Reply Sun 10 Oct, 2004 08:40 pm
As all who read now know, Saddam Hussein was using billions of dollars of oil-4-food money, intended to feed hungry children, to bribe UN officials, French, German, and Russian government officials, and major Kerry financial backers to turn blind eyes towards his illicit programs.

I've mentioned previously that nobody needs hundreds of tons of anthrax powder to create havoc; as we noted immediately after 9-11, a few teaspoons full will suffice. Turns out, that the Duelfer report mentions a number of other and similar items involved in the Iraqi programs which Hussein was bribing people to ignore, which nobody needs large quantities of:

http://www.radioblogger.com/

What seems to be the case, is that in this sort of game, wherewithal and intentions count for more than being able to find warehouses full of illicit materials.



Saturday, October 9

OK, lefties, remember the mantra...Wrong War, Wrong Place, Wrong Time...

If any of you out there still honestly believe that the war in Iraq was a distraction, rushed into, or just plain old unnecessary, read this. I dare you. You can replay John Kerry's voice in your head telling you that the Duelfer report said there were no weapons of mass distruction. Just read. Here's some of the highlights:

Saddam Hussein established a special assassinations unit that made use of poisons and other James Bond-style weaponry to kill his enemies abroad, according to the report published by the Iraq Survey Group last week.

Before the poisons were used in the field they were tested on political prisoners, many of whom died in a macabre series of experiments that ran for two decades until at least 2001.

Experiments? On people? You mean like the Nazis used to do? It can't be true. Saddam was contained. John Kerry and France said so. The United Nations said so.

Read on.

The research, says the US report, was part of a programme by the regime to target its enemies with a variety of devices from pen-shaped "auto-injecting" syringes to perfume sprayers and medicine bottles filled with sarin and mustard gas.

The report says the programme was overseen by Iraq's M16 chemical directorate, which operated covert laboratories producing, researching and testing ricin and other toxic substances from as early as 1975.

Keep in mind that John Kerry kept citing this very same Duelfer report you are reading about last night in the debate to prove his point that there were no weapons of mass distruction, and that Bush had no business going into Iraq. There was no terrorism front there in Iraq until now.

Now I have to be honest. I do not understand where you are coming from if you think that testing ricin, sarin and mustard gas on people to assess the effects do not necessarily show an intent to develop a chemical weapons program, which is one of the three possible definitions of a weapon of mass destruction.

Read on.

A leading role was played by Muhammad Munim al-Azmerli, a prominent scientist said to have personally filled a pen-shaped syringe with snake venom for use on a foreign mission.

Al-Azmerli, arrested after the American invasion as one of the "200 list" of suspects, died in US custody in May after what an autopsy described as a "sudden hit to the back of his head". Before he died he is said to have confessed to testing poisons on human guinea pigs.

Not the kind of friendly fellow who would qualify for the Nobel Prize, is he?

Simmer down, lefties, I know what you are thinking. Big deal. Pen-shaped syringe. Not a WMD. It can only kill one person at a time. Assassination stuff only.

So tell me which Olympic athlete in Greece a few months ago would not have wanted George Bush to act as they are lying on the ground dying, convulsing with foam coming out of their mouth? If they built one pen-shaped syringe, who's to say they couldn't have built fifty for a team of assassins? This is Tom Clancy stuff for real.

Read on.

The report claims al-Azmerli confessed to administering various chemicals to "human test subjects" from 1975 until 1980 under orders from Saddam's half-brother, Barzan al-Tikriti, the IIS director. Among the aims was development of a poison for use in assassinations that killed its victim only after five hours.

A senior member of Saddam's government claimed al-Azmerli used poisons on 100 prisoners, including Kurds, Iranians and a Saudi Arabian. The scientist also "tested explosives" on them, as well as administering drugs that affected memory and sexual function on 15 prisoners between 1980 and 1989. Any that survived were executed.

Al-Azmerli admitted testing cyanide, strychnine and other poisons, but insisted the number of subjects was small. Numan Muhammad al-Tikriti, who became head of M16 in 1996, admitted witnessing the experiments, but denied having been involved.

You're right, Josh Marshall. Bush didn't use the information in this report as his reason for going to war, so you must laugh this off as a desperate attempt by the administration to try now to come up for reasons to go to war then.

If that's the argument, then it seems logical to assume one of the following about the decision George Bush had to make early last year:

It's better to not act until you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that a bad guy in a bad country has done something wrong to you. So we should have waited until the weapons inspectors, in a time when Saddam still ruled the country, found all this information out before we considered making a move. And then, and only then, with the blessing of the Security Council, who was being paid more bribe money than Tony Soprano could ever dream about.

Or,

You analyze information and red flags in a whole new way, since you are now in an environment where you've already been attacked, and play your hunch, knowing that if you are wrong, your political career is over.

You know that the UN isn't going to cooperate, but you give it one more chance anyway. You know in your gut that Saddam is jerking around the weapons inspectors, but obviously can't prove it.

You are currently looking at the decision to pre-emptively attack a country in a political environment where the opposition is trying to hang responsibility for letting 9/11 happen around your neck.

So you decide to go in, knowing in your heart that eventually you will be proven correct in what you were suspicious of in Iraq.

Bush made the right choice. He was right then, he is right now.

Read on.

The most recent experiments cited in the report took place in July 2001. Nine people are reported to have been brought to a safe house in the Karada district of Baghdad, near the Tigris river, where they were tied down to beds and had small tubes placed in their arms.

The next day all showed signs of bleeding from the mouth. A female doctor gave each of them an injection and the following day six were dead. The doctor then reportedly performed an autopsy on at least one of the victims, suggesting she was trying to determine the effects of the substances.

Bush still can't use this because he didn't call his shot ahead of time, right Josh?

Did Roosevelt call his shot ahead of time about all the fun stuff Hitler was up to? All of it?

Read on.

M16 was said to have changed location five times between 1991 and 2003, apparently to avoid United Nations inspectors. As well as experimenting on prisoners, its agents tested chemicals on rabbits, pigs and other animals.
Political prisoners were said to have been forced during the 1980s and early 1990s to drink "milky liquids", that killed them within three to four weeks.


Although al-Tikriti gave an agent a perfume-bottling machine, plans to use sarin and sulphur mustard for assassinations foundered when chemicals to produce the agents were unavailable, a former Iraqi intelligence officer claimed.

Similarly, an agent took one of the pen-shaped "auto-injecting syringes" to Britain in 1987 and then elsewhere in Europe the following year but apparently did not use the device.

The last sliver of road the left can go down after reading this report is that even if Saddam bribed the world...even if he did build up some of his chemical weapons programs, you still can't prove he intended to use this stuff on us.

With three weeks until the election, daily revelations from the 1,000 page Duelfer report about Saddam's intent and capabilities to come, and one more debate to go, if that's the position John Kerry wants to defend, he might as well not even bother watching the results come in November 2nd.

I still have to believe that in this day and age, it's going to be real tough to sell to fellow Americans a position of opposition to taking out a Hitler-in-the-making before he had a chance to prove to the world with his actions he was a Hitler.

Wrong war, wrong time, wrong place. These syringes were in Britian and Europe, and no one knew about it.

The chem experiments department moved five times to stay ahead of the inspectors.

If you are so irresponsible to not read the wealth of information about the true capabilities of Saddam Hussein and yet still vote reflexively Democrat for whatever reason, you shouldn't vote. You obviously have the right to, but you shouldn't.

If you have failing vision, but still have a license, you have a moral obligation not to get behind that wheel. You'll get someone killed.

Voting Democratic for pure partisan reasons will have the same effect. You'll get someone killed.

If you drink, impairing your mental capacities, you shouldn't drive. If you blur your mental capacities by brainwashing yourself on ABC, Dan Rather, and mainstream media, you aren't real fit to enter the voting booth.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Sun 10 Oct, 2004 08:55 pm
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The report says the programme was overseen by Iraq's M16 chemical directorate, which operated covert laboratories producing, researching and testing ricin and other toxic substances from as early as 1975... on 15 prisoners between 1980 and 1989. Any that survived were executed



There is NO 'M16 Chemical Directorate'. M16 is one of the BRITISH military security organisations.

In 1975 Saddam Hussein was in the military. He did not take over the country till 1979.

In the 80's Iraq was a friend and ally of the USA, receiving the largesse and support (illegally if necessary) of the President of the USA, Ronald Reagan. His front-man in the M-E was George Herbert Bush who continued these activities when HE became President.
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Magus
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 01:04 am
Gee, no mention of the bribes paid by Halliburton or any of the major Multi-national Petroleum Corporations?
No mention of the gummint investigations into "questionable business practices" employed by Halliburton while Dick Cheney was OFFICIALLY at the helm?

One might almost suspect you of bias... or of being another cog in the "vast right-wing conspiracy" that has mobilized to smear and slander their Democratic rival!

Are those blinders COMFORTABLE?

I hope so, because they certainly aren't flattering to your appearance...
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 08:08 am
I'll say it again, Haliburton fills roles which the US military used to perform for itself before being dismantled under the Clinton administration. Want somebody to blame for whatever evil you imagine Haliburton to be up to in connection to military contracting? Look no further than one William J. (Slick) Clinton.

That's aside from the fact that several dozen Haliburton employees have gotten killed in Iraq, sharing the risks with our soldiers.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 08:39 am
Dare us indeed!

I guess that means the US will be getting rid of its biological weapons, and not developing more - and developing them to pick particular individuals, as a means of assassination, as the neocons bible plans.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 09:40 am
dlowan wrote:
Dare us indeed!

I guess that means the US will be getting rid of its biological weapons, and not developing more - and developing them to pick particular individuals, as a means of assassination, as the neocons bible plans.


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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 10:12 am
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That's aside from the fact that several dozen Haliburton employees have gotten killed in Iraq, sharing the risks with our soldiers.


.... at 4 times the pay rate of the average soldier. Did you know that many Haliburton and sub-contractor guards are paid over 15k a month? Doing the same jobs that our U.S. soldiers get paid 4k a month, or less?

It's the fleecing of America.

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 10:57 am
Capitalism offends you Cycloptichorn?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 11:02 am
Yes. Capitalism taken to an extreme is as bad as any other economic system taken to an extreme.

Giving a contract to Haliburton should not allow them to fleece an unlimited amount of money from American taxpayers. That's not capitalism; that's government-sponsored redistribution of wealth, from the POOR to the RICH.

Sickening, really.

Cycloptichorn
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coachryan
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 11:05 am
McGentrix wrote:
Capitalism offends you Cycloptichorn?



I love capitolism. Pawning off the Defense of my country to Mercenaries however, makes me very nervous.

I know most Neo-cons don't like to hear this but there are things that simple "market economics" shouldn't be left to handle, and defense is one of them.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 11:08 am
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Iraqi insurgents seek chemical weapons
Likelihood of success grew with U.S. occupation, report says


Washington -- Insurgent networks across Iraq are increasingly trying to acquire and use toxic nerve gases, blister agents and germ weapons against U.S. and coalition forces, according to a CIA report, and investigators said one group recruited scientists and sought to prepare poisons over seven months before it was dismantled in June.

U.S. officials say the threat is especially worrisome because leaders of the previously unknown group, which investigators called the "Al Abud network, " were based in Fallujah in proximity to insurgents aligned with fugitive militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. The CIA says Zarqawi, who is blamed for numerous attacks on U.S. forces and beheadings of hostages, has long sought to use chemical and biological weapons against targets in Europe as well as Iraq.

An exhaustive report released last week by Charles Duelfer, the CIA's chief weapons investigator in Iraq, concluded that Saddam Hussein destroyed his stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons in the early 1990s and never tried to rebuild them. But a little-noticed section of the 960-page report warns that the danger of a "devastating" attack with unconventional weapons has grown since the U.S.-led invasion and occupation of Iraq last year.

The Bush administration, which went to war primarily to disarm the Baghdad regime of suspected illicit stockpiles, has not previously disclosed that the insurgent groups that have emerged and steadily expanded since Hussein's ouster now are seeking to develop their own crude supplies of such deadly agents as mustard gas, ricin and the nerve gas tabun.

Neither of the two chemists who worked for Al Abud had any ties to Hussein's long-defunct weapons programs, and Duelfer's investigators found no evidence that the group's poison project was part of a "prescribed plan by the former regime to fuel an insurgency."

For now, the leaders and financiers of the network "remain at large, and alleged chemical munitions remain unaccounted," the report said. It added that other insurgent groups are "planning or attempting to produce or acquire" chemical and biological agents throughout Iraq, and warns that the availability of chemicals and munitions, as well as sympathetic former Iraqi weapons scientists, "increases the future threat."

The new discoveries are separate from several attacks this year involving chemical munitions, the report said. In May and June, insurgents used old chemical-filled artillery shells, left over from Iraq's pre-1991 stocks, in three roadside bombs. Partly due to the age of the weapons, no chemical injuries were reported. In all, U.S. forces have recovered 53 decaying chemical-filled shells or artillery rockets that apparently were looted from unguarded ammo bunkers or other sites.

Investigators from Duelfer's Iraq Survey Group learned of the Al Abud threat by chance in March when a U.S. Army patrol raided a laboratory in a Baghdad market known for chemical supply shops. They discovered an Iraqi chemist who had successfully produced small quantities of ricin, a potentially deadly toxin made from castor beans.

After the chemist was interrogated, Duelfer quickly created a special team of covert agents, analysts and weapons experts to track down the scientist's contacts and arrest other members of the Al Abud network, named for the lab where the chemist was found.

By June, Duelfer's team was able to identify and "neutralize" the group's chemists and chemical suppliers, and other members of the network. A series of raids, interrogations and detentions "disrupted key activities at Al Abud- related laboratories, safehouses, supply stores" and organizational centers, according to Duelfer's report.

"I think this is a case where we got ahead of a problem a bit," said a senior U.S. intelligence official familiar with the evidence.

Duelfer first revealed the network's existence in his testimony last week to the Senate Armed Services Committee, but he provided few details.

The Al Abud effort apparently began in December 2003, according to Duelfer's report, when Fallujah-based insurgents belonging mostly to the Jaysh Muhammad insurgent group recruited "an inexperienced Baghdad chemist" to help them produce tabun, mustard gas and other chemical agents. A wealthy Baghdad businessman who previously had business ties to Hussein's military and intelligence service agreed to provide financial backing.

Jaysh Muhammad, also known as the Army of Muhammad, is largely made up of former members of Hussein's Baathist party, including former officers in the intelligence, security and police forces, the report said. The group has claimed responsibility for several brutal attacks, including the bombing of the United Nations compound in Baghdad on Aug. 19, 2003.

In interrogations, captured members of Jaysh Muhammad told Duelfer's team they planned to use chemical-filled mortar rounds and other munitions against U.S. and other coalition forces.

The chemist discovered in the Al Abad market, who was not identified, soon helped the insurgent group acquire the pesticide malathion, which has a similar chemical structure to tabun, as well as nitrogen mustard precursors --

or ingredients -- from looted government supplies and chemical shops.

Despite numerous attempts, the scientist failed to produce tabun. But he managed to brew a poisonous compound, the report said. The insurgents filled nine mortar rounds with the mixture, but Duelfer's team determined the rounds were useless because detonation of the mortar would destroy the poison.

The group's focus shifted in late January and early February to producing mustard gas, according to the report. Although the inexperienced chemist had the necessary materials, he used "incorrect amounts of the precursors and inadequate processes" and failed again in mid-March.

Frustrated at the lack of progress, the Al Abud group soon found and hired another young chemist in Baghdad who owned his own small laboratory. Unlike the first scientist, this recruit was "a profit-seeking mercenary" and not an insurgent, according to the report.

The Al Abud group returned to the Baghdad market and obtained raw materials to produce a more potent mustard gas. Although the effort again failed, the Duelfer report notes "with time and experience it is plausible" that the second chemist could have produced a workable weapon.

Success finally came in late March when the two chemists working together produced ricin cake, a substance that can be converted to ricin poison. Investigators later determined that their lab could produce only enough ricin to cause isolated casualties and "was not capable of facilitating a mass- casualty ricin attack."

They also found that the two scientists had prepared napalm, a highly flammable jellied gasoline used by U.S. troops in Vietnam, and sodium fluoride acetate, a poison. But Duelfer's group said the nascent effort was "highly unlikely" to be capable of causing mass casualties.



Whoops. THAT wasn't supposed to happen!

Haven't some of us been saying this would happen for months?

from http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/10/10/MNG8H96T2N1.DTL

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 11:08 am
??

I am sure that each of those truck drivers, laundry workers, food service workers, electricians, plumbers, etc. being paid by Haliburton and it's susidaries are not what would be considered as "rich"
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 11:16 am
Anyone who doesn't realize by now that this entire exercise by the moron George Bush and his incredibly incompetent adminsitration...


...will go down in history as one of the most colossal blunders ever made by this country...

...and that the repercussions of the blunder will plague our country and the world for years...

...is too goddam stupid to understand any kind of reasonable, courteous response.


DOWN WITH GEORGE BUSH!
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 11:24 am
Quote:
??

I am sure that each of those truck drivers, laundry workers, food service workers, electricians, plumbers, etc. being paid by Haliburton and it's susidaries are not what would be considered as "rich"


You are absolutely correct.

But, while they are getting paid 4 times as much as American soldiers to do the same thing, even THEY aren't the ones making the huge profits from the occupation. That would be those leaders of Halliburton that own millions of shares of their stock.

I read an article the other day (I'll look for it) that stated that less than a quarter of U.S. money being spent is going to actual reconstruction. Well over 50% is going to admin and burecratic costs. Guess Halliburton is making a little scratch from that end as well.

It's the fleecing of you, and me, and every other American to put money in the pockets of a few. The fact that even the lowest guys on the totem pole in Iraq for private contractors make so much more than our soldiers is pathetic, and shows just how committed our current admin is to the troops.

Cycloptichorn
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