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cheney touted the talking points and played the " i'm older than you " card. yes, he did sound firm about his thoughts. but, if you do not believe what he is saying, it's just snake oil salesmanship.

edwards was not as sonorous as cheney, but he did look us in the eye.

cheney, who we should probably call president cheney, has provided "experience and strong leadership" that has put my country on the edge of ruin.

time to give someone else a chance. couldn't be much worse and will most likely be better.

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LOTTA rope-a-dope that would only count were the debates about 8 or 9 hours long. then stamina and youth would win out over meanness and athrosclerosis.
The gOP is not loaded with light spirit and optimism.
bush had better reclaim his initial alpha male position or hes gonna be percieved as excess baggage. In fact , i think kerry oughta begin harping on the ' Bush is just excess baggage' angle for the closing weeks of the campaign. Cheney was that good and bush was that bad. Remember, its a PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. In our earlier history, the vice president was the guy who got the second place votes.

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farmerman wrote:

In our earlier history, the vice president was the guy who got the second place votes.

Ah, you mean before the two party system changed the rules so they could each field an imbecile and get away with it.

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And they do.

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Well, at least one of the parties has.

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Cheney cleaned his clock. Effective in both style and substance. Edwards said nothing other than Haliburton. Pure politics not issues. I wouldn want either kerry or Edwards in charge. be like Carter all over again. Except they d take more hostages next time.

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Cheney cleaned his clock. Effective in both style and substance. Edwards said nothing other than Haliburton. Pure politics not issues. I wouldn want either kerry or Edwards in charge. be like Carter all over again. Except they d take more hostages next time

Quote:

When your going through hell keep going. Winston Churchill

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ahhh, the newbies arrive with the vital republican talking points. right on schedule.

wait. here comes the 4th most liberal senator line... yipppeeee!

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They both sounded like "this is a recording." Elevator music is more stimulating. I'd rather watch "Plan 9 from Outer Space" backwards.

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If some of you "Professional wrestling" fans were disappointed... tough nougies.

Despite your convictions to the contrary, the debate wasn't supposed to ENTERTAIN you.

I note that the Cheney did some fast talking... when he wasn't telling us he didn't "know where to begin".

BOTH candidates shoveled a LOT of "product".

But I think that Edwards did surprisingly well, and BESTED the veep on every account.
Heck, Half the time Cheney didn't even address the actual question, opting instead to go back to a PREVIOUS question and get in the LAST word...
UNFAIRLY.

BUT... I must commend Mr. Cheney for his phenomenal self-restraint. He didn't ever come right out and tell Edwards to "Go **** yourself", not in so many words... although he tried to imply such in his various responses.

i noted that in the closing statements, Edwards was gracious enough to thank both the host/sponsor of the debate AND the Veep for the opportunity to participate.
Cheney thanked the host, but very ungraciously and POINTEDLY expressed no such thanks to his oppo.

Charisma is one component of Leadership that Mr. Cheney seems to be seriously deficient in.

Edwards made the better showing, and, most importantly, most likely reaped the most ADDITIONAL votes from the pool of "undecideds".

It's gonna take a LOT of partisan spinning to even BEGIN to obscure THAT.

Yes, I'm looking forward to November 2...
AND November 3rd.

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And we were watching the same debate? Rhetoric, Rhetoric and more Rhetoric.
Distortion of the facts and the record. 20 years in the senate and the candidate has introduced a whopping total of 4 bills. Pulled a Hanoi jane after he served honorably in the war and then spent the rest of his career voting against our national defense. Now that its politically expedient to talk like a hawk he puts on his false talons and disguises the chicken tail feathers. Desperate to carry a southern state he picks a jr senator from North carolina as his vp candidate despite the fact his 4 years in the senate and he is a no show for 70% of the votes. Wrong war wrong place wrong time. Right war, right place, right time. Maybe he'll pardon Sadaam Hussein if he's elected.

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Are you intimating that Kerry would have the See-eye-eh make GOOD on their promises to puppet Hussein?

Saddam HAS played along like a GOOD little patsy... invaded Kuwait when Poppy Bush asked him to, and gassed the people up north that the agency told him to gas. Then, when they needed a war to distract the middle class and the blue-collar crowd away from the soured economy, Saddam accomodated them AGAIN.

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The most important revelation of last night's debate was the one that showed the least effective; least knowledgeable; least in command of the facts debater among the four...

...is GEORGE BUSH!

Cheney did just fine...although in my opinion, Edwards clearly did much better.

But unless one is in very, very deep denial...the fact that George Bush is the light-weight in this group has to be very evident.

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I think Cheney came out ahead. Not as clear a victory as Kerry won in the last debate, but Cheney actually sort of came off as likeable. Especially when the topic was gay marriage. Edwards made a lot of good points and, contrary to popular belief, the two times he raised Halliburton were about the company's past business dealings and not about the veeps compensation. But overall, Cheney was better able to answer many of the questions, and Edwards was never able to answer the 'absent senator' charge.

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...agree with Frank that it clearly showed Bush as the odd man out.

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It's early a.m. Allow me to gather my thoughts on this display of machismo last night.

First, we must consider the differences between the two candidates. Cheney is 11 years older than Edwards. (Yes only 11 years. He's only 62 but looks every bit of 70 some-odd years.) Cheney has a lot more "D.C." experience than Edwards. Cheney delivers his rhetoric in a style reminiscent of a grandfather scolding his grandson. The man's delivery alone is soooooo good that he could sell you that "ocean front property in Arizona" George Strait sings of. S'good. Very good at delivering lies. Edwards is fresh faced. Fairly new to "D.C." and he has PASSION and ENERGY ( and great hair Rolling Eyes

). Edwards has a way of delivering a line and you don't realize he just told you off until after the fact. For those of you that may have watched "Designing Women" with Dixie Carter. Edwards reminds me of her character.

Enough of that. My opinionation of last night-----Draw. For Edwards to be able to hold his own up against such seasoned old poker faced fart like Cheney is really another win for the Democrats. :wink:

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Cheney lied on two points. One that he just met John Edwards when they walked on the stage and two was that he never connected Iraq with 9/11. He has been called on both counts.

In point of fact Edwards mentioned Iraq more than any other subject.

All in all it was pretty boring.

I am interested in how the polls are going though.

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revel wrote:

Cheney lied on two points. One that he just met John Edwards when they walked on the stage and two was that he never connected Iraq with 9/11. He has been called on both counts.

How do you know Cheney had ever met Edwards before their debate?

And when did Cheney connect Saddam with 911?

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Larry434 wrote:

revel wrote:
Cheney lied on two points. One that he just met John Edwards when they walked on the stage and two was that he never connected Iraq with 9/11. He has been called on both counts.

How do you know Cheney had ever met Edwards before their debate?

And when did Cheney connect Saddam with 911?

Actually, Edwards' wife reminded Cheney that they had met earlier.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=35392&highlight=

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Larry, frank answered the first. As to the second it and more questions are answered in the following.

http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/politics/index.ssf?/base/politics-6/1097066641241621.xml&storylist=electionmi

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In perhaps the most awkward blooper of the evening, Cheney told Edwards to his face that they had never met before the debate.

Edwards' campaign later provided a transcript of a February 2001 prayer breakfast at which Cheney began his remarks by acknowledging the North Carolina senator. The campaign said the two also met when Edwards accompanied the other North Carolina senator, Elizabeth Dole, to her swearing-in ceremony.

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Whatever the relationship between al-Qaida and Iraq over the years, another question was whether Saddam's Iraq had anything to do with the Sept. 11 attacks specifically. There is no evidence of that.

The vice president stated flatly that he has never suggested a connection between Iraq and Sept. 11.

But he did say in 2003 that if efforts to establish democracy in Iraq succeeded, "we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11."

As you can see he did "suggest" a connection. Suggest in this context means to make out like something happened without coming right out and saying it did.

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