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Russia accused of orchestrating a coup in Montenegro.

 
 
camlok
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2017 06:01 pm
@Blickers,
The US only uses, and abuses peoples and other nations, all to expand its monied interest, its thieving from around the planet.

Quote:

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2016/0726/Why-some-South-Koreans-don-t-want-shield-from-North-s-missiles

Yet there is a looming obstacle to this missile defense shield – opposition from within South Korea. Last week, thousands of demonstrators from Seongju County, where THAAD would be deployed, filled the streets of Seoul, watched by hundreds of riot police. Many of Seongju’s residents fear the system’s radars would emit harmful radiation and make them a certain target during a conflict with North Korea.

Some South Korean academics and legislators also oppose THAAD. They warn that Seoul risks becoming a pawn on a strategic chessboard as the United States moves to counter China’s influence in East Asia and the South China Sea.

“This is all about expanding the United States’ missile defense system, not serving South Korea’s needs,” says Choi Jong-kun, a professor of political science and international studies at Yonsei University in Seoul. He and others say THAAD is worsening relations with China at a time when its help is needed on enforcing sanctions on North Korea and encouraging Pyongyang to end its development of nuclear weapons.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2017 06:04 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:

Gotta hand it to you, camlok. You know how to back a loser.


So does Putin if he thinks anyone's paying any attention to Camlok's horseshit
camlok
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2017 06:29 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
So does Putin if he thinks anyone's paying any attention to Camlok's horseshit


Now that's just plain wacky as can be, Izzy. It makes no sense whatsoever. How old are you, eight?
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Blickers
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2017 10:46 pm
@camlok,
Yes, camlok. Russia and China helped Korea to throw out the side which presently enables South Koreans to live 11 years longer than North Koreans, enables South Koreans to eat luxury meals while North Koreans try to survive on food rations, and enables South Koreans to make 25 times the income of North Koreans. Oh yeah, great move, that one.

That rationing of food resulting in North Korean men being 3 inches shorter than South Korean men really does lead to some startling results. Take a look at this North Korean propaganda video, especially the first part. The North Korean soldiers look they're 12 and 13 years old. And this video was supposed to inspire awe.







camlok
 
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Reply Fri 10 Mar, 2017 11:46 am
@Blickers,
Quote:
while North Koreans try to survive on food rations,


Such is the despicable, cruel nature of US terrorism. Just look at Cuba, Vietnam after they threw out the US. The US kept a tight terrorist embargo against them until Japan said enough of this BS, then the US, under Clinton, changed US policy.
Blickers
 
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Reply Fri 10 Mar, 2017 12:41 pm
@camlok,
Surely you can't be blaming the US for the fact that North Koreans have their food rationed? Why, North Korea's strong ally Russia should have no trouble filling the gap of any US embargoes with the overflow of Russia's very own vibrant economy.

Heavens, how can Russia leave its good friend North Korea in the lurch like that?
camlok
 
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Reply Fri 10 Mar, 2017 01:44 pm
@Blickers,
Such patent dishonesty, Blickers.
Blickers
 
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Reply Fri 10 Mar, 2017 02:05 pm
@camlok,
Nothing dishonest, just facts. North Korea went with Russia and China, South Korea went with the West, and now North Korea is horribly broke and it's people living on food rations while South Korea has a booming First World economy. Same people, same country, same history. Korea is a perfect example of what happens when you join Russia vs what happens when you join the West.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 10 Mar, 2017 02:16 pm
@Blickers,
It's beyond bad, only an idiot, or a lunatic would support North Korea's foul regime.

Quote:
Sung Min Jeong, 44, claims that in Chongjin – a city at the tip of the North Korean coast – a shopkeeper serves up human meat.

"One of his strongest thoughts is … if he didn't take steps to leave North Korea, he would've become a North Korean who ate human flesh," an interpreter for Mr Jeong told news.com.au.

The thought that he would have to one day eat a fellow human being is what drove Mr Jeong to leave his homeland behind and to escape to Sydney in March 2011.
It is not the first time reports of cannibalism have emerged from the secretive state.

Fears that famine-stricken North Koreans are being forced to eat human flesh heightened earlier this year following claims a man was executed for murdering his two children for food.

"While his wife was away on business he killed his eldest daughter and, because his son saw what he had done, he killed his son as well. When the wife came home, he offered her food, saying: 'We have meat,'" a source told The Independent.

"But his wife, suspicious, notified the Ministry of Public Security, which led to the discovery of part of their children's bodies under the eaves."


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/392610/North-Korean-reveals-cannibalism-is-common-after-escaping-starving-state
ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 10 Mar, 2017 02:36 pm
Forbes opinion piece

montenegro-awaits-senate-verdict-president

Financial Times take

https://www.ft.com/content/300e6f60-03ec-11e7-aa5b-6bb07f5c8e12

Quote:
Montenegro coup suspects push for poll to foil Nato bid


Quote:
Pro-Russian politicians in Montenegro accused of attempting a failed, Kremlin-backed coup to stop the country joining Nato are planning an unauthorised referendum to rally public hostility to the alliance.

The attempt will add to fears that Russia is backing attempts to turn parts of the Balkans away from greater integration with the west, in part by supporting ideologues and militant nationalist groups.
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Blickers
 
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Reply Fri 10 Mar, 2017 02:37 pm
@izzythepush,
Oh, my god.

I knew North Korea was bad, but I never suspected this.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 10 Mar, 2017 03:49 pm
@Blickers,
The news report is a few years old, the situation has improved a bit since then but it's still bloody terrible.

And I say that as a Castro supporting Socialist.
ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Fri 10 Mar, 2017 04:17 pm
@izzythepush,
So, have you ever read any of Leonardo Padura's books? I've a good one on my bookshelf, "Havana Red". You might like them.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 10 Mar, 2017 05:40 pm
@ossobucotemp,
I've not. Just got Mott the Hoople off Amazon.
Blickers
 
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Reply Fri 10 Mar, 2017 07:08 pm
@izzythepush,
Ah yes. I remember seeing them at the Fillmore East back when. Nobody had ever heard of them then.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 10 Mar, 2017 07:11 pm
@Blickers,
I've just got the book that the band got its name from. It's been out of print for a while and cost a bit. I've been a fan of the band for a bit, wish I'd seen them.
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camlok
 
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Reply Fri 10 Mar, 2017 08:26 pm
@Blickers,
Korea is a perfect example of what happens when the terrorist USA gets its claws in you. The US/CIA propaganda that hid the US supported slaughter of people in the south of Korea is but a tiny instance of what the US has done. Vietnam was the same thing.

Indonesia, where, under direct US supervision,

... in four months,
five times
as many
people died in
Indonesia as in
Vietnam in
twelve years."
-- Bertrand Russell, 1966

Quote:
The Top 10 Most Inhuman Henry Kissinger Quotes
Ten quotes illustrate his megalomania and indifference to the deaths of untold numbers of civilians.

...

3. Bombing Vietnam: "It's wave after wave of planes. You see, they can't see the B-52 and they dropped a million pounds of bombs ... I bet you we will have had more planes over there in one day than Johnson had in a month ... each plane can carry about 10 times the load of World War II plane could carry." (link)

4. Khmer Rouge: “How many people did (Khmer Rouge Foreign Minister Ieng Sary) kill? Tens of thousands? You should tell the Cambodians (i.e., Khmer Rouge) that we will be friends with them. They are murderous thugs, but we won’t let that stand in the way. We are prepared to improve relations with them. Tell them the latter part, but don’t tell them what I said before.” (Nov. 26, 1975 meeting with Thai foreign minister)

http://www.alternet.org/world/top-10-most-inhuman-henry-kissinger-quotes


camlok
 
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Reply Fri 10 Mar, 2017 08:34 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
only an idiot, or a lunatic would support North Korea's foul regime.


Quote:
Fears that famine-stricken North Koreans are being forced to eat human flesh heightened earlier this year following claims a man was executed for murdering his two children for food.

"While his wife was away on business he killed his eldest daughter and, because his son saw what he had done, he killed his son as well. When the wife came home, he offered her food, saying: 'We have meat,'" a source told The Independent.

"But his wife, suspicious, notified the Ministry of Public Security, which led to the discovery of part of their children's bodies under the eaves."


Talk about a body that is completely brain addled by propaganda. The man was executed by the government for his actions.

Can you two dim bulbs read?

In another thread, Izzy describes how evil the US is/was regarding its use of Agent Orange in Vietnam. He fails to mention that the article comes from an Australian source, the same country, who like the UK, supported the US in its Vietnam, Indonesia, East Timor genocides.

What makes you think that things were any different in Korea, or Nicaragua, or Cambodia or Laos or China or the Philippines or Guatemala or ... ?
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Blickers
 
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Reply Fri 10 Mar, 2017 11:30 pm
@camlok,
Quote camlok:
Quote:
Korea is a perfect example of what happens when the terrorist USA gets its claws in you.

Yes, you get massive prosperity, a First World standard of living, 11 extra years to live and a GDP per capita that is 25 times higher than the people who chose to go with Russia.

Quote camlok:
Quote:
Indonesia,

Okay, let's see how Indonesia is doing after it threw it's hat into the Western camp. Let's see the GDP per capita:

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah279/LeviStubbs/Indonesia%20GDP%20per%20capita_zpstd6qmavc.jpg
Wow, for the past 36 years, Indonesia has had very fast growth rate per capita, about 3.6%. That's excellent. And does Russia have allies whose economies blossomed when they entered the Russian economic orbit? No, Russia has former allies whose economies blossomed when they got free of Russia. Note Poland and the Czech Republic, who left the Russian economic orbit in 1991:

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah279/LeviStubbs/poland-gdp-per-capita_zpsxogvzuik.png
Poland's economy zoomed right up once it got free of Russia.

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah279/LeviStubbs/czech-republic-gdp-per-capita_zpskeqzgk2a.png
The Czech Republic did even better once it got free of Russia. So did almost all of Eastern Europe. They all got better as soon as they were able to pry the Russian albatross off their neck. That's why they all applied to NATO-they didn't want Russia back. For reasons that are quite obvious to anyone except one who is dedicated to advancing the Kremlin viewpoint on the internet.





cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 11 Mar, 2017 12:29 am
The Poland graph is interesting to the extent that the 2008-2009 crash didn't seem to have had any impact on their economy.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261560609000941
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