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Ecology and the Rainforest - Preservation or Destruction?

 
 
HofT
 
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Reply Sat 6 Nov, 2004 06:18 pm
Darling Luna is a dolphin - you knew that, Stradee. His kind is more intelligent than chimps (by ratio of brain to body weight) and closest of all other living creatures to us. Thanks from me also Matrix for the updates, I think of baby dolphin Luna as a relative...

Danon - this is the link I promised
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=36560&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20&sid=58cafa21e2fb093fa8e30d6fe810bb99

If I can't help you after you post the names of the 2 files causing the remaining trouble on your computer (and I'm leaving the country late tonight again, so may not be able to post from overseas) pls ask Don, he'll do whatever is possible.
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Diane
 
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Reply Sat 6 Nov, 2004 08:19 pm
WOW!!! After a few weeks away, here we are with 27 pages on this new thread. What a bunch of great people. Many thanks to Sumac for clicking for me while I and Dys were driving all over the country. I'm too tired to read all the posts tonight, but I'll try to catch up on all the interesting thoughts expressed on this lovely thread. Oh, I clicked.
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danon5
 
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Reply Sat 6 Nov, 2004 08:28 pm
Hi Diane and Dys!!!!!
Glad you are back and am anxious for your trip report...... That's militareze for tell us about all the fun you two had!!!! Welcome back!!!!!

HofT,
Thanks for the link...... I did get to post on one of timbers sites, but, haven't had time to get a response. I know he will try to help. I am now going to Don's site. Thank you and you have a great trip. Make lots of pictures and show us when you return!!!!!
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Stradee
 
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Reply Sat 6 Nov, 2004 09:00 pm
Helen, your words good enough for me.

Godspeed ~
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Matrix500
 
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Reply Sat 6 Nov, 2004 09:31 pm
Hi, everyone...

Welcome back, Diane! Hope you had a great time!

And, HofT...Be safe on your trip - we'll miss you while you're gone.

ehBeth...
My daughter feels like she did really well on the test. (She usually does well on tests so I think her instincts are probaby right.) Thanks for the good wishes!


Glad you guys found the links I left earlier interesting.

Re the oil spill in Puget Sound, these two stories ran in the news yesterday and today with conflicting views on how the search for the guilty party(s) is going:

Oil-spill investigators question tanker crew
Saturday, November 06, 2004
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002083813_oilspill06m.html

Closing In On The Oil-Spill Culprit?
November 5, 2004
http://www.komotv.com/stories/33832.htm
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Matrix500
 
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Reply Sat 6 Nov, 2004 09:46 pm
This is getting pretty cool:

New lava dome grows inside Mount St. Helens
Formation's hot rocks cast red glow visible at night

Saturday, November 6, 2004 Posted: 5:36 PM EST (2236 GMT)

VANCOUVER, Washington (CNN) -- A new lava dome inside Mount St. Helens' crater has sprouted a growth that extends upward nearly 330 feet, U.S. Geological Survey officials said Saturday...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/06/mount.saint.helens/index.html

A better picture of the lava dome is here:
http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_110604WABsthelensEL.2ea0b445.html
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 7 Nov, 2004 09:12 am
You and your 282 friends have supported 1,606,295.6 square feet!
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Stradee
 
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Reply Sun 7 Nov, 2004 09:49 am
Thanks for posting stats flygirl Very Happy

Matrix, wow! Great photos!

Will return after work and post response this afternoon.

Have a good day all ~

clicked
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Piffka
 
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Reply Sun 7 Nov, 2004 12:26 pm
Clicked.

Matrix... Good to see you! Thanks for all the links. Between the orcas, the volcano, the oil spill and the eclipse it is a wonder we get anything done here. Very Happy

Very thoughtful comments re. the tribe & Luna/Tsu-xiit. I hope that this season the tribe helps Luna to find his family. The obvious, though dangerous, path is for tribe members to escort Luna down to Peddlar Bay by canoe. Did you notice only 2700 people have signed the petition for Luna and that the tribe hasn't yet received the money promised for its daily stewardship to keep Luna away from boats?

http://www.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/exhibits/journeys/english/images/water/imgWAT3_2c/15.jpg
Gray Whale rubbing in the gravel on the outside beach at Yuquot.
R. Inglis, Mowachaht-Muchalaht First Nations
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danon5
 
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Reply Sun 7 Nov, 2004 01:38 pm
Piffka,
Thats a real nice photo..... Makes me a little nostalgic for the Sound area. I sure did like it up there - very much. I like your smoke signals....<G>

Matrix,
Great links - thanks for keeping us updated.
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Stradee
 
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Reply Sun 7 Nov, 2004 04:19 pm
A photo taken of Luna surfing near Vancouver Island, BC

http://www.surfingvancouverisland.com/whales/images/40930jc01.jpg
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Stradee
 
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Reply Sun 7 Nov, 2004 04:44 pm
A portion of a Canadian writers opinion regarding moving Luna...

I think this is foolish for eight reasons.

Luna is in a relatively remote area right now. He would be far more of a nuisance in the densely populated waters near Seattle. Where he is in Nootka Sound, the natives have been dealing with orcas for thousands of years. They are happy to have him and are willing to put up with him. No one else really is.
Luna is in relatively clean water now. He would be at risk from the polluted waters of the Puget Sound near the sewers of Seattle.
We have no idea why Luna is alienated from his pod. Those reasons most likely still apply. A tearful family reunion is highly unlikely. That is a Disney fantasy.
Even if Luna does rejoin his pod, there is no guarantee he will lose his attraction to playing with humans and boats.
If a bear were causing a minor nuisance in northern BC, it would be obviously nuts to trap him and take him to Seattle and release him near the Space Needle. This is analogously what we are doing to Luna.
Luna is not lost. If he wanted to visit Seattle, he could get there in a matter of days on his own. He has made it clear he does not want to be moved. He has a brain larger than yours or mine. We have no right to meddle in the life of such an intelligent creature.
If we interfere and drag him off to Seattle, what is to stop him swimming back home again after his expensive junket at taxpayer expense?
As a tourist attraction, Luna is worth about . Why are we spending to get rid of such an asset? Why not make the best of this? Give Luna a bay to himself, and let tourists come from around the planet to view him from a safe distance and let him interact with trained handlers?

The main argument for moving Luna is there was another young whale,
a two year old female, Springer who was successfully reunited. Springer gave up boat chasing after reuniting with her pod. Five year old Luna has been seperated 3 years, Springer only 6 months. It is guess work what will happen to Luna.

<The guy should open his own theme park>
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Stradee
 
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Reply Sun 7 Nov, 2004 04:49 pm
sorry everyone. didn't think the photo would cover the entire landscape and then some.

Piffka, beautiful photo, thanks.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 12:45 am
Luna looks like a happy surfer! To me, the scariest thing about moving Luna was the speculation about what would happen if he were moved and the L-Pod didn't take to him. Two "logical" courses of action were discussed: shooting him or sending him into captivity. Twisted Evil

When I was a teen, Ted Griffin caught two orcas in front of our house -- Lupa and Hugo -- both died in captivity. Hugo lasted 12 years and was known for his aggression -- lunging at trainers and bashing apart an observation window in his aquarium. The capture itself was upsetting. They caught most of the pod, then started letting the bigger ones go. The whales were expected to leave, but instead, they thrashed around near the holding pens and slammed against the sides in their fury. It was helter-skelter in the middle of our little bay. Horrible thing.
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Stradee
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 07:24 am
Piffka, Luna is certainly a good ambassador for his species.

Those that capture orca's for profit have no souls. Horrific practice.
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danon5
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 09:13 am
Morning all,
Great shot Stradee!! I too think the animal should be left alone. They aren't dumb. If he wanted company - he would have company.

Piffka,
That's a sad testimonial re the capturing of the orca's.......

We humans are animals too. We should be subjected to some of the things we put other animals through - - - oh, yeah, that's already happening.. LOL <G>
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Stradee
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 05:48 pm
Danon and all ~

I couldn't believe my eyes when reading a 'climate change' article from reuters!!!! Hurray for the energy companies...

GLOBAL WARMING EXPOSES ARCTIC TO OIL AND GAS DRILLING

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Rising global temperatures will melt areas of the Arctic this century, making them more accessible for oil and natural gas drilling, a report prepared by the United States and seven other nations said on Monday.

It predicts that over the next 100 years, global warming could increase Arctic annual average temperatures 5 to 9 degrees Fahrenheit (3-5 degrees Celsius) over land and by up to 13 degrees (7 Celsius) over water. Warmer temperatures could raise global sea levels by as much as 3 feet.


Such a change would threaten coastal cities, change growing patterns for vegetation and destroy habitats for some wildlife, but an energy-starved world would have new areas for oil and gas exploration, according to the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment report.


The Arctic region, particularly offshore, has huge oil and gas reserves, mostly in Russia, Canada, Alaska, Greenland and Norway.


Warmer temperatures would make it easier to drill and ship oil from the Arctic, the report said. It did not attempt to quantify the costs of drilling and shipping Arctic oil and gas, or estimate how high energy prices would have to be to justify drilling in the region.


"Offshore oil exploration and production are likely to benefit from less extensive and thinner sea ice, although equipment will have to be designed to withstand increased wave forces and ice movement," the report said.


However, land access to energy reserves would likely be restricted due to a shorter season during which the ground is frozen hard enough to support heavy drilling equipment.


"The thawing of permafrost, on which buildings, pipelines, airfields and coastal installations supporting oil and gas development are located, is very likely to adversely affect these structures and increase the cost of maintaining them," the report said.


Energy companies would find it easier to transport oil and gas because the warmer temperatures would open sea routes.


"By the end of this century, the length of the navigation season...along the Northern Sea route is projected to increase to about 120 days from the current 20-30 days," the report said.


However, a longer shipping season will increase the risk of oil spills, the report warned.


The report was commissioned by the United States, Canada, Russia, Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, Norway and Finland. It concluded that global warming is heating the Arctic almost twice as quickly as the rest of the planet in a thaw that threatens millions of livelihoods.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20041102/artic_thaw_map.gif
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 07:09 pm
aktbird57 - You and your 282 friends have supported 1,608,964.7 square feet!
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danon5
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 10:31 pm
Stradee,
Yes, I saw a report this morning about the same thing. I'm well inland here in NE Texas and am looking forward to my future waterfront property. Now, THAT'S wishful thinking!!!! LOL <G>

I know, I know, it's not funny..........

I have never thought our dreams and wants as human beings have changed during the past six-thousand years - since the first nomadic hunter tribes began staying in the same place - that wasn't the beginning of material possessions - but, it fostered a new method of keeping it - that was writing. The first cuneiform tablets - from the ancient area now Iraq - were all of material possessions and requests for payment of unfullfilled debts.
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danon5
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2004 08:39 am
Morning,

All clicked.
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