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China Seizes U.S. Underwater Drone From International Waters

 
 
Reply Fri 16 Dec, 2016 01:28 pm
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/16/505850933/china-seizes-unmanned-u-s-underwater-vehicle-in-international-waters

So the war begins before Trump's inauguration?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 16 Dec, 2016 02:47 pm
@edgarblythe,
I believe it was fishing without a license
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roger
 
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Reply Fri 16 Dec, 2016 04:14 pm
@edgarblythe,
We better draw another red line in the sand - or ocean.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 16 Dec, 2016 04:18 pm
@edgarblythe,
China takes another US drone and now Obama wants to start a cyber war with Russia, what awesome times we live in...
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 16 Dec, 2016 06:27 pm
@Baldimo,
so whose side you on?
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ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Fri 16 Dec, 2016 06:33 pm
Geeses, a wet drone!
nimh
 
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Reply Fri 16 Dec, 2016 07:20 pm
@edgarblythe,
i guess drones don't drown..
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Blickers
 
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Reply Fri 16 Dec, 2016 07:54 pm
We'll sue them for shoplifting.
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Blickers
 
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Reply Fri 16 Dec, 2016 07:55 pm
@ossobucotemp,
Quote osso:
Quote:
Geeses, a wet drone!


The worst part is when they get inside and they shake themselves off.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 16 Dec, 2016 08:12 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

China takes another US drone and now Obama wants to start a cyber war with Russia, what awesome times we live in...


Do you really not understand why this is happening now (instead of any other time in the past 8 years of Obama presidency)?

China was provoked by Trump's phone call with the Taiwan head of state and his comments casting doubt on our long standing One China Policy. China has said as much. This kerfuffle with China can objectively be placed on the incoming Trump administration. Beijing is drawing a line in the sand that is clearly directed at the incoming administration.
Frugal1
 
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Reply Fri 16 Dec, 2016 10:47 pm
@maxdancona,
No, no, no. 0bama has been weak with China and every other nation from day one. Foreign leaders laugh at the guy... he has to pay countries to like him, and they thumb their noses at him as soon as he turns his back. 0bama really is the worst president this country has ever had, and Trump has already proven himself more presidential than 0bama ever has, or will.
Frugal1
 
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Reply Fri 16 Dec, 2016 10:50 pm
It wasn't a seizure, it was theft by taking.
It was theft without fear because they know 0bama won't lift a finger.
0bama is no world leader, he's a puss.
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TomTomBinks
 
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Reply Fri 16 Dec, 2016 10:50 pm
@Frugal1,
Obama's as good as gone. China knows that and it'll be the new administration that has to deal with this. It may be a test.
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Blickers
 
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Reply Fri 16 Dec, 2016 11:34 pm
@Frugal1,
Quote Frugal:
Quote:
0bama has been weak with China and every other nation from day one. Foreign leaders laugh at the guy... he has to pay countries to like him,

Russia is terrified of Obama and Hillary. When Russia moved troops into the Crimea, (part of Ukraine, which is not a NATO country but a breakaway nation from Russia), Russia tried to bluff it through but Obama got together with the EU and slappeeconomic sanctions on Russia that slowed the Russian economy considerably. Then Obama got together with Saudi Arabia and got the Saudis to continue oil production, which combined with American oil production drove the price of oil way down.

Russia's major product is oil. Between Obama's work with the Saudis and his agreement with the EU, the Russian economy took a giant fall downward, and Ruissia remains in a Depression to this day. This is a chart of the Russian ruble vs the US Dollar-the ruble caved under the pressure Obama brought against Russia, which Putin completely miscalculated.

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah279/LeviStubbs/Ruble%20v%20Dollar%20May%202016_zpsigbbfj4c.jpg

This is why Putin hatched the plot to hack DNC servers to put his compliant candidate, Trump, into office so he will let Russia take over Ukraine. Also, Trump will get down on bended knee and disperse with NATO, so Russia will get its Eastern European Empire back. Trump is the Manchurian candidate, and Putin is his puppetmaster.
TomTomBinks
 
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Reply Fri 16 Dec, 2016 11:44 pm
@Blickers,
Quote:
Also, Trump will get down on bended knee and disperse with NATO, so Russia will get its Eastern European Empire back. Trump is the Manchurian candidate, and Putin is his puppetmaster.


I really hope your wrong, but I fear you may be right.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2016 12:42 am
@TomTomBinks,
You don't see stories about it that much, but Ronald Reagan went to the USSR to negotiate on nuclear weapons. He said to the press that he had negotiated an end to nuclear weapons. Immediately the people around him announced that the agreement was not made at all. Trump can't do just anything he wants and remain in office.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2016 03:57 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
China's Foreign Ministry said on Saturday that China and the United States were using military channels to "appropriately handle" the seizure by the Chinese navy of a U.S. underwater drone in the South China Sea.

"It is understood that China and the United States are using military channels to appropriately handle this issue," the ministry said in a brief statement sent to Reuters. It did not elaborate.
Source

(U.S. Navy Secretary Ray Maybus cited a "growing China" as one of the reasons that the Navy needed to expand its fleet to 355 ships, including 12 carriers, 104 large surface combatants, 38 amphibious ships and 66 submarines. More here)
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Frugal1
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2016 07:00 am
America is terrified of 0bama & Clinton, the rest of the world - not so much.
Blickers
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2016 10:38 am
@Frugal1,
Only the totalitarians in Moscow have to fear Obama and Clinton, the rest of the world does not. In fact, our NATO partners wish Hillary could have won so she could continue the strong NATO alliance which has kept Western Europe free since 1949-actually 1945, since NATO grew out of the Western Allies of WWII-and has kept Eastern Europe free since the mid nineties. Basically, under Obama the US is at the top of the list of most popular countries in the world. Russia, on the other hand, has no allies-and that includes China. China is not your military ally either, Ivan.

By the way, here's a chart of Russia's GDP since she decided to go expansionist and annex the Crimea from the Ukraine. The EU and Obama put the hurt on the Russian economy, and it hasn't come close to recovering yet. That's why Putin worked so hard to get his puppet, Trump, in the White House.

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah279/LeviStubbs/russia-gdp_zps8yr35zrs.png

weak US leadership-HAH!





Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2016 11:05 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
Baldimo wrote:

China takes another US drone and now Obama wants to start a cyber war with Russia, what awesome times we live in...


Do you really not understand why this is happening now (instead of any other time in the past 8 years of Obama presidency)?

China was provoked by Trump's phone call with the Taiwan head of state and his comments casting doubt on our long standing One China Policy. China has said as much. This kerfuffle with China can objectively be placed on the incoming Trump administration. Beijing is drawing a line in the sand that is clearly directed at the incoming administration.


The responsibility can actually be placed on China. They took something that doesn't belong to them because that's the type of people they, the Chinese government, are. These are the people who arrest and beat their citizens for expressing disagreement. They are the people who create an artificial island in international waters and then claim that it is their territory and that anyone approaching is violating their sovereignty. They do bad things because it's their nature. Your statement is like saying that the Nazis committed some atrocity because Roosevelt provoked them. Of course he provoked them and properly so.
 

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