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Bush, Cheney Concede Iraq Had No WMDs

 
 
Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 12:32 pm
If Iraq is so bad, why does the Bush Administration have to repeatedly Lie to start a war?

1. Powell relies on FORGED documents to link Saddam to terror.

MSNBC: "They have been the closest of allies. But under the intense pressure of a diplomatic crisis at the United Nations and an imminent war in Iraq, the friendship between the United States and Britain is beginning to fray. The most recent strain emerged when U.N. nuclear inspectors concluded last week that U.S. and British claims about Iraq's secret nuclear program were based on forged documents. The fake letters supposedly laid out how Iraqi agents had tried to purchase uranium from officials in Niger, central Africa."

MORE: http://www.msnbc.com/news/883164.asp?cp1=1

CNN: WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Intelligence documents that U.S. and British governments said were strong evidence that Iraq was developing nuclear weapons have been dismissed as forgeries by U.N. weapons inspectors.

MORE: http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/14/sprj.irq.documents/index.html

Sydney Morning Herald, Australia: The head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei, has demonstrated that UK and US intelligence authorities relied on forged documents to support assertions that Iraq was trying to buy uranium in Africa.

MORE: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/15/1047583740556.html

LA Times: WASHINGTON -- Phony weapons documents cited by the United States and Britain as evidence against Saddam Hussein were initially obtained by Italian intelligence authorities, who may have been duped into paying for the forgeries, U.S. officials said Friday. The documents, which purport to show Iraqi efforts to acquire uranium from Niger, were exposed as fraudulent by U.N. weapons inspectors last week. The matter has embarrassed U.S. and British officials.

MORE: http://www.latimes.com/la-fg-docs15mar15,0,5016930.story

And even more:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=africa+uranium+forged+documents

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2. Bush/Powell's UN "evidence" relies on even MORE supposedly "up to date" FORGED documents to link Saddam to terror.

CNN: Large chunks of the 19-page report -- highlighted by U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell at the U.N. as a " fine paper ... which describes in exquisite detail Iraqi deception activities" -- contains large chunks lifted from other sources, according to several academics. " The British government's dossier is 19 pages long and most of pages 6 to 16 are copied directly from that document word for word, even the grammatical errors and typographical mistakes," Rangwala said. Al-Marashi's article, published last September, was based on information obtained at the time of the 1991 Gulf War, Rangwala said. " The information he was using is 12 years old and he acknowledges this in his article. The British government, when it transplants that information into its own dossier, does not make that acknowledgement. " So it is presented as current information about Iraq, when really the information it is using is 12 years old."

MORE: http://asia.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/02/07/sprj.irq.uk.dossier/

UK Guardian: Downing Street was last night plunged into acute international embarrassment after it emerged that large parts of the British government's latest dossier on Iraq - allegedly based on "intelligence material" - were taken from published academic articles, some of them several years old. Amid charges of "scandalous" plagiarism on the night when Tony Blair attempted to rally support for the US-led campaign against Saddam Hussein, Whitehall's dismay was compounded by the knowledge that the disputed document was singled out for praise by the US secretary of state, Colin Powell, in his speech to the UN security council on Wednesday.

MORE: http://politics.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,9115,892069,00.html

http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/worldwide/story/0,9959,890962,00.html

http://iafrica.com/news/worldnews/207939.htm

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3. Bush/Powell tries to use edited audio-tape to LIE about Saddam/Bin Laden Connection.

NY Times: It offered little evidence of an alliance between Mr. Hussein and Mr. bin Laden, but it did seem to validate Arab leaders' warnings that Islamic extremists would exploit any assault on Baghdad to further inflame the region.

MORE: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/12/international/middleeast/12TAPE.html

NY Times: Germany dismissed Wednesday U.S. claims that a new audiotape purportedly by Osama bin Laden proved he was in league with Iraq, while some Muslims were cheered by the possibility the accused mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks was still alive.

More: Article Link

Philadelphia Daily News: But if bin Laden was trying to show personal solidarity with Saddam himself, he had a strange way of doing so. He denounced Saddam's secular, socialist al-Baath party as "infidels." What's more, the statement said that Iraq's rulers had "lost their credibility long ago" and that "socialists are infidels wherever they are." He didn't even mention Saddam by name.

MORE: http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/5157847.htm

Salon.com: War, lies and audiotape If truth is the first casualty of war, then this war's second casualty is the credibility of Colin Powell. Yesterday morning he insisted that the new tape from Osama bin Laden would show a "partnership" between al-Qaida and Iraq. He told the nation that he had a transcript of bin Laden's remarks. Understandably, however, the secretary of state didn't read from the transcript he claimed to have in his possession -- because it so clearly contradicted the headlines he was trying to create.

MORE: http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2003/02/12/osama/index_np.html

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4. Bush/Powell LIES again about Saddam's ability to deliver weapons of mass destruction.

News Interactive: An Iraqi drone found by UN weapons inspectors is of "very primitive" design and is definitely not capable of flying 500km as suggested by US Secretary of State Colin Powell, Jane's Defence Weekly said today.

On February 5, Powell told the UN Security Council that the Iraqis possessed a drone that could fly 500km, violating UN rules that limit the range of Iraqi weapons to 150km. " There is no possibility that the design shown on 12 March has the capability to fly anywhere near 500 kilometres," drones expert Ken Munson said on Jane's website (http://jdw.janes.com). " The design looks very primitive, and the engines -- which have their pistons exposed -- appear to be low-powered," he said.

MORE: Article Link

Originally from the NY Times: AL TAJI, Iraq -- To hear senior Bush administration officials tell it, Iraq's latest pilotless drone has the potential to be one of Saddam Hussein's deadliest weapons, able to deliver terrifying payloads of chemical and biological warfare agents across Iraq's borders to Israel or other neighboring states. It could even, they say, be broken down and smuggled into the United States for use in terrorist attacks. But viewed up close yesterday by reporters hastened by Iraqi officials to the Ibn Firnas weapons plant outside Baghdad, the vehicle the Iraqis have code-named RPV-30A, for remotely piloted vehicle, looked more like something out of the Rube Goldberg museum of aeronautical design than anything that could threaten Iraq's foes. To the layman's eye, the unveiling of the Iraqi prototype seemed to lend the crisis over Iraq's weapons an aura less of deadly threat than of farce.

"In any case, he and other officials said, the vehicle could not be controlled from a distance of more than 5 miles, in good weather, since its controllers tracked it "with the naked eye."

MORE: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/112262_drone13.shtml

Boston Globe: Duct tape reinforced by aluminum foil held together the black and white drone's balsa wood wings. The wooden propellers and tiny engines were fastened to a well-worn fuselage, fashioned from the fuel tank of a larger aircraft. The words ''God is Great'' were hand painted in red ink on both sides. Perched on a sawhorse at a military research base 20 miles north of Baghdad, the drone looked more like a large school science project than a vehicle capable of delivering chemical and biological weapons. Iraqi officials denied the airplane had any strategic use.

More: Article Link

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5. Bush/Powell LIE about Iraq's Nuclear capabilities concerning "aluminum tubes":

ABC News: Before Congress, and in public, President Bush and Secretary of State Colin Powell have repeatedly pointed to aluminum tubes imported by Iraq which they say are for use in making nuclear weapons. But on Friday, head United Nations nuclear inspector Mohammad ElBaradei told the Security Council that it wasn't likely that the tubes were for that use. ElBaradei also said that documents Bush had cited and relied upon to make the case that Iraq tried to buy uranium from a country in central Africa were fake.

More: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/2020/GMA030310Iraq_weapons_evidence.html

Washington Post: The finding: Iraq had tried to buy thousands of high-strength aluminum tubes, which Bush said were "used to enrich uranium for a nuclear weapon." But according to government officials and weapons experts, the claim now appears to be seriously in doubt. After weeks of investigation, U.N. weapons inspectors in Iraq are increasingly confident that the aluminum tubes were never meant for enriching uranium, according to officials familiar with the inspection process. The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the U.N.-chartered nuclear watchdog, reported in a Jan. 8 preliminary assessment that the tubes were "not directly suitable" for uranium enrichment

Wake up, woiyo. This isn't a dream. It's a nightmare.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 12:32 pm
Based on information provided by numerous intelligance agencies from various countries.

Saddam was a freaking genius to pull this off. He just didn't figure the US would actually attack. He hoped his bribes to various officials would be enough to keep us off his back. Obviously he misunderestimated Bush. :wink:
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 12:34 pm
Actually, it's the other way around; Bush overestimated Saddam.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 12:37 pm
Actually, Saddam seemed more like a tyrannical and murderous idiot who ended up a caged animal in some deep, dark hole in Iraq. He was merely interested in himself and his own survival. Our sanctions were working, and we now know that he DID destroy his wmd factories.

Bush underestimated his own stupidity in invading Iraq when we obviously didn't have to. And now he gets to reap the rewards of his decisions: being voted out of office.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 12:38 pm
Dookie -

INSPECTORS MAKING PROGRESS - So finally after 12 years they suddenly were making progress??? Their "FIRST FINAL REPORT" stated they had NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED to the WMD arsenal. After 12 years...no more time.

FRANCE HELPED US IN GULF 1. - Somewhat and we were grateful. Yet now we know one of the reasons they were not helpful in THIS effort. There was cash coming from Iraq from the corrupt Oilfor Food program.

CHENEY DOING BUSINESS WITH IRAQ YEARS AGO?? Yea so what? How is that relavant today? We were DOING BUSINESS WITH RUSSIA during WW2. Times change, don't they?

KOFI ANNON DENIES CORRUPTION - DUH!!! Really? So you believe him before our own report?

http://nypost.com/seven/10062004/news/worldnews/29793.htm
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 01:10 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Based on information provided by numerous intelligance agencies from various countries.

Saddam was a freaking genius to pull this off. He just didn't figure the US would actually attack. He hoped his bribes to various officials would be enough to keep us off his back. Obviously he misunderestimated Bush. :wink:


You just called Saddam a genius.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 01:16 pm
Ignorance Isn't Strength

October 8, 2004
By PAUL KRUGMAN

I first used the word "Orwellian" to describe the Bush team
in October 2000. Even then it was obvious that George W.
Bush surrounds himself with people who insist that up is
down, and ignorance is strength. But the full costs of his
denial of reality are only now becoming clear.

President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have an
unparalleled ability to insulate themselves from
inconvenient facts. They lead a party that controls all
three branches of government, and face news media that in
some cases are partisan supporters, and in other cases are
reluctant to state plainly that officials aren't telling
the truth. They also still enjoy the residue of the faith
placed in them after 9/11.

This has allowed them to engage in what Orwell called
"reality control." In the world according to the Bush
administration, our leaders are infallible, and their
policies always succeed. If the facts don't fit that
assumption, they just deny the facts.

As a political strategy, reality control has worked very
well. But as a strategy for governing, it has led to
predictable disaster. When leaders live in an invented
reality, they do a bad job of dealing with real reality.

In the last few days we've seen some impressive
demonstrations of reality control at work. During the
debate on Tuesday, Mr. Cheney insisted that "I have not
suggested there's a connection between Iraq and 9/11."
After the release of the Duelfer report, which shows that
Saddam's weapons capabilities were deteriorating, not
advancing, at the time of the invasion, Mr. Cheney declared
that the report proved that "delay, defer, wait wasn't an
option."

From a political point of view, such exercises in denial
have been very successful. For example, the Bush
administration has managed to convince many people that its
tax cuts, which go primarily to the wealthiest few percent
of the population, are populist measures benefiting
middle-class families and small businesses. (Under the
administration's definition, anyone with "business income"
- a group that includes Dick Cheney and George Bush - is a
struggling small-business owner.)

The administration has also managed to convince at least
some people that its economic record, which includes the
worst employment performance in 70 years, is a great
success, and that the economy is "strong and getting
stronger." (The data to be released today, which are
expected to improve the numbers a bit, won't change the
basic picture of a dismal four years.)

Officials have even managed to convince many people that
they are moving forward on environmental policy. They boast
of their "Clear Skies" plan even as the inspector general
of the E.P.A. declares that the enforcement of existing
air-quality rules has collapsed.

But the political ability of the Bush administration to
deny reality - to live in an invented world in which
everything is the way officials want it to be - has led to
an ongoing disaster in Iraq and looming disaster elsewhere.

How did the occupation of Iraq go so wrong? (The security
situation has deteriorated to the point where there are no
safe places: a bomb was discovered on Tuesday in front of a
popular restaurant inside the Green Zone.)

The insulation of officials from reality is central to the
story. They wanted to believe Ahmad Chalabi's promises that
we'd be welcomed with flowers; nobody could tell them
different. They wanted to believe - months after everyone
outside the administration realized that we were facing a
large, dangerous insurgency and needed more troops - that
the attackers were a handful of foreign terrorists and
Baathist dead-enders; nobody could tell them different.

Why did the economy perform so badly? Long after it was
obvious to everyone outside the administration that the
tax-cut strategy wasn't an effective way of creating jobs,
administration officials kept promising huge job gains, any
day now. Nobody could tell them different.

Why has the pursuit of terrorists been so unsuccessful? It
has been obvious for years that John Ashcroft isn't just
scary; he's also scarily incompetent. But inside the
administration, he's considered the man for the job - and
nobody can say different.

The point is that in the real world, as opposed to the
political world, ignorance isn't strength. A leader who has
the political power to pretend that he's infallible, and
uses that power to avoid ever admitting mistakes,
eventually makes mistakes so large that they can't be
covered up. And that's what's happening to Mr. Bush.

E-mail: [email protected]

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 01:21 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Based on information provided by numerous intelligance agencies from various countries.

Saddam was a freaking genius to pull this off. He just didn't figure the US would actually attack. He hoped his bribes to various officials would be enough to keep us off his back. Obviously he misunderestimated Bush. :wink:


You just called Saddam a genius.


Do you deny it? He was also evil, sadistic and an all around a-hole.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 01:24 pm
Yes. I do deny that he was a genius. Clever and maniacal maybe. I'll give you the other three.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 01:56 pm
Ignorance isn't strength, nor is it bliss in Bush's case.

It's dangerous for the world.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 02:45 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
If Iraq is so bad, why does the Bush Administration have to repeatedly Lie to start a war?

1. Powell relies on FORGED documents to link Saddam to terror....

[blah, blah, blah....]


Aside from everything else, the main guy claiming that those African connections were fiction, Richard Clarke, has been shown to be a liar, and the rest of your BS isn't any better.

You want connections between Saddam Hussein and his baathist government and international terrorism?

http://www.archive-news.net/Articles/SH040923.html
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 03:01 pm
gungasnake:

Um, did you check the dates of the individual articles included in your link?

I'd pay more attention if I were you. Or shall we just refer to the 9/11 commission (and now the Duelfer report) as total bullshit?
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 09:12 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
gungasnake:

Um, did you check the dates of the individual articles included in your link?


Um, yeah I did. The first item involves the world trade center bombing in 93 and is from 95. I don't think the two studies you mention have anything to say about the topic.

The second is about the bombing in Kenya in 98. I don't think the two studies you mention have anything to say about the topic.

The third item is about the associated criminal case against BinLaden and Atef. I don't think the two studies you mention have anything to say about the topic.

Fourth item about the 99 Crime and Justice Report. I don't think the two studies you mention have anything to say about the topic.

Fifth item about Guardian's reports of meetings between Saddam and Bin Laden. I don't think the two studies you mention have anything to say about the topic.

You beginning to get the picture? There is a long history of cooperation between Saddam Hussein and AlQuaeda and other terrorist organizations, and the two items you mention are totally irrelevant. George W. Bush is paid to deal with big-picture data and not to pick nits.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 09:45 am
I repeat:

Shall we just refer to the 9/11 commission (and now the Duelfer report) as total bullshit?

Just curious...
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 10:43 am
Richard Clark has not been a proven liar.

Where is that salt pancake when you need one?

I really like that article about reality control. It explains a lot.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 10:56 am
Yeah he has, you just haven't been paying proper attention.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 11:01 am
No, he hasn't.

You republicans can smear him all you like, just like you do to everyone who disagrees with the party line.

But he certainly hasn't been discredited, by a long shot...

Cycloptichorn
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RfromP
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 11:02 am
Saddam Hussein, builds up a large stockpile of chemical weapons in his efforts to one day take over all of the Middle East and "hold the US and the world hostage". Later, while he's being invaded by the very nation he planned to use them on, rather than use them against his mortal enemies he decides a better course of action would be to hide them all and cover up the fact they ever existed. Does that sound plausible to you?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 11:11 am
Saddam was not counting on being invaded, merely needing to "concede" to UN inspections. He moved his WMD's to avoid their discovery by UN inspectors.

Does that sound plausible to you?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 11:16 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
No, he hasn't.

You republicans can smear him all you like, just like you do to everyone who disagrees with the party line.

But he certainly hasn't been discredited, by a long shot...

Cycloptichorn


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