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Who's a Hawk? Who's a Dove?

 
 
Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2004 02:09 pm
Subject: military service of key Democrats and Republicans


For what it's worth, do you see a pattern here?

Democrats
* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army
journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V,
Purple Hearts.
* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star &Bronze Star, Vietnam.
* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign
ribbons.
* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and
Soldier's Medal.
* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and
Legion of Merit.
* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star
with Combat V.
* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
* Chuck Robb: Vietnam
* Howell Heflin: Silver Star
* George McGovern: Silver Star &DFC during WWII.
* Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but
received #311.
* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul
Wallenberg.

Republicans
* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max
Cleland's patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon! Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got
assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for U.S.
Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared from duty.
* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making
movies.
* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and
Distinguished Flying Cross.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8
years.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.

Pundits &Preachers
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
* John Wayne: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot
back.)
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2004 02:13 pm
Re: Who's a Hawk? Who's a Dove?
Merry Andrew wrote:

For what it's worth, do you see a pattern here?


Yep, a pattern of selection. ;-)
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2004 05:23 pm
Does "serving" make you a better politician?

Only thing I can think of is that having actually been at the pointy end of a war might make you less gung ho about getting into them?
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cannistershot
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2004 05:30 pm
Re: Who's a Hawk? Who's a Dove?
Craven de Kere wrote:
Merry Andrew wrote:

For what it's worth, do you see a pattern here?


Yep, a pattern of selection. ;-)


Laughing Laughing Laughing
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cannistershot
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2004 05:36 pm
Did you cut and paste this from discussanything.com or did you take the time to do the research? Just wondering since the list is exactly the same and is all over the internet..........hummm do I sense some sort of a organized liberal consp..................help
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willow tl
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2004 05:46 pm
well there was a thread posted by a rightwinger that asked why don't Democrats fight...think this list proves that some demorcrats do..lol...don't know how you can think it is a consp....lol but i'll chuckle along with you ...LOL
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cannistershot
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2004 05:49 pm
willow_tl wrote:
well there was a thread posted by a rightwinger that asked why don't Democrats fight...think this list proves that some demorcrats do..lol...don't know how you can think it is a consp....lol but i'll chuckle along with you ...LOL


I have seen this exact same list on 300 other websites. If there was 1 more democrat that served so be it, I only wish that I had the time to make a list of republicans that served.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 24 Oct, 2004 12:38 pm
Quite a few Republicans were left off the list - I actually did look some up (out of curiosity, but learned some interesting things in the process) and posted them on another thread (maybe that one willowt mentioned - can't remember).
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sun 24 Oct, 2004 07:40 pm
In the interests of full disclosure, the list was e-mailed to me by a friend (a retired US Navy officer) who likes to share a joke with me now and again. I agree with Craven -- the list is selective. However, I would venture to guess that if a statistically valid survey of government figures were to be assembled, you'd find that the number of veterans among those in power includes far more Democrats than Republicans.

Bob Dole was a notable exception. Anf he's one of the few Repubs that I genuinely liked and admired. The inclusion of Ronald Reagan, with a smirky comment, seems gratuitous to me. Reagan did wear the uniform during WW II. If an eye condition made him ineligible for front line duty, that's not his fault. I notice that President Dwight D. Eisenhower is not included in the list of GOP biggies either. Nor Colin Powell, for that matter.

I don't know what the inclusion of John Wayne and Bill O"Reilly signifies. They're not in government and their connection to politics is quite tenuous.

But, as the GOP drum-beaters on this site are forever taking a hwkish stance and belittling the mettle of the Democrats, I thought the list was worth posting.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 24 Oct, 2004 07:43 pm
The Republicans in the highest echelons of government are well represented on the list. He he.
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Joe Republican
 
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Reply Sun 24 Oct, 2004 07:52 pm
cannistershot wrote:
willow_tl wrote:
well there was a thread posted by a rightwinger that asked why don't Democrats fight...think this list proves that some demorcrats do..lol...don't know how you can think it is a consp....lol but i'll chuckle along with you ...LOL


I have seen this exact same list on 300 other websites. If there was 1 more democrat that served so be it, I only wish that I had the time to make a list of republicans that served.


Don't b*tch about it, do it. Saying things like "I wish I could get a list of repubs who served" doesn't cut it. Instead of spending your time posting, spend some time researching the facts yourself. Maybe you'll be more informed in the future if you take this approach.
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cannistershot
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2004 06:43 am
Joe Republican wrote:
cannistershot wrote:
willow_tl wrote:
well there was a thread posted by a rightwinger that asked why don't Democrats fight...think this list proves that some demorcrats do..lol...don't know how you can think it is a consp....lol but i'll chuckle along with you ...LOL


I have seen this exact same list on 300 other websites. If there was 1 more democrat that served so be it, I only wish that I had the time to make a list of republicans that served.


Don't b*tch about it, do it. Saying things like "I wish I could get a list of repubs who served" doesn't cut it. Instead of spending your time posting, spend some time researching the facts yourself. Maybe you'll be more informed in the future if you take this approach.



I know you are what an I.
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cannistershot
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2004 06:44 am
Hillary Clinton----Scum bag lawyer
Bill Clinton ------Scum bag lawyer
John Edwards-----Scum bag lawyer
I see another pattern.
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cannistershot
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2004 06:49 am
Joe Republican wrote:
cannistershot wrote:
willow_tl wrote:
well there was a thread posted by a rightwinger that asked why don't Democrats fight...think this list proves that some demorcrats do..lol...don't know how you can think it is a consp....lol but i'll chuckle along with you ...LOL


I have seen this exact same list on 300 other websites. If there was 1 more democrat that served so be it, I only wish that I had the time to make a list of republicans that served.


Don't b*tch about it, do it. Saying things like "I wish I could get a list of repubs who served" doesn't cut it. Instead of spending your time posting, spend some time researching the facts yourself. Maybe you'll be more informed in the future if you take this approach.



More informed about what? Are you saying that a republican has never served in the military? All I am saying is that this "list" is self serving for the demoncrats, it has been posted by mindless minions all over the internet,and is so selective that it's pitiful. If you want to do the research go for it, I have nothing to prove to myself about the republican party.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2004 07:03 am
There is an ancient legend regarding the origin of American politics, albeit from the annals of cryptozoology, not an exact science. It tells that the two party system was born from the mating of two similar, but different creatures, one with the head of a hawk and the ass of a dove, the other with the head of a dove and the ass of a hawk. What brought them together was the realization that at the end of the day, they both pooped guano. Guano was once harvested for fertilizer, even in Utah, but it proved an inefficient business venture in the end.
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cannistershot
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2004 07:13 am
cavfancier wrote:
There is an ancient legend regarding the origin of American politics, albeit from the annals of cryptozoology, not an exact science. It tells that the two party system was born from the mating of two similar, but different creatures, one with the head of a hawk and the ass of a dove, the other with the head of a dove and the ass of a hawk. What brought them together was the realization that at the end of the day, they both pooped guano. Guano was once harvested for fertilizer, even in Utah, but it proved an inefficient business venture in the end.



I have heard this too except that the demoncratic party was born with the head up the ass.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2004 07:24 am
I do prefer 'demoncratic' to 'demmunist', but I am not American, and non-partisan. From what I've seen so far, and read, I don't really think it will make one iota of difference whether Bush or Kerry are elected.
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Armyvet35
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2004 07:58 am
people from all parties and all walks of life serve... each with their own individual reasons for doing so...

Some for good intentions and some for not so good intentions... we should just leave it at that dont you think?

Just curious as to why the list you provided most those people only served 3 years in a guard type status? And that somehow makes them true patriots? Better than the average republicanor third party person?

The military isnt for everyone....
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Armyvet35
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2004 07:59 am
* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V,
Purple Hearts.

V device on a bronze star... would love to see why that was awarded....
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2004 08:05 pm
Armyvet35, as to why the list I provided is the way it is, pls see my disclaimer on the previous page. I didn't make up the list. Just passing it on for what it's worth. I make no claims for its completeness or thoroughness. Again, see my previous post.
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