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Reply Thu 30 Sep, 2004 12:35 am
Am I the only one suckered into watching this? I'll admit it was the combination of a hobbit and the series being filmed in Hawaii... and pregnant woman stranded that got me to turn in last week, and I almost didn't turn in this week, but there are some twists I just didn't see coming... The brunette woman is a criminal who was being escorted by a U.S. Marshall? A polar bear on the loose? A looped message in french, "il est dehors," literally means "he/it's out"? Plus some more, about her being the only one left, etc. Shocked What's loose on the island? And the message is from 16 years ago? Shocked Merry as a rocker w/a drug problem was not surprising, but he's still interesting to watch and make up detail and dialog for... and the rest of the cast is interesting... Don't tell me I'm the only one watching this... Confused
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mcbluesbrothers
 
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Reply Thu 30 Sep, 2004 02:03 am
Lost
Hello, I am having a hard time trying to make this work I will try again. I watched the first and second episodes of "LOST" that new TV series. I read what another person said and I wanted to respond. I had trouble with the lack of any form of reality last week but tuned in tonight to see the monster. I don't think you see many Polar bears on topical islands., If that is what it was. They wouldn't let us see much of it to judge.This monster or monsters, what ever it is that snatched the pilot out of the cockpit 50 feet in the air wasn't no Polar bear. How come nobody has found any foot print.They keep showing this plane coming apart a 20,000 feet and want us to believe it stayed together enough to have 40 some survivors. This 16 year old signal they keep hearing, how exactly is that possible. It must have been useing eveready batteries. Maybe that was a big die hard Bunny and not a Polar bear at all. I can't believe this show will survive. But I said the same thing about the Simpsons. But Homer is a better actor and more easy to believe
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princesspupule
 
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Reply Thu 30 Sep, 2004 10:19 am
I'm thinking it's going to be something surreal and bizarre... Bermuda triangle meets Steven King's Langoliers. Did you notice that the comic book scene? Wasn't there a polar bear in the comic book?

You're right about the acting: some of it sucks. Jack, the hero, hits a sour note w/me: he's supposed to be wonderful, but he comes across as a one dimensional super hero. Like, when they find the pilot alive before he's mangled by the monster and they don't tell the others... Like, maybe he gets to decide what information the rest are privy to? But I thought the brunette woman was shallow and one-dimensional last week, and this week her back-story develped to the point that she is interesting to me... But Charlie the hobbit can act and I would watch him in anything! Then there is the blonde guy who shot the bear is played like the character is an asshole, but it takes some guts to shoot a bear point blank, so I'm liking that character... The fat guy is funny and hits the right notes to be totally believeable... and the woman who was painting her nails and not going to eat chocolate b/c she's waiting for the rescue? Laughing There are a few other characters: the korean couple, the black guy and his son, the old guy who had an orange in his mouth first episode and looks oddly like a monkey for a minute in profile... And the Iraqi with excellent math skills... Razz

It's not "Twin Peaks", but it's not "Gilligan's Island," either. Cool
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princesspupule
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 01:17 pm
Nobody else seems to be watching this show here, but it's so good that I'm going to post a comment anyway and hope it'll make somebody/anybody curious enough to watch also.

Tonight's episode was titled "Walkabout," and featured a character named John Locke. He's been a bit odd so far into the show, but the actor who plays him strikes an enigmatic note playing him "odd." Smile I had high hopes for his to be so much, perhaps even somehow related to the magic/oddness of the island, although I did see the character on the plane in a preceding episode, so I knew he wasn't the thing, which is what my daughter thought. At first, when they had him in an office in his personal flashback, I was disappointed that Locke appeared to be just another disgruntled office worker, then on to his home life: sad and lonely. I thought he was more mysterious than that. But there was more and the ending made me forgive everything!

Now... what else is he not telling? What did he see while alone hunting boar? Why does "it" sound metallic?

Wouldn't Charlie's stash have gotten wet since he went full-body fishing?

All right, that's all for now...
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mcbluesbrothers
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 01:26 pm
Lost,lost,lost & lost
Hello, Me again. I am sorry they went too far and they "Lost" me. I was channel surfing and flip on it, was that last night, Well they still haven't shown any of the "thing" as you call it. I believe they are writing this stuff as they go along.Have they shown at least foot prints? I wish you well with Lost but it ain't going to make it with just one person watching it. Dale
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 02:33 pm
I watched the Walk-about episode... it was alright.

i have trouble getting Part of 5 images ut of my head everytime I see the doctor.

The Locke character was pretty sad... I didn't see the wheelchair thing coming at all.

I only saw part of another episode before this one so can not comment on the thing in the trees... whats the big deal with that?


ps. princess... I sent you an avatar.
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princesspupule
 
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Reply Wed 27 Oct, 2004 09:47 pm
Thanks for the avatar, jp. Very Happy

Now for an article about the most interesting series to emerge from the new fall lineup:

http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2004/10/27/getting_lost?pg=full
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Getting 'Lost'
Show pursues TV's most elusive genre -- mythology. Or maybe that's not it all.
By Matthew Gilbert, Globe Staff | October 27, 2004

On "Lost," 46 plane-crash survivors are stuck on a remote Pacific island. Or at least they might be survivors; they might also be souls in purgatory, hovering between heaven and hell, defending their lives on the sands of judgment. Or at least they might be on a sandy island; they might also be inside a "Truman Show" --like zoo, or on a planet where polar bears thrive in tropical climates. If indeed those beasts in the "Lost" forest are bears, and not emissaries of God, or grotesque alien creatures, or Mulder, Scully, and the Log Lady on a journey to the Hellmouth.


Feeling out to sea?

Then you're right where "Lost" creator J.J. Abrams wants you to be. You can't assume anything when it comes to his compelling new show, except that it's a big hit for ABC and that right now you're reading an article about it. It is a classic example of TV's most challenging and elusive serial format, the mythology show, a genre whose number includes "Twin Peaks," "Buffy the Vampire Slayer," "Smallville," "Roswell," "Carnivale," Abrams's "Alias," and, of course, "The X-Files." "Lost" airs tonight at 8 on Ch. 5.

On a mythology show, everything you know is suspect -- a cigarette, as "The X-Files" made all too plain during its 1993-2002 run, is never just a cigarette. Mythology TV writers aren't in the business of selling certainty. They're all about pulling viewers into the guesswork and paranoia of a giant mystery, leading them on with a trail of cryptic clues. Abrams may have titled his series after the castaways, but he wants viewers to feel a little lost, too.

Mythology shows tend to attract lively, game audiences. Nighttime soaps such as "The O.C." and "Everwood" require a similar commitment to ongoing plots, but they don't ask viewers to do a lot of work along the way. They explain themselves. A mythology show, however, makes its viewers into cosmic Sherlocks who must keep finding the hidden truths in an only partially recognizable universe. Mythology writers expect rigorous, un-couch-potato-like viewing -- and they get it, sometimes in spades. There are countless websites devoted to the likes of "The X-Files," "Lost," "Millennium," and "Dark Angel," where avid fans turn their theories into communal-shrine art. Many of these sites also publish "fanfic" -- fan fiction -- that finds members spinning their own tales about a show's characters. Unlike most TV viewers, mythology devotees are not passive listeners to the stories the box is telling them.

And with such dedication to labyrinthine puzzles, mythology fans deserve a payoff. It behooves TV mythology creators and writers eventually to unite years of disparate plot tips and evasive disclosures. They don't need to force events to a hokey resolution, but they do need to reward viewers with a glimpse of the big picture.

In this way, "The X-Files" is the embodiment of a failed mythology show. Ambitiously, across a decade, creator Chris Carter threw thousands of provocative morsels at viewers hungry to understand his unique mind trip. But ultimately, he failed to assemble the pieces into a satisfying, sensible whole. He squandered his audience's good faith. It was as though he'd extended the mythology beyond any possibility of cohesion in order to keep making money on it. Every sweeps period, it seemed, and with the theatrical release of the movie, "X-Files" ads were promising resolutions that never came. The series mythology began to feel relentlessly circular, like hearing a long game of "Dungeons & Dragons" on a tape loop.

That Abrams is now behind two mythology series -- "Alias," along with "Lost," which he co-created with Damon Lindelof -- proves he's a bold fellow indeed. They're hard products to conceive well, and they're hard sells with audiences, as recent mythology flops such as "Tarzan" and "Wolf Lake" have proven. "Alias," which returns in January, has shown great creative energy during its three-year run; but its core mystery is approaching "X-Files" overripeness. If he wants us to have faith in his vision for "Lost," Abrams needs to show us he still has control of his vision of "Alias" and its knotty Rambaldi business.

And, the best mythology shows are truly about unique vision. Usually tinged with the supernatural, if not out-and-out science fiction, they are to the medium what "Star Wars" is to the movies, or what Ursula K. LeGuin novels are to literature, or what comic books are to the magazine rack. They look altogether different from the rest of television, with highly stylized set designs that suggest distant, even surreal territories. "Carnivale" is a visual masterpiece that takes you far away in time and place as it showcases the catastrophic tension between the preacher and the outlaw. It's set in an evocative, alien location -- a world invented by show creator Daniel Knauf, who had far less fortune with "Wolf Lake."

While an original series such as "Desperate Housewives" charms, its world looks and behaves like a version of our own. Mythology TV worlds are more organic products of the imaginations -- and some would say the collective unconsciousness -- of its creators. They're pure figments of human fantasy, nightmare, wish, fear, rapture, grief.

Remarkably, many of TV's mythology shows are contemporary iterations and revisions of the sort of archetypes Joseph Campbell once mapped out. Most of them are built on Campbell's Hero journey -- the Hero's initial refusal of the call, for example, which last week found Jack (Matthew Fox) on "Lost" vehemently -- but temporarily -- rejecting his role as leader of the survivors. Abrams has given us the archetypal animal in the enchanted woods, if, of course, that presence is indeed an animal. And he has given us John Locke (named after the "tabula rasa" philosopher and played with keen ambiguity by mythology icon Terry O'Quinn, whose TV credits include "Harsh Realm," "Millennium," "The X-Files," and "Alias"), who could be Jack's Mentor, and who could also be the Shapeshifter of the piece. After all, Locke did rise from his wheelchair after the plane crash.

It would be quite an exaggeration to suggest that mythology shows, which include "Angel" and "Farscape," are as enduring as the myths we've inherited from the ancients. In thousands of years, Sydney on "Alias" will be electronic dust, while the goddess Diana may still be alive in our cultural memory -- the name of a moon shuttle company, perhaps. Television is a medium of transience -- less so, as it stretches its shelf life on cable, DVD, and Internet fan sites, but still fleeting. And while myths are told and retold and kept alive by interpreters, TV's mythology shows are told only once. Attempts to duplicate them and expound upon them can lead to copyright problems. Even fanfic is discouraged by studios; disclaimers must appear on stories, and no profits may be collected for them. But still these shows have ancient archetypes at their root, as they update and perpetuate them.

Like their heroes and heroines, mythology shows are the antithesis of prime time TV's big monsters, Scylla (crime dramas) and Charybdis (reality shows). Unlike the "CSI" and "Law & Order" series, they don't solve a murder and then provide viewers with a tidy denouement. And unlike "Survivor" and "The Apprentice," they evade direct statement and self-analysis. They deliver their realities in the peripheries of the storytelling, in the hints that are dropped ever so carefully over time.

That's why the instant success of "Lost" is as surprising as it is deserved. As each episode explores its characters' backstories, and adds to a dramatic tapestry that will include events both off and on the island, it doesn't grant the instant gratification of most shows. It invites us to imagine possibilities, welcoming our crazy theories about Purgatory and alien abduction and government conspiracy. For an hour a week, it encourages us to get lost in a few uncommon daydreams.

Matthew Gilbert can be reached at [email protected].
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mac11
 
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Reply Wed 27 Oct, 2004 09:59 pm
I'm hooked on the show, princess. Sorry I missed your thread until now.

I was a Twin Peaks fan and a big X-Files fan. This show is dragging me in the way those did.

I like the way different characters are being revealed in each episode. They could keep this up for a long time. Tonight was a surprise with the Korean wife's backstory...

But have you noticed that, except for the token fat guy, these are very attractive people? Even Terry O'Quinn (who seems to be the only survivor over the age of 30) is looking pretty good.

Oh, I take that back about the older survivors. There have been a few others - there was the lady (last week) who was withdrawn and waiting for her husband. Plus a couple of others - but not in the featured roles.
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mac11
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 12:51 pm
Did anyone watch on Wednesday? I missed most of it. What happened?
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loislane17
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 01:21 pm
I'm late but I'm hooked as well, Principesa!

I missed the opener and maybe one here or there, but I really enjoyed the one on the Japanese (aren't they Japanese and not Korean as the black guy keeps saying?? Isn't her dad Yakuza??)

I like the way they have a flash back with a person; I agree with jpinMil--I had no idea where they were going with Locke. And I've enjoyed the one with the rock band kid--didn't see his brother sobering up either.

I think it has some unique ways of showing things--look at the guy who was with the repulican guard in Iraq! Things come out of left field, and I am less concerned with the creepies in the forest than the other half of the plane; the other people's stories.

Very crafty and interesting plots. ok, I totally agree that the monsters are a little Star Trek year one int heir tackiness, but I love the character development.

Guess I'll hang in there!
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 01:57 pm
I've watched this show for two reasons:

1. Lots of good reviews
2. It's in HD.

The fact is, this show moves along at a sloth's pace. You must be a soap watcher to really get into this.

Thankfully this should only be a one season show. What could it possibly morph into other than another Gilligan's Island?
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princesspupule
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 03:43 pm
Review of "The Moth", episode 7:
http://televisionwithoutpity.com/story.cgi?show=136&story=7070
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This episode's backstory focuses on Charlie, the drug-addicted rock star (or, if you prefer, as he does, "rock god"), whose first response, we see, to Driveshaft's burgeoning fame (and the corresponding dirty dirty sex) was to go to a priest and confess. So he wants to bag on the band, even as it gets a record contract, but stays in because his brother and bandmate "Liam" (as in Gallagher, apparently) pleads with him and promises they can walk away together if things get really hairy. So of course, things get hairy. Like a moth! Only "hairy" in this case means "lots of drugs, and even more dirty dirty sex, at least for Liam, who is turning into a major-label asshole." So Charlie wants to walk away, and Liam won't, and Charlie finds himself drawn to drugs, kind of like (or exactly like) a moth to a flame. And then we skip a whole lot of time and Liam's clean and the band's broken up, only Charlie's still a junkie and wants to get the band back together, only Liam says no and Charlie stomps off, onto a plane that -- well, this is where we came in. And in the present, Jack gets caught in a cave-in, and we all breathlessly wonder whether this series is going to kill its star on the seventh episode. Charlie saves him, because he's becoming stronger with the help of Obi Locke Kenobi and a moth (scientific name: Unsubtleus metaphorus). And Sayid uses his brilliant mind to try to triangulate the whatchamajigger with the whosis, but then he gets clunked in the back of the head by some unknown person (not, as you might suspect, by all the falling anvils).
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mac11
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 03:45 pm
Excellent! Thanks princess. I only watched part of the cave-in section.
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princesspupule
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 03:52 pm
cjhsa wrote:
I've watched this show for two reasons:

1. Lots of good reviews
2. It's in HD.

The fact is, this show moves along at a sloth's pace. You must be a soap watcher to really get into this.

Thankfully this should only be a one season show. What could it possibly morph into other than another Gilligan's Island?


Laughing

I rather enjoy stories told like epic sagas, myself. I hope it's more like Lord of the Flies meets It than any soap opera meets prime time, but who knows at this point, yeah?

My personal theory is that it's going to be about good vs. evil, and that Jack is supposed to be a Jesus-like character after viewing "The Moth." There's been a theme of dark vs. light, even down to where to live... I'm not sure how that'll tie into scientific theory, which is what I thought part of the premise is supposed to be based upon. Confused

The soundstage they use is the old Xerox building on Oahu where a worker went berserk and shot up the place, killing several co-workers about 5 years ago, so even the real stuff is eerie to me.

I'm waiting to see what happens with this whole show. I hope it's not all the dream of an autistic person someplace (remember St. Elsewhere, I think it was called?)
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princesspupule
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 03:57 pm
TWOP will elaborate their recap in a few days. Their recaps tend to be scathingly funny, don't take televison seriously. I was in and out of the room myself for "The Moth," but believe it will be repeated this Saturday night on ABC along with the preceding week's show...

Btw, who was it asked if they were japanese yakusa? They are korean yakusa. Same business, just a little bit further west...
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 04:14 pm
Mrs. cav loves the show, but I find it excrutiating. I just can't help thinking of 'The Lost World', a truly awful show. Anyway, I'm too involved with the new Canadian mini-series ReGenesis right now, smartly planned for only 13 episodes. If Lost goes into second season, I have no doubt it will jump the shark, but who knows? Worse programs have lasted longer.

ReGenesis: http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-29414/#intro

Official site: http://www.regenesistv.com/
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Thu 11 Nov, 2004 04:04 pm
princesspupule wrote:
I rather enjoy stories told like epic sagas, myself. I hope it's more like Lord of the Flies meets It than any soap opera meets prime time, but who knows at this point, yeah?


PP, I think you're on to something with the Lord of the Flies comment.
They are now seperated into two groups. The doc and the Iraqi went a little crazy last night and did some major butt whoopin'... kind of reverting to savages type mentality.

I am really starting to like this show.
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princesspupule
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2004 04:30 pm
jpinMilwaukee wrote:

PP, I think you're on to something with the Lord of the Flies comment.
They are now seperated into two groups. The doc and the Iraqi went a little crazy last night and did some major butt whoopin'... kind of reverting to savages type mentality.

I am really starting to like this show.


Me, too. It seemed interesting to me the way Sayid elected himself to be the torturer to save Jack from the job... Or is that how it went down? Delegation of roles/parts... sort of a continuation of the whole good vs. evil/ light vs. dark thing...

The letter seemed intriguing from what I could hear(have to wait for the Saturday reairing... had a child need bedtime right in the middle of "Lost." Embarrassed)... Did he say something about having a partner in Toronto? Where is Evangeline Lilly supposed to be from? I sense some tying up of loose plotlines coming this way...

Was Sawyer projecting another ending, or was that his backstory? It could be S.O.P. for the backstory plot, but wouldn't it also have worked for him to be rewriting his history or something a little bit different, a little bit more complex...? And was he ever in Australia in his backstory or in an airport? I didn't catch that through the wall if he was...
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mac11
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2004 10:34 pm
I missed some of Wednesday's show too. Sawyer's letter was a nice plot twist actually.

I didn't catch the Toronto bit - please post it if you catch it as I probably won't be able to watch Saturday nite either.
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princesspupule
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 10:21 am
Sayid's episode of "Lost" has been the best since Locke's! But of course, that could be b/c I think he's such a hottie... Embarrassed

They showed the french woman, and she is a scientist who watched the other members of her team have some sort of change overcome them (some illness, perhaps?) and she has a missing child, Alex, on the island. We don't know whether Alex is a son or a daughter, and I am going on the record now that the "monster" is Alex. Idea I can't wait to hear more about her and the island's past!!!!!!!!! What sort of scientific experiment involving bears (she said, when they heard a noise, "Let's hope it's just one of the bears," Shocked ) could involve some sort of madness or mutation or brain lesion making the vector dangerous and "lost" to themselves??? Question

2 weeks to the next episode, which features Claire, the p/g woman. I heard that she disappears... I am guessing that either Alex kidnaps her, or Danielle does... Idea I can't wait for the next episode, and can't wait for this Saturday when they better replay the past 2 b/c I missed most of the Sawyer one. Curious princesses want to rehash each sentence and look for clues, and I heard there was some heavy s&m stuff with the 3 "hottest" men characters... I need to see for myself if that is true...
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