WHY ARE WORKING PEOPLE VOTING [D]

Come..on WHY?

Come..on WHY?

clarify
I don't think I understand your post...do you think voting is a waste of time or what? Do you think it's something the working people should know better than to participate in?

WHY ARE WORKING PEOPLE VOTING [D]
My point is that the democratic party has changed so drasticly over the past twenty years. They used to represent people who worked, for a living wage ,like myself. Now they are only interested promoting there own power.By taking the working mans money and giving it not to the unable but the unwilling!

I must agree to a certain point there brown....

As time goes by people get lazier and expect handouts... they are unwilling to work and support their families.... and look for others to bail them out for making some "not so wise decisions in life"

I blame the people for that and not the government....

Back in the day men took care of their families.... now we have dead beat parents all over the place...

Back in the day mothers took care of their children... now we have women who starve them or just have them for a welfarte check...

Its sad... but then again we are the enablers... all people the USA.

I have been a firm believer in welfare, I just dont like the way its run...There should be limits...

6 months of free food, job training, childcare and assistance is all it should take for someone to get back on their feet. Alot of people do it without all the free assistance, they just have to work quite a bit harder to make it happen then those riding the gravy train....

As for the sick, that of course is a different story....

We qualified for food stamps when I was a private in the army and my husband was a full time student going for his masters degree.... did we take them? NO

I got another job delivering pizzas at night and washing cars on the weekends, when I wasnt doing army things, to support us... I guess some people just want to take the easy way...

Cant force a person to work or support their kids and families, and you cant put them in jail for refusing to work....Its a free country, but what you can do is take away the money and assistance and give it to someone that needs it more...

What a crock. Bill Clinton passed the biggest change in Welfare in the history of the country, but some people refuse to notice. Those would be the die-hard anti-Dems who are blind to reality.
Reality is that under George Bush real wages for working people have gone down, income for those making less than $100,000.00 but more the $30,000.00 has gone down and their taxes? The actual amount paid out in taxes for that group has stayed flat or, depending on their place of residence gone up.

Meanwhile, the top 2 percent had received the largest tax rebate ever.

Democrat is the party for the working people.

WHY ARE WORKING PEOPLE VOTING [D]
armyvet35 I agree in toto. in order to refer to ourselfs as a society we MUST ! Provide for our, sick , poor, and elderly. But we have to regulate who needs asistance, and who's taking advantage . I live in a state , that taxes a person making [19gyr] to pay for services beyond the norm. In MA. ,turning one down for a social program is considerd descrimanation. Regardless of means. Truely the working people here are BEING DISABLED!

Joe Nation..... the tax cut bush put throu with the votes of your party is day one economics. You make more you get more back! this is a capatolist nation , like it or not. ..........also I believe in private sector job creation not creating government jobs by taxing me.

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Let us just look at the tax brackets before and after the Bush tax cuts and see what happened to them.

Before................After.........Delta
15........................10.............-5% First 25% of this bracket went to 10%
15........................15..............0% not much here
28........................25.............-3%
31%.....................28%..........-3%
36%.....................33%..........-3%
39.6%..................35%..........-4.6 Largest percent cut here

As is clearly shown the top earners got not only the largest dollar amount, but also the largest percentage change. Since the tax package also had changes in credits for children it was possible to show individual circumstances that made the picture look different.

Let us also not forget that any income in the top brackets has already passed the limit for social security payroll deductions.

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Ah, the hoary head of welfare queens is it?

So tell us, if the Dems are not helping the working person, how does the GOP do so effectively?

Personally, I think your remarks are ignorant, self-serving nonsense.

Classical political thought says that the purpose of government is to do justice for its citizens. Part of this obligation is to foster conditions in which wealth is produced. The obligation is not met by substituting the wealth-producer for the government.

But that is all that George Bush and his administration has touted as necessary for the fulfillment of the social contract, the tie that binds us.

The normal and proper aim of the corporate community is to make money for its managers and for the owners of business all the better if its members also contribute to the general prosperity. However, business acts on the prevailing business philosophy, which claims that corporate self-interest eventually produces the general interest. This comfortable belief rests on misinterpretation of the theory of market rationality proposed by Adam Smith.

He would have found the market primitivism of the current day unrecognizable. He saw the necessity for public intervention to create or sustain the public interest, and took for granted the existence of a government responsible to the community as a whole, providing the structure within which the economy functions.

Business looks after the interests of businessmen and corporation stockholders. Stark and selfish self-interest obviously is not what motivates most American businessmen and -women, but it is the doctrine of the contemporary corporation and of the modern American business school.

But it does not automatically serve the general interest, as any 18th century rationalist would acknowledge - or any 21st century realist....but not someone like you.

How sad.

im not going to lie mesquite, I can't figure out that chart! Whos who, as far as income. Keeping in mind anyone who gets a refund instead of making out check is not a tax payer. Thats two or three of your six colums. If a low income person recieves alesser tax refund ,That deosn't mean they're being taxed more, It means they're given less. this argument proves positive the fundemental diferences between the two parties. Why is 4.6 A greater % than 5.

Georgia, What the chart shows is the marginal tax brackets (the percent tax for each new dollar earned) before and after the Bush tax cuts. I added a taxable income column to show the income range for each bracket. The income ranges are for a married couple filing jointly.

The 5% reduction on the lowest income range is larger than than the 4.6% given to the top end, but it only applies to the first 1/4 of the old 15% bracket.

Refunds have nothing to do with this chart. They are a function of withholding, and credits.

...Taxable
...Income........................Before..........After.........Delta
$0.to.$14,000.................15%...........10%...........-5%
$14,000.to.$56,800........15%............15%............0% not much here
$56,800.to.$114,650......28%............25%...........-3%
$114,650.to.$174,700....31%............28%..........-3%
$174,700.to.$311,950....36%............33%..........-3%
Over $311,950...............39.6%..........35%..........-4.6 Largest percent cut here

When you look at the chart, note that the taxable income group which got NO reduction in the marginal tax rates was $14,000 to $56,800.

Keep in mind that those figures are for taxable income, not gross income, so you can see that is a rather large range of income that got nearly squat if no child tax credit was available. I rather think that many people in that income range consider themselves middle class.

What it shows, GB, is that all those clerks and waiters, all those people answering phones, filing papers, moving products, loading trucks, checking invoices and hundreds of other middle level jobs got no tax relief. If you made between 14,000 and 56,000 and had no children, Bush hasn't even given you the time of day.

Joe

thanks mesquite, interesting

What is not shown in the chart above is the additional 12.4% FICA (Social Security) payroll tax that is applied only to the first $87,000 dollars of earned income (wages, salary, tips).

This raises the 15% bracket to 27.4% for workers and has no effect on the upper brackets since they are above the $87,000 cap.

When discussing progressive tax rates and relative fairness, it sometimes helps to look at history and see where we have been. A chart showing the Maximum marginal tax rate from 1916 to present can be found here. Note that during times that this country has been involved in expensive wars, the max rate has been much higher than now. It reached a peak of 94% in 1944/1945. To see what the Max tax rate used to be during the years that this country developed it's strong middle class can be quite an eye opener compared to the rhetoric of the right wing. I wish I could post it directly, but tabular data gets hosed with copy and paste.

Mesquite

Kuvasz
For starters the G.O.P. will defend our nation . Then they will put more of my money in my pockect . Then i'll buy A more expencive car, And the salesman will leave a bigger tip for the waitress at lunch , and so on . You have heard this before.

This is how a better Quality of life is achived for EVERYBODY!. There are now and always will be safegaurds for the down and out , beacouse we have a conciance as a sosiety I interperate your Question as " what about the people who don't want to work or contribute" " How do we improve there quallity of life" In my opinion we don't .

I will adress your remark that I am ignorant just to make mention . I won't disscus ignorance with a post 911 supporter of what the democrat party has turned into .


also you mentiond " classic political thought " but never the constatution . And niether has pres. Bush I disagree with all his social policies . he's acting from a different school of thought than mine. I would think it was more in sinc with yours. But some people hate him just becouse of the [R] next to his name.

how sad!

Mesquite

not to big on economics, thank you for putting it in in my language .
It deosnt change my beliefs, on job creation and capitolism. im in favor of those cuts . even if your figures are correct . when it comes to numbers I am IGNORANT! thanks agian

Georgia, you do not have to be big on economics to understand that you cannot continually spend more than you earn. For example you cannot earn $10,000 a year and spend $12,000 by putting $2,000 on a credit card. Because as you do that, the payments on the loan and it's interest will take an ever larger chunk of you income. Your credit rating will soon be bad and interest rates will go up making the problem even worse.

That is exactly what George Bush is doing to our country with his excessive tax cuts for the wealthy and his war in Iraq. This country cannot continue to spend like a drunken sailor while reducing it's income. Eventually someone will have to pay the piper. It could be you, it most certainly will be your kids or grandkids.

Just four years ago, we had a surplus and were beginning to pay off our debt. Today the deficit spending is worse than it has ever been.

Capitalism is great, but not unbridled capitalism driven by pure greed.

mesquite

Bushs spending is a result of a war waged on US! am I the only person on this board who notices a difference in the Manhattan skyline?

As I said before I am not an economist evidently you are . I like everyone else have to pay taxes, A liberal would think im oposed that but im not .Regardless of what that montery figure, miht be for me , or someone else . When will just one modern day dem. agree that my opion on how that money is spent , is equil to theres. Im the tax payer !