Russia accused of orchestrating a coup in Montenegro.

@ehBeth,

Don't those repulsive people just make you sick?

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if only Putin could do something about Mantovani

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@djjd62,

What kind of a person would make jokes, silly or not, about a topic that is about the deaths and suffering of millions?

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@camlok,

yeah really

some kind of creep i'm guessing

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@djjd62,

Of the lowest form, sort of death camp humor.

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@camlok,

i only ever went to summer camp

there was nothing funny about it, believe me

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Ukrainians who did not support the coup mounted by “our western partners” with the backing of radical nationalists, are being suppressed by the military force, Putin said speaking about the situation in the neighboring state.

“We’re no fools. We saw symbolic cookies handed out on [by Victoria Nuland] Maidan, information support, political support. What that means? A full involvement of the US and European nations into the process of the power change: a violent unconstitutional power change.”

“And the part of the country that disagreed with that is being suppressed with the use of jets, artillery, multiple launch systems and tanks,” Putin said. “If these are today’s European values – I’m gravely disappointed.”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/anything-the-us-touches-turns-into-libya-or-iraq-vladimir-putin/5398625?print=1

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@camlok,

A person of substance with play or irony.

Who are you?

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@camlok,

My favorite writer is Primo Levi. I remember him telling normal sort of stories in terrible times, just post the times....some of it almost funny, a lot very horrible.

I think Panzade has read all of his books, not sure.

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@camlok,

Quote camlok:

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Ukrainians who did not support the coup mounted by “our western partners” with the backing of radical nationalists, are being suppressed by the military force, Putin said speaking about the situation in the neighboring state.

Oh, you mean the Eastern separatist rebels who Russia supplied with arms, irregular troops and regular troops as well who plan to secede from Ukraine? What happens when foreign backed, (in this case, Russia), militias rise up and claim that they are no longer part of your country? You send in the army, of course.

Naturally Putin is not going to like that Ukraine has the nerve to try to preserve their own country after Putin went through all that trouble to get the Eastern rebels to break away.

But the question is: After Russia's history of holding Eastern Europe militarily hostage, and poor, for half a century after WWII, who in their right mind believes Putin would tell the truth? Fact: Putin wants control of Eastern Europe.

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@Blickers,

Well, Putin has friends in high places - if you get my drift.

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@roger,

LOL @ roger. Very Happy

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@camlok,

Want to know why the Ukrainian people wanted to join the EU and not Russia's stupid broke-ass economic union? Take a look at the GDP per capita for Russia and for Poland and the Czech Republic, who broke away from Russian economic influence.

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah279/LeviStubbs/russia-gdp-per-capita_zpsspbxzzpw.png

In Russia, which would be the anchor of the Russian economic union, the GDP per capita is less than $12,000.

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah279/LeviStubbs/poland-gdp-per-capita_zpsxogvzuik.png

In Poland, it is somewhat higher-$15,000. And Russia is supposed to be the "leader" of their economic union-they make less than the Poles! Poland has left Russia behind economically.

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah279/LeviStubbs/czech-republic-gdp-per-capita_zpskeqzgk2a.png

Here, the Czech Republic is way out of Russia's league-they have a $21,000 per capita GDP. The other Eastern European countries show the same thing-the farther away you get from Russia economically, the better off you are. That's why Ukraine wanted to join the EU-to get away from Russia economically and to be able to give themselves and their children a better life.

Ukraine protests after Yanukovych EU deal rejection[/b]

Thousands of people have staged fresh protests in Ukraine's capital, Kiev, at President Viktor Yanukovych's refusal to sign an EU association agreement.

Some 10,000 Demonstrators in Independence Square carried Ukrainian and EU flags late on Friday and chanted "Ukraine is Europe".

Mr Yanukovych, who attended an EU summit in Lithuania on Friday cited pressure from Russia for his decision.

A smaller rally in Kiev voiced support for the president's decision.

EU leaders meeting in the Lithuanian capital, Vilnius, warned on Friday they would not tolerate Russian interference in the bloc's relations with former Soviet republics.
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"The times of limited sovereignty are over in Europe," said European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso after a summit in Lithuania, at which provisional accords were reached with Georgia and Moldova.
'Stole our dream'

Last week, Mr Yanukovych announced he was suspending preparations for signing an association agreement in Vilnius, which would have opened borders to goods and set the stage for travel restrictions to be eased.

The current choice of the Ukrainian leadership means putting limits on the Ukrainian people's chances of achieving a better life
Dalia Grybauskaite, Lithuanian President

He argued Ukraine could not afford to sacrifice trade with Russia, which opposed the deal. He also described an EU offer to lend Ukraine 610m euros (£510m; $828m) as inadequate and said it would need at least 20bn euros a year to upgrade its economy to "European standards".

In comments reported on his website on Friday, Mr Yanukovych said he still intended to sign an agreement, but that there were "several crucial steps left to be made".

The daughter of jailed opposition leader Yulia Tymoshenko told the BBC on Friday that the president's reasons for not signing were "false".

She said her mother, who has begun a hunger strike against Mr Yanukovych's decision, had been refused access to her lawyer and they were increasingly concerned for her health.
Orange Revolution

Mr Yanukovych's decision to walk away from the EU deal brought thousands of protesters onto the streets of Kiev and the western city of Lviv on Friday evening.
Media captionEugenia Tymoshenko: "We are worried for her because she is on her fifth day of hunger strike"

Opposition leaders called for large-scale protests on Sunday in Independence Square - the epicentre of the 2004 Orange Revolution that forced a re-run of a disputed presidential election that had been won by Mr Yanukovych - and elsewhere.

"We will conduct massive protest actions in all of Ukraine. They must witness our strength," said Arseniy Yatsenyuk, an ally of Yulia Tymoshenko.

World boxing champion and prominent opposition figure Vitaly Klitschko told the crowd: "Today they stole our dream, our dream of living in a normal country."
Image caption Opposition leaders called for large-scale protests in Independence Square

Several small scuffles between protesters and the 2,000 riot police deployed around the square were reported, but no major clashes, according to the Associated Press.

There was also a smaller demonstration in support of Mr Yanukovych by about 3,000 to 4,000 people a few hundred metres away in Kiev's European Square.

"If we had signed, we would have opened our borders and killed our own manufacturers," Anatoliy Bliznyuk, an MP from Mr Yanukovych's Regions Party, told the Reuters news agency.
'Door always open'

EU leaders said in a statement that they "strongly" disapproved of Moscow's pressure on Ukraine not to sign - while Russian President Vladimir Putin accused the EU of "blackmail".

"I see this as a defeat for Ukraine," said Lithuania's President, Dalia Grybauskaite. "The current choice of the Ukrainian leadership means putting limits on the Ukrainian people's chances of achieving a better life."
Media captionEU Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso described Russia's interference as "contrary to all principles of international law"

EU Council President Herman Van Rompuy said the parties had been "really close" to signing the association agreement in Vilnius, but added: "We need to overcome pressure from abroad".

"We are embarked on a long journey, helping Ukraine to become, as others, what we call now, 'new member states'. But we have to set aside short-term political calculations."

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said the door would always remain open for Ukraine.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-25162563

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@camlok,

So Britain didn't invade Syria and you were lying. You do that a lot. You're very good at throwing people's nationality in their faces and blaming them for all bad things done by their country. Yet you are petrified of disclosing your own nationality. Just like JTT.

Using your own logic your country must be responsible for horrific war crimes and you probably took an active role in that. Lots of **** has gone down in Syria since JTT left. JTT was really creepy about thirteen year old girls, and I can see the Assad regime would have a use for someone like that.

Speculation aside, you are a propagandist and you're deceptive. You bring nothing to the conversation so, like JTT, you're going on ignore.

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@Blickers,

Blickers wrote:

Fact: Putin wants control of Eastern Europe.

For a lot of Russians the story has been one of decline since the collapse of the USSR. Yeltsin was dependent on Western money, organised crime ran riot, and former satellites peeled away to join NATO.

This decline was stopped in 2008 with Russia's support for separatists in South Ossetia, and as Georgia was not a NATO member Putin was able to use the full force of Russia's military against a pro Western democratic country.

Russia has a concept of near abroad, those countries which were once part of its empire that should still bow to Russian dominance. Not so much the countries annexed during WW2, like Poland, Bulgaria and Hungary, but definitely those part of the pre war Russian empire. That's why they interfered in Ukraine, supported Serb nationalist extremists like Milosevic, tried to enact a coup in Montenegro, and are propping up Assad to maintain a base in the Mediterranean.

Moldova is of huge concern, the people are sick of Russian dominance, but rightly scared of becoming the next Ukraine.

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@izzythepush,

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For a lot of Russians the story has been one of decline since the collapse of the USSR. Yeltsin was dependent on Western money, organised crime ran riot, and former satellites peeled away to join NATO.

This decline was stopped in 2008 with Russia's support for separatists in South Ossetia, and as Georgia was not a NATO member Putin was able to use the full force of Russia's military against a pro Western democratic country.

Away from Ukraine to more propaganda pouring forth. How does "Russia's support for separatists in South Ossetia, " translate into stopping economic decline?

How can a gentleman who is petrified of actually addressing the issues in any fashion at all qualified for even these propaganda dumps?

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@camlok,

Quote izzy:

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For a lot of Russians the story has been one of decline since the collapse of the USSR. Yeltsin was dependent on Western money, organised crime ran riot, and former satellites peeled away to join NATO.

Quote camlok:

Quote:

Away from Ukraine to more propaganda pouring forth. How does "Russia's support for separatists in South Ossetia, " translate into stopping economic decline?

If you actually read Izzy's post, you would realize that he was referring to Russia's military and political decline, not economic. When you lose both territorial and governmental power over 150 Million people, (Ukraine, Georgia and the others), and you lose political and economic domination over well above 100 Million more, (Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic and the others), your international political power is in decline, obviously.

Your posts are long on accusation, short on comprehension of what others post.

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@Blickers,

Blickers wrote:

If you actually read Izzy's post,

It's alright that he's not reading mine, I've stopped reading his.

Blickers wrote:

Your posts are long on accusation, short or comprehension of what others post.

Yup, one of the reasons I stopped reading them. He's going to have to give a refund to his FSB paymasters. Nobody's listening.

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@izzythepush,

If the tiny blinkered world of Able2Know only knew, eh, Izzy?

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@Blickers,

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If you actually read Izzy's post, you would realize that he was referring to Russia's military and political decline, not economic.

You have to be bonkers to believe that. Russia did something honest that the US has never done. It relinquished, rather willingly, its past. It set free countries to seek their own futures.

Compare them to the US, a country that has just recently illegally invaded and killed millions to keep grabbing other's wealth. Just as it has been doing for well over a century.

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