If only his name was Pete Williams instead of Abdul Artan, eh?

@layman,

Kahn is probably an expert on sharia law, but, for some damn reason, he doesn't seem to know all that much about the US Constitution.

http://able2know.org/topic/355629-3#post-6313178

Go figure, eh?

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@layman,

layman wrote:

Can you name even one country in the world where the muslims are in power that respects women's rights, gay rights, civil rights, or any of the other ideals you libs claim to "stand for?" They HATE, and want to destroy, "western culture" and replace it with muslim "culture"--theocracy with sharia law, etc.

Anybody?.....Bueler?

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@layman,

I wouldn't know without a lot of study, it would take an objective view, but on the whole, I do not believe I would like to live in an Islamic State under strict Muslim Law but then neither would I like to live in a Christian State under laws of the Bible (stoning anyone?). I strongly believe in the separation of Church and State regardless of how the framers might or might not have intended it.

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Sharia has no place in America.

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@Frugal1,

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Sharia has no place in America.

Do you think that laws should take into consideration what the king James bible teaches?

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@reasoning logic,

I believe our laws, our culture, and our country are not compatible with Sharia law, Sharia has no place in America.

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@Frugal1,

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I believe our laws, our culture, and our country are not compatible with Sharia law,

Do you think our laws are compatible with Abrahamic or Mosaic laws?

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@reasoning logic,

You are trying much too hard to make a rather fatuous point. The laws of most countries in the world enforce most of what is in the Biblical ten commandments and the basic substance of them is found in most religions. No country (except a few aberrant socialist tyrannies ) has foun them worthy of rejection.

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@layman,

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layman wrote:

Can you name even one country in the world where the muslims are in power that respects women's rights, gay rights, civil rights, or any of the other ideals you libs claim to "stand for?" They HATE, and want to destroy, "western culture" and replace it with muslim "culture"--theocracy with sharia law, etc.

Anybody?.....Bueler?

No. Not one. What we want in America is the watered-down Muslim. One who practices Islam but not too seriously. I think America's diverse and vibrant culture can water down even the most devout religious fanatic.

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@TomTomBinks,

TomTomBinks wrote:

No. Not one. What we want in America is the watered-down Muslim. One who practices Islam but not too seriously. I think America's diverse and vibrant culture can water down even the most devout religious fanatic.

Yeah, that's what we want (among other things), I agree. But is that what we will get by taking them in without proper vettting?

I see this claim as being hopelessly naive, sorry: "I think America's diverse and vibrant culture can water down even the most devout religious fanatic."

Entering upon US soil is not going to immediately and magically reverse a lifetime of indoctrination.

The idiots who flew jets into the twin towers while shouting "Allah Akbar," spent considerable time in the US, if you actually want an example.

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@georgeob1,

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The laws of most countries in the world enforce most of what is in the Biblical ten commandments

Something that I find interesting is that there is only one place in our bible that says the words "The Ten Commandments the covenant of God" funny thing is these ten commandments are different from the ones we have been taught.

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No Sharia

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@georgeob1,

You know I can go through the Bible and bring quotes of harsh commands and punishments we would consider rather barbaric. The bible is more than ten commandments which were only given to Israel. Some Israel's commands concerning land conquering we would consider barbaric in this day and age. My point being that I am glad in the US we do not base on our laws on the ten commandments or the Bible or any other religious creed or belief and do not hold one religion higher than the other and I hope that never changes because if it does it will risk our freedoms of religion in this country.

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@revelette1,

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My point being that I am glad in the US we do not base on our laws on the ten commandments or the Bible or any other religious creed or belief and do not hold one religion higher than the other and I hope that never changes because if it does it will risk our freedoms of religion in this country.

Your comment strengthens my point - there is no place for Sharia in the US.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4000404/Ohio-man-sentenced-plot-attack-US-Capitol.html

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@layman,

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Entering upon US soil is not going to immediately and magically reverse a lifetime of indoctrination.

It will take a couple of generations. (per family)

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@TomTomBinks,

TomTomBinks wrote:

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Entering upon US soil is not going to immediately and magically reverse a lifetime of indoctrination.

It will take a couple of generations. (per family)

Well, OK. Then you can see that your response doesn't really address this question, can't you?:

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Yeah, that's what we want (among other things), I agree. But is that what we will get by taking them in without proper vettting?

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@TomTomBinks,

Moreover Islamophobia is not helpful at all in trying lessen Muslim militants/terrorist.

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@revelette1,

The suffix "phobia" usually refers to an irrational fear. Given the turmoil, terrorism, mass executions and efforts to exterrminate perceived enemies of the faith now going on within and around the Islamic world there appears to be nothig at all irrational about the concerns. Indeed in this case you efforts to deny it are irrational.

The Jews who fled Germany and Poland in 1936-38 were not acting out of irrational fear. Our belated active preparations for war that started in about 1937 were not irrational. There are real dangers in the world.

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

Moreover Islamophobia is not helpful at all in trying lessen Muslim militants/terrorist.

Rev, if I stated a fact such as "A black man murdered 3 people last night," would you feel compelled to declare that "Not all black men are killers!"?

You probably would, I dunno.

How about if I said this: "A white man murdered 3 people last night."

Why do you feel compelled to shout "Not all muslims are terrorists!" when no one has claimed they are? Why is that necessary and what does it add when trying to address a problem?

Do you even consider that shouting that "Not all black men are killers" suggests that maybe you used to think the opposite, and feel some need to "correct" others who have not experienced your "enlightenment?" That it comes across as the kind of stereotyping that racists do?

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If only his name was Pete Williams instead of Abdul Artan, eh?

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