), I really think he'll be looking for any excuse to go out on a higher note than this sorry season. Even if it's not a super bowl, just not THIS.
How about this?
IF 50% of the Packer's injured players return, IF they sign 50% of their free agents, and IF they win those close games that could have gone either way, they'll be first in the NFC North next year.
That's not such a tall order, actually. Except that Favre needs to come back. That goes without saying.
And who needs Green? Ditch him. We've got Gado, and he doesn't fumble every third carry.
Go Pack!
Gado will make a fine back up, but we require Green or Davenport to get defenses to truly respect the run.
I don't believe anyone in Green Bay, least of all the GM, wants Brett Favre to hang up the cleats. Even in this, his most dismal season, he outperformed half the quarterbacks in the league. This without his best receivers and a running game that worked only because safeties could largely ignore the run with our backup's backups carrying the ball.
Granted, he threw some horrible passes (a lot of um), but that's what desperate quarterbacks do when they want to win. Sherman basically forced him to do so by calling run on virtually every first down, despite our dismal running attack. A coach like Mike Martz would have recognized the only way to overcome so much injury was to turn the ball over to the greatest quarterback of all time and roll the dice. I'm talking 2 minute drill from start to finish. If the man could have as many chances as he chose; I doubt he'd throw so many desperate passes into double and triple coverage. Our young defense played very well as it was, and wouldn't be likely to tire as fast as opponents because of their youth. Sherman's conservative nature is passable with a healthy, talented team, but that's not what he was coaching.
I believe that Sherman was cut, because he really needed to be, at the risk of loosing Brett; not to encourage it. The downside is: Mariuchi is the guy most likely to bring Brett back... and his coaching is a carbon copy of the Sherman/Holmgren/Run-no-matter-what-nonsense... and he's a pushover to boot.
On the other hand; a healthy Brett Favre with a reasonably talented team, always has a shot no matter how lousy the coaching, so I'm all for hiring Mooch.
Go Packers!
When I was looking for stuff about Deanna (seems fine) I read some stuff about how the GM wants to rebuild the team, and Favre's salary is hard to work around. So I could believe it, though I disagree with it.
Steve Mariucci would be interesting.
Big salary, that's for sure. But think of the revenues you'd lose from not selling #4 paraphernalia alone!
I think as shareholders we owe it to the fans to write our feelings on returning Brett and forward them to the front office... whatcha think?
Thompson doesn't sound adverse to a Brett return in
this story
[URL=http://www.packers.com/news/stories/2006/01/02/3/]Packers.com interview[/URL] wrote:Brett Favre was the only player who did not attend the team meeting. He left Sunday night to return to his Hattiesburg, Miss. home. Favre did not sway Thompson's decision, and the general manager hopes the future Hall of Famer returns for his 16th NFL season. He emphasized that Favre has not suffered a major injury during his professional career and remains a franchise quarterback.
"From a physical standpoint, I don't think I saw any less of a player than I've seen in the past," Thompson said. "There were some games where he made some decisions that I'm sure he wishes he could have back."
Fingers crossed.
I'm trying to remember and find the original article that made me go hmmm... this one has a lot of sin of omission stuff.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/13535862.htm
Like,
Quote:Packers general manager Ted Thompson said Favre was not included in or asked to contribute to the decision-making process to fire Sherman, and his possible retirement in the coming months had no bearing, either.
"No, he's not a part of it," said Thompson. "Eventually Brett Favre will retire and go back to Mississippi. But that didn't have any sway in this particular decision, no. I haven't discussed this with him and I don't think it's appropriate to discuss something like this with a player."
Interesting read. I especially liked this part:
Quote:"As well as I know him, he could recharge (for another season)," said Jones. "He's a winner and he wants to win, and if he sees any opportunity to win, he's coming back. If he doesn't see the opportunity to win, he's not coming back. That's just him. I would say it's 50-50. I would say he's going to do a whole lot of thinking in a deer stand."
Mark the calendars, then, for Feb. 15.
I hope he doesn't wait that long to tell us... but if his friend is right; every day he doesn't announce retirement increases the chances of his return...
I guess I can wait. :wink:
(edited out repeated portion)
Oh, I also agree with Thompson that Brett had no business in the decision to fire Mike. Surely he'll want to know Brett's intentions before draft day, but Sherman had to go and it's the GM's job alone to make that decision. I would have done it exactly the same way.
True, but it's not the words (or tone) of someone bending over backwards to appease Brett.
True, but would you, or do you think Brett would respect his leadership if he did? I wouldn't. A leader has to lead. I want a GM who puts a higher priority on the direction of the Green Bay Packers than the potential return of Brett Favre. While that may be an oxymoronic (word?) statement, I believe Thompson is playing his cards exactly right. I would have to consider him incompetent if he returned Sherman only to lose Brett to retirement anyway. Of course that is do in large part to my shared opinion that Sherman had to go, regardless.
Me too. I'm not necessarily anti-Thompson -- I'm just pointing out that I'm not at all convinced that, in his mind, putting a higher priority on the direction of the Green Bay packers includes doing all he can to keep Brett. The impression I have after reading a few things is he wouldn't be too heartbroken to see Brett go and might in fact be trying to nudge things in that direction.
I don't think he'd want that blood on his hands, though, so even if he's nudging I think he'd stop before doing anything too overt and go with it if Brett decides to come back.
(And as an aside, I can think of few things that would stack the deck in favor of his return so much as knowing or suspecting that the GM wants him gone...)
Agreed. Even with his magnificent career, I believe his performance last year was so un-Favre-like that the more people think he can't do it anymore, always reminding him he has nothing left to prove, the more likely he'll feel like he does have something left to prove. I think he has plenty of football left in him and if I were a praying man; I'd be praying he came back to prove it.
And to hell with one more year
why not 3 or 5
or 10? How old was Warren Moon when he was retired?
Go Pack Go!
Man are you guys in trouble. The new coaching staff is iffy at best. Favre looks like he's leaving... You guys could be in for another loooong season.
I'm wondering if I can root for the Seahawks as the reincarnation of Green Bay (Holmgren, Hasselbeck).
Sigh.
Any time you want to jump off of the GB band wagon is ok by me, soz :wink:
Did you here that interview with Favre? He really sounds like he is done with. Even if he does come back he doesn't sound like the kind of person you want on your team.
Nope, don't know about any interview -- link to a transcript, maybe? (I'm a sucker for punishment...)
