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Elections in Germany update:No turn to the right, after all!

 
 
nimh
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 08:21 am
Now that all of Dresden has voted too, the Bundeswahlleiter has the updated results for all parties, nationally, HERE.

It includes all the smaller parties, which haven't been mentioned much here yet.

The only ones among them that really made a dent were those of the far right. The neo-nazi NPD got 1,6% of the vote - compared to just 0,5% last time round. The Republikaner staid stagnant at 0,6%.

Beyond that, there are Die Graue, The Greys, a party for the elderly; and the Familien-Partei, the Family Party, which is of rather non-political, centrist bent and in the past scored some local successes, for example in Brandenburg. Both of them gained some and now received 0,4% of the vote.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 08:22 am
It's not Germany, it's not a federal election - but somehow I like the results of the elections in the Austrian Land (state) Steiermark (Styria) [happened last weekend] much better than the general elections here in Germany :wink:

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/6200/landtagswahlsteiermark1vp.jpg
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 08:32 am
Wow, those are huge losses for BOTH Haider's xenophobes and the mainstream Christian-Democrats. I'm impressed.

The most surreal bit in that result must be the 6+% of the Communist Party. The Austrian Communist Party has a) had only an extremely marginal existence the last several decades and b) never substantially reformed its ideology; it was one of the last Communist parties to ditch Stalinism and seems little inclined to spend time rethinking Lenin now.

And yet, suddenly, 6% in one of Austria's states.

Why? There was a really interesting article about that in Freitag a while ago:

Der Fall Kaltenegger oder Totgesagte leben strenger
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hamburger
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 12:23 pm
aha ! walter is showing his true colours - as if we didn't know them already !
i can see walter moving to the steiermark, wearing "lederhosen" and a hat with "gamsbart" , all the while yodeling. hbg
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hamburger
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 12:27 pm
i see from the photo that walter has already arrived in the steiermark and is playing the accordion lustily . hbg

http://www.gamsbart-trio.de/images/Bild11a.jpg
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 12:30 pm
Here, this is interesting: ZDF has the breakdown of the result between West-Germany and East-Germany.

Code: West East Germany

CDU/CSU 37,5% 25,3% 35,2%
SPD 35,1% 30,5 34,3%
FDP 10,2% 7,9% 9,8%
Linke.PDS 4,9% 25,4% 8,7%
Grüne 8,8% 5,1% 8,1%
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 12:32 pm
No, thats Gus, Hamburger. Wait, am gonna steal that one for the Caption-the-Photo thread...
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hamburger
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 05:27 pm
nimh, go ahead and use the pix; you are most welcome.

looking at the election results you just posted, the 25.4% of german voters in the east who gave their vote to "linke, PDS" is really showing that the successive german governments have not been able to come to grips with the problems in the east german states. i think it is a worrysome sign. with unemployment in those states running close to 30%, i'm actually surprised more voters didn't cast their votes for the left. i sure hope the next german government will be able to offer the people in the east more than "hope", but actual jobs. of course, it's business that has to be willing to create jobs in the east - no good just creating government jobs .
i have to admit that when we were in germany just a few days after the re-unification 15 years ago and saw the enthusiasm displayed by both ossies and wessies, it looked rather promising on the surface. however, even at that time we noticed that that not all of the wessies were truly enthused. we heard people speak of the "masses of unemployed" coming from the east and perhaps taking jobs (and apartments - yes, we heard that more than once) away from the wessies. i think the next german government won't have an easy job, but they cannot afford to ignore the problems - social, political and labour. i wish them good luck ! hbg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 5 Oct, 2005 01:01 pm
Schröder out, Merkel in, both out or whatever - the rumor mill keeps buzzing.

This, however, isn't something on the grapevine:

Quote:
Merkel, Schroeder say on track for coalition deal
Wed Oct 5, 2005

By Noah Barkin

BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany's conservative Angela Merkel and Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder voiced optimism after talks on Wednesday that their rival parties would resolve a row over who should lead the country and seal a deal to share power.

Following a two-and-a-half hour meeting to resolve Germany's crippling political impasse, Merkel sounded more positive on the prospects of forging a new government than she has since she narrowly edged ahead of Schroeder in a September 18 election.

The vote left neither Merkel's Christian Democrats (CDU) nor Schroeder's Social Democrats (SPD) with enough votes to form a government with their preferred partners, forcing them into talks with each other.

"Overall I am more optimistic than pessimistic," Merkel told reporters. "On the basis of substantive policy issues I am broadly positive that I can recommend my party enter serious coalition negotiations."

Schroeder, speaking shortly after Merkel, struck a positive tone. "The exploratory talks have shown that there is a basis for a grand coalition," he said.

The rhetoric from both parties contrasted sharply with the barbs they had exchanged ahead of the discussions. Merkel's CDU had threatened to break off talks unless Schroeder, who has refused to concede defeat, agreed to step down.

While this issue was not resolved in the Wednesday discussions, the comments suggested a breakthrough could come soon, with both parties pledging to hold another high-level meeting to clear up who would be Germany's next chancellor.

A source who attended Wednesday's meeting told Reuters this second meeting -- to be attended by Merkel, Schroeder, SPD chief Franz Muentefering and Christian Social Union (CSU) head Edmund Stoiber -- would take place on Thursday at 7:00 p.m. (1700 GMT).

"I got the signal from the SPD that there is a readiness for such a meeting," Merkel said when asked whether Schroeder had given any signs he could step down. "Overall I have the impression that there is a clear will by the SPD to ensure that coalition talks can start."

END TO DEADLOCK?

The tone of the comments suggests Germany's top parties may be close to ending a deadlock that has plagued the country for two-and-a-half weeks.

Once Europe's economic powerhouse, Germany now faces weak growth, high unemployment and a stubborn budget deficit.

Protracted talks and conflicts between the CDU and SPD over how to solve Germany's woes risk exacerbating these problems.

But CSU chief Stoiber said the talks had shown that a consensus existed on problems in the labour market, on the need to address Germany's budget woes and to tackle its cumbersome federal structure.

"Consolidation of the budget, a cleaning up of our social security system -- these issues can be better solved by a grand coalition," Stoiber said. "I am optimistic that we can come to serious talks in the next week if the other issues are cleared up," he added, in a reference to the chancellor issue.

Others are more cautious about whether a grand coalition, which existed only once before in Germany in the 1960s, is a cure all for the best solution.

German industry fears the SPD could block some of Merkel's plans to loosen the labour market by easing firing rules and cutting payroll costs.

"The talks on forming a grand coalition are going back and forth and are unlikely to lead to a modernisation of the German economy," said Anton Boerner, president of the BGA trade association on Wednesday.
Source
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 5 Oct, 2005 01:03 pm
As a reminder:

NEW BUNDESTAG

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40829000/gif/_40829240_germ_parl2_203.gif

1. Christian Democrats/Christian Social Union (CDU/CSU): 226
2. Social Democrats (SPD): 222
3. Free Democrats (FDP): 61
4. Left Party: 54
5. Greens: 51
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2005 02:38 am
Some media think, today is the day (even 'lists' of cabinet posts are suggested) - but I suppose, it will take more than just a couple of days until we know it definately

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/3498/stoibermerkelschrdermnte8lq.jpg
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hamburger
 
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Reply Fri 7 Oct, 2005 01:45 pm
chancellor schroeder visits president putin and extends "birthday" greetings. putin said this was the "best birthday" present for him ! when schroeder was asked if this was a good-bye visit, he denied it and said it was a visit with a friend ! (from "spiegel" news-service)
(is schroeder looking for a new job ?). hbg

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,526742,00.jpg
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 7 Oct, 2005 02:48 pm
How embarassing.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Fri 7 Oct, 2005 05:45 pm
putin doesn't look very comfortable, does he ?
it looks as if schroeder is "putting the squeeze on him"; "you want to go out for a night on the town. what do you say, vlad , ol' buddy ?". hbg
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old europe
 
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Reply Fri 7 Oct, 2005 08:27 pm
nimh wrote:
How embarassing.


Duh. Exactly.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2005 05:11 am
Quote:
'Digger' Schroeder calls it quits

Monday, October 10, 2005 Posted: 0944 GMT (1744 HKT)

BERLIN, Germany (Reuters) -- Gerhard Schroeder, who has been fighting from behind since he was born into poverty at the end of World War II, kept up his battle to stay in office for three weeks after he lost Germany's general election last month.

But Germany's seventh post-war chancellor will bow out under a deal sealed on Monday, having turned his campaign to hold on to power after the election into a crusade to get as much of his party's policies as possible written into the new government's program.

His Social Democrats are poised to gain control of powerful ministries in a "grand coalition" government in exchange for handing the chancellery to Christian Democrat Angela Merkel, according to the deal leaked by an SPD source on Monday.


link

Quote:
The Conservative leader Angela Merkel is set to become Germany's first female Chancellor under a power-sharing agreement that would end Social Democrat Gerhard Schröder's seven years in office, Social Democratic officials said today.

But the Social Democrats extracted a high price for Schröder backing down from his demands to continue in office: his party would get eight seats in the Cabinet, compared to six for Merkel's group, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity.


link
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2005 10:03 am
Results from the CDU, CSU and SPD, here as seen by the new "chancelloresse" [is their a female word for 'chencellor'?]

Quote:
Merkel to become German chancellor
Germany's conservative leader Angela Merkel has announced that she will be the country's next chancellor at the head of a coalition government. This marks the first time a woman has held the post. Merkel said she had reached a power-sharing deal with outgoing Chancellor Gerhard Schröder. As the part of the agreement, most of the seats in Merkel's new cabinet will go to Schröder's Social Democratic party, including top jobs such as the foreign minister's post. The deal ends weeks of deadlock and paves the way for formal coalition talks between Merkel's conservative CDU and Schröder's SPD parties.
Source
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2005 03:30 pm
So, Walter, personal take on what this government is gonna be like?


How do you feel about it all?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2005 03:39 pm
Well, very personally I think, it went better than I feared.

However, coalition start next week (I think). It will take some time to get the coalitin pact fixed, to choose the ministers etc.

And then: will the basis accept it (especially the SPD-basis).
Next question: will Merkel really be elected? (The chnacellor here is elected by the parliament, and several SPD-MPs already announced that they wont elect her.)


But if she really will be elected and we get that government, I suppose that Merkel will get the knife in her back from her own party.
I don't expect this government to be acting more than two years. Merkel's counterpart from her sister-party, Stoiber (will-be minister for economy) is THE factor here.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2005 03:46 pm
So, Stoiber's policies?
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