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Elections in Germany update:No turn to the right, after all!

 
 
nimh
 
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Reply Mon 19 Sep, 2005 09:06 am
Heh. "New Zealand First" sounds like a good name for the Greens to hook up with ...
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 19 Sep, 2005 09:17 am
This one's fun too: a sample of record results. Berlin-Kreuzberg/Friedrichshain nets no less than three of them.

Who knew there are still districts where the SPD candidate gets over 60% of the vote? The 43% each for the Greens' Strobele and the Leftists' Lotsch in two Berlin districts cant help but impress either.

For the political historians, this one's cuter still: record results since 1949.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 19 Sep, 2005 09:26 am
I think, you'd like the Saarland results .... re Die Linke :wink:
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 19 Sep, 2005 09:39 am
Yeah ... saw them already Very Happy

But they did unexpectedly well in Rheinland-Pfalz and Hessen as well, and the Ruhr area of course - and their Bremen numbers!
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hamburger
 
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Reply Mon 19 Sep, 2005 05:01 pm
it all sounds somewhat familiar. much like canada's last election. also noted with interest that 75% of germans don't want another election right now; they want the politicians to get some work done. much the same in canada, people don't wnt another election now, but want politicians to pass good legislation - so next election will probably not be before next spring. the electorate has it made known that any party scuttling parliament will pay dearly at the polls. hbg
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 19 Sep, 2005 06:42 pm
So, as I undestand it, each of the major parties (neither with a majority) is scrambling to cut deals with some of the minority parties for control. johnboy gets more than frustrated sometimes with the two-party system in the US. But maybe, given the uncertainty of a multi-party system, it is not such a bad idea.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 19 Sep, 2005 11:40 pm
We got used to talks about coalitions since some decades, johnboy - I would never like to have only to decide between two alternatives in an election.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 20 Sep, 2005 04:39 am
The downside of coalition governments is that the ever-required compromise can stifle reform and change.

Then again, the two-party system that gives a carte blanche for the winning party to create its own government administration also allows for radical change to throttle forward in the wrong direction.

I'm conservative enough to prefer coalition governments... that dont allow for revolutionary change beyond what a majority of the population would approve of (the Thatcherite revolution, in contrast, was never based on more than 42% of the voters supporting her).

Also a question of principle, I suppose. Democracy - and thus government, too - should reflect the will of at least a majority of the people - not just that of whoever turns out to be the largest minority, imho.

You also have to realise that the system has yielded obvious and stable majority coalition governments for decades - as stable as America's, I'd say. But true - this time round, even if its for the first time in over two decades, the Germans truly are in a pickle. What a mess!
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 20 Sep, 2005 04:41 am
Though it sure was bizarre/funny to see a picture in today's Sueddeutsche Zeitung of a Jamaican flag hanging outside the Bavarian office of the Christian-Social Union! Razz
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 20 Sep, 2005 04:58 am
Walter, where is that traffic light "artwork" you photographed in London?

I would think it quite appropriate for the German situation right now!
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 20 Sep, 2005 05:14 am
Quote:
Fischer schließt aus, unter Angela Merkel Minister bleiben zu wollen. Sie werde ohnehin nicht Kanzlerin. Was wird? Dem Außenminister ist spitzbübische Freude anzusehen, als er ausführt: «In den nächsten Wochen kann ich nur sagen, da wird kalendarisch der Herbst beginnen, dann bewegen wir uns Richtung Weihnachten und ansonsten schau'n mer mal.»

Source

"Fischer rules out remaining Germany's Minister of Foreign Affairs under Angela Merkel. She is not going to be the Chancellor, anyway. So what will be? The Foreign Minister shows rogueish glee when he retorts: "About the next few weeks I can only say, autumn will begin, after that we will move towards Christmas and otherwise let's just see."
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 20 Sep, 2005 05:51 am
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
Walter, where is that traffic light "artwork" you photographed in London?

I would think it quite appropriate for the German situation right now!


Here:

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/9365/trafficlights6gz.th.jpg


Btw: I stopped counting the various possibilities suggested by numerous party officials: the minister-presidents are now going to add their ideas as well as actual and former stae and federal ministers ....
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 20 Sep, 2005 06:41 am
How long can this state of uncertainty go on? Can we help by sending over some aristocratic Hanoverians to run the country whilst you sort things out?
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 20 Sep, 2005 07:06 am
Perhaps the country will benefit from not having politicians shove it around for a while ... Razz
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 20 Sep, 2005 07:11 am
nimh wrote:
Perhaps the country will benefit from not having politicians shove it around for a while ... Razz

Careful nimh -- you're beginning to talk like a libertarian! Razz
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 20 Sep, 2005 07:18 am
Anarchist, thank you very much Razz

Thomas, you wanna have a try here?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 20 Sep, 2005 07:28 am
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
How long can this state of uncertainty go on? Can we help by sending over some aristocratic Hanoverians to run the country whilst you sort things out?


The new Bundestag meets for the first time within 30 days after the general elctions.

Quote:
Election of the Federal Chancellor
Immediately after the election to the Bundestag, and long before the Bundestag's constituent meeting, negotiations begin on the formation of a new government. Generally, they take the form of coalition talks as it is rare for one party to gain an absolute majority. The parties set up special delegations to conduct these talks, the aim of which is to find a parliamentary majority for a programme of political action over the electoral term and to agree on the distribution of government departments between the partners in the coalition.

Source and further information


The official provisional final results are (according to above noted source):

• SPD: 34,3 % (2002: 38,5 %)
• CDU: 27,8 % (2002: 29,5 %)
• CSU: 7,4 % (2002: 9,0 %)
• GRÜNE: 8,1 Prozent (2002: 8,6 Prozent)
• FDP: 9,8 % (2002: 7,4 %)
• Die Linke.: 8,7 % (2002: 4,0 %) and
• Sonstigen ('Others'): 3,8 % (2002: 3,0 %)

[Nota bene: the SPD is the biggest fraction! At least according to the official website of the German Parliament.]

So, after the first meeting, the Bundestag elects a chancellor (Art. 63 Abs. 1, 2 Basic Law). Full stop.

If this can't happen, they do it again, a fortnight later. Fullstop.

If they still have difficulties, there's at once a new election for the chancellor in the Bundestag by the members: that person, who gets the most votes is elected as chancellor.

If that didn't happen with an absolute majority, the Federal President has to appoint him/her ... or to dissolve the Bundestag and call for new general elections.

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I really think that at least shortly after the second proceture we'll get a strong coalition with a strong(er) majority ...
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 20 Sep, 2005 07:47 am
So, 44 days at most ... thats not so bad. It took 4 months to build a new government in Holland after the last elections...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 08:46 am
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/420/clipboard15ho.jpg

Headlines below the photo-collage:

"Move!" "Silly argumentation"
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 12:49 pm
The 'Süddeutsche' as well as the Munich 'Abendzeitung' are reporting in their Thursday's (tomorrow's) editions that Stoiber threatens to split the CSU away from the CDU, if Merkle will go towards a coalition with the FDP and the Greens.

This was just discussed in a life discussion in tv (WDR) as well: obviously the members of the CSU don't like such a coalition at all.
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