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The Complete Dumbing Down Of America

 
 
Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 08:54 am
We are officially one dimensional....what more proof does one need?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1951&ncid=2019&e=1&u=/variety/20040928/va_tv_ne/fox_news_beats_all_rivals
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 08:55 am
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1951&ncid=2019&e=1&u=/variety/20040928/va_tv_ne/fox_news_beats_all_rivals
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littlek
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 09:03 am
sigh
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Fedral
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 10:19 am
Let's see...

1) Many on the Right feel that the 'Alphabet Networks' (ABC,CBS,NBC and CNN) show Liberal bias in their reporting.

2) For many years, there was no alternative to the 'Alphabet Networks'.

3) Fox News is born and offers a broadcast that displays Conservative bias in their reporting.

4) Half the country is Liberal, the other half is Conservative.

5) Liberals seem surprised that half of news watchers switch to a broadcast that more reflects their views instead of sticking with the 'Old Guard'

Let's be real.

Let me give you an example:

Let us say that I and my friends like steak and you and your friends like chicken.

We both live in a town where there are 3 restaurants ABC restaurant, CBS Chicken and Colonel NBC's Chicken.
All 3 of which only serve chicken.

Well, we steak eaters want to go to dinner, but since chicken is all that is being served, we eat chicken. We don't care for it, but it is better than sitting at home.

Several years later, a new restaurant opens...
CNN Fried Chicken.
My friends and I sigh, but we eat at the new restaurant because it serves fast.

Several more years pass and a new restaurant opens up...
Fox's Steakhouse!
Myself and my friends start eating exclusively at the new place.

All the chicken lovers start complaining...
"But they don't serve chicken at Fox's Steakhouse... it's biased against chicken eaters"

The steak eaters shake their heads and say...
"Well couldn't you have served even ONE steak dish at the other four restaurants?"

The reply came back...
"We were never biased against steak eaters, we just figured everyone loved chicken."

At which point, the half of the town that loved steak, continued to eat at Fox's Steakhouse and the rest of the town ate at the other 4 places.

The steak eaters understood why the chicken eaters ate at their chicken restaurants.
Yet, for some reason, the chicken eaters could never understand why everyone refused to love the chicken that was being served.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 10:23 am
one must first believe that all the other news networks were strictly liberal biaed to accept your
example fedral....can't do that.....it also shows that you can only find something fair and balanced if it agrees with your opinion and if it is conservative biased...because, over all these years, the news reporting has not been liberal all the time.....
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 10:23 am
That's kind of a false analogy. It's more like, the alphabet restaurants serve steak, but Fox's steakhouse serves it red and bloody -- just the way you like it.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 10:28 am
The problem is, Federal, while reporters and news anchors may be liberal, the owners of the media companies are for the most part conservative.

They decide the agenda of the news programs, so even if the reporters are liberals, the slant of the entire system is conservative.

Never forget for a second that the purpose of the media isn't to report anything at all. It's to make money.

Cycloptichorn
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Fedral
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 10:31 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
one must first believe that all the other news networks were strictly liberal biaed to accept your
example fedral....can't do that.....it also shows that you can only find something fair and balanced if it agrees with your opinion and if it is conservative biased...because, over all these years, the news reporting has not been liberal all the time.....


Just because you ocassionally serve watered down beef barley soup, doesn't mean that you are giving steak eaters something that they want to eat.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 10:37 am
we should meet somewhere and continue this discussion over prime rib.......with a couple of meaty chicks :wink:
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Fedral
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 10:58 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
we should meet somewhere and continue this discussion over prime rib.......with a couple of meaty chicks :wink:


Sounds YUMMY! Smile Very Happy Laughing
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 11:01 am
so, a bi-partisan agreement.....reaching across the aisle for the greater good.....warms my heart....
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 11:40 am
Spreading it's 'fair and balanced' news to Canada.


From http://www.macleans.ca/culture/media/article.jsp?content=20041004_89710_89710

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October 04, 2004

Is Canada Ready for Loudmouth TV?

Rude and Rabidly Pro-Bush, Fox News is Aiming North.

CHARLIE GILLIS

THERE IS A RHYTHMIC thrumming deep in my skull, timed to the metronome voice of a newscaster I can't identify, and broken periodically by the chime of the Fox News Alert bell. The host -- John Something, I think -- is on again about what is clearly Fox News Channel's favourite story: the suspect documents CBS aired a few weeks ago, and their potential links to John Kerry's campaign. It's not Watergate, of course, but 18 hours of Fox News immersion tends to skew one's sense of perspective. Dan Rather's on-air apology has begun to sound as laughably inadequate as Fox personalities keep saying it is, while the artful juxtaposition of Kerry clips (for the war? against it?) makes the Democratic nominee appear grubby and desperate -- the kind of guy who just might stoop to dirty tricks.






> Is Canada ready for loudmouth Fox News?

See also:
> Pros and cons for Fox TV coming to Canada
> Bill O'Reilly says the darnedest things
> Who's winning the news wars: Fox or CNN?
> Dan Rather: a veteran anchor and his rookie mistakes





Suddenly, we cut to the President, who is rising to address the United Nations. My most enduring images of George W. Bush date back to the fall of 2000, when I spent a week covering his victorious campaign. He struck me at the time as a pretender, a bit-player cast as male lead, and nothing I've seen since has changed this perception. But on Fox, where he's treated with deference, Bush somehow comes across as earnest and poised -- nothing like the strutting charlatan I'd filed in my mind. At 11 a.m. on a Tuesday, I feel the need for a beer.

An entire news cycle has passed since I began monitoring what could soon be Canada's next 24-hour news service, and it's clear the country is in for a jolt. Last April, the nation's cable TV providers applied to the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission for permission to broadcast Fox News Channel, brainchild of Rupert Murdoch and ratings sensation of the 2004 U.S. election campaign. They'd been turned down once before, but this time their chances look better. The public input phase wound up last month without a hitch, and a decision is now imminent. By Christmas Day, Bill O'Reilly, the network's pugnacious star, could be beaming into your living room.

Considering Fox's political baggage -- and the protectionist streak that runs through Canadian cultural debate -- this has all transpired with amazingly little fuss. After eight years on air, Fox has established itself as the greatest threat to American liberalism since Newt Gingrich, provoking a tide of hostile books, magazine articles, newspaper columns and even a documentary film south of the border. Walter Cronkite, the legendary CBS anchorman, has labelled it a "far-right-wing organization," while Al Franken, the Saturday Night Live comic-cum-radio host, featured it in a bestselling book Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them. But when the CRTC invited comment on bringing the channel to Canada, fully 85 per cent of the 600 respondents voiced support. A few domestic broadcasters objected for competitive reasons, and a handful of critics on both sides of the border wrote in complaining that Fox is biased. But on the whole, Canadians seem unafraid to add a nakedly partisan presence to the dial.

So what, if any, are Fox's thoughts on Canada? Hard to know, unfortunately. While it touts its own journalism as "fair and balanced," the network doesn't exactly roll out the red carpet for Canadian reporters seeking the same. An Ottawa Citizen writer who contacted Fox last fall made the mistake of mentioning the ideology issue, and was refused an interview. My own requests to visit the network's New York studios were politely rebuffed. Spokeswoman Irena Briganti told me staff were too busy with the election to chat, and advised me to call back in a month. When I observed that the election would be even closer by then, her tone turned frosty. "As I said earlier," she wrote in an email, "we're extremely busy right now and inundated with requests."

WHICH LEFT ME no choice but to judge Fox by its product -- balance be damned. So here, in a motel in suburban Rochester, N.Y., I've holed up with an emergency six-pack of Budweiser for a 48-hour marathon of news alerts, talking heads and old-fashioned partisan bickering. For sanity's sake, I'll permit myself a few forays onto rival networks, plus the odd break for meals. Otherwise, I'm confined to quarters.

Of course, I'll be scratching the mere surface of the channel's total output. In producing his recently released documentary, Outfoxed, filmmaker Robert Greenwald taped six months' worth of Fox broadcasts, and obtained internal memos showing that executives frequently directed the handling of important news -- often to the benefit of the current administration. In the interest of keeping an open mind I try to forget Greenwald's findings. But I've hardly been watching an hour when the obvious sinks in.

My first clue comes from Carl Cameron, Fox's chief political correspondent, during a report from the campaign trail. Earlier in the day, Kerry had attacked what he saw as the president's stubborn attachment to a foundering war effort in Iraq, but Cameron has recast this as Kerry "trying to turn Bush's consistency into a weapon to use against him." And compared to his colleagues' bombast, Cameron's ham-fisted attempt at counterspin proves positively subtle. When a guest has the temerity to suggest Osama bin Laden remains at large and dangerous, John Gibson, host of The Big Story, begins shouting the poor man down. "He's in his cave!" hollers Gibson. "Just like Saddam was in his box! He's in his cave!"

Thus begins an onslaught of anti-Democrat, anti-liberal, pro-Republican rhetoric that only a true believer could construe as impartial. Softball questions for Bushies, sneers for Kerry backers; lingering shots of Bush noshing with the regular folk and brief clips of Kerry looking tired and awkward. Right-wing partisans billed as impartial experts fill the channel's prime-time shows. One teaser promises to "get to the bottom" of the controversy over Bush's Vietnam-era military record, yet throws to an interview with Byron York, a political writer for the conservative biweekly National Review. Citing information supplied by the White House, York authoritatively confirms that Bush fulfilled his obligation to the Texas Air National Guard -- forget those reports suggesting he was truant during the last two years. Untroubled by a need for documentary proof, York assures us Bush was flying "several times a month" during those last 24 months to meet his minimum of service credits. "Well," concludes host Brit Hume, apparently satisfied, "that seems to be what he did to get those points."

This curt dismissal of a key election issue -- the military credentials of a commander-in-chief who has twice sent troops into battle -- leaves me a tad stunned. But it does clear the decks for the story Fox really wants to tell. For the next two days, I will watch near wall-to-wall coverage of what Fox hosts are calling "Docu-drama," CBS's mea culpa for using suspect documents in a report alleging that Bush got into the Guard through political favouritism. Anyone can see the attraction of this saga for Fox: a legacy broadcaster with liberal leanings, while its brash, right-leaning successor enjoys its best ratings ever. And they're certainly taking full advantage. By 8 p.m. The O'Reilly Factor takes over, its host ecstatically repeating reports linking CBS's key source to the Kerry campaign. When guest Michael Isikoff, an investigative reporter with Newsweek, remarks that the uproar makes CBS look as partisan as Fox, O'Reilly beams his assent and declares his employer "the big winner" from the scandal. Fox he adds piously, "would never do anything like this."

PARTISANSHIP ASIDE, it must be said that Fox is a hell of a lot more fun than CNN. The pace is faster. The news readers are cuter. The screen graphics are accompanied by cool swooshing sounds and -- I confess -- watching the hosts nettle their guests can be oddly enjoyable. On Day 2 of my Fox-fest, I'm amused to see Senator Jay Rockefeller, a Democrat from West Virginia, getting blindsided by a question on the CBS scandal. "I was told I was coming on to discuss about Bush's address to the UN," Rockefeller snaps. Better still is a live segment featuring the real-life Soup Nazi of Seinfeld fame. Egged on by host Neil Cavuto, Al Yeganeh angrily denies his reputation as a tyrant, and disavows all connection to the show that made him famous. "I love people!" he says, fixing the camera with toxic glare. "I treat them like kings and queens!"

But beyond these bits of guilty fun, Fox is so relentlessly American, so unabashedly navel-gazing, you can't help wondering what it could possibly offer Canadians. CNN, for all its faults, has the virtues of a far-flung news team and a reasonably enlightened world view. On Fox, a dispatch from Iowa seems exotic. Reports from outside the country that do make its newscasts tend to be disasters, oddities or outrages against right-thinking patriots back home. Canada surfaces only once while I'm watching, in a story about plans to erect a monument in Nelson, B.C., honouring U.S. draft dodgers. "I think they're spoiled, snivelling little finks," opines a Vietnam veteran in the report. I'm not sure whether he's referring to draft dodgers or Canadians.

It is, in sum, the televised equivalent of its corporate cousin, the New York Post -- brash, parochial and fiercely competitive. How that might play north of the border is anyone's guess. Pamela Wallin, the former broadcaster who now serves as Canada's consul general in New York, describes the network's newsgathering style as aggressive. "I think it's an important force to be recognized," adds Wallin, who's appeared on the channel a handful of times. "It's important for us to take that opportunity to reach that audience, to engage in the conversation with them." My own experience, however, suggests many Fox viewers give scarcely a thought to its politics. Four randomly selected Rochesterians I meet all plan to vote against Bush, yet none has detected bias in Fox's coverage. "I think it's a good channel," says Bobby Orpane, a 47-year-old house painter who watches Fox regularly. "It seems more upbeat than the others."

AT 6 A.M. ON DAY 3, I rise cotton-mouthed from two beers I'd downed to get myself through The O'Reilly Factor, and flick on the breakfast show, Fox & Friends First. The title couldn't be more appropriate: throughout the next three hours, the show's hosts alternately chide and mock CBS over the document scandal, as if no such disaster could have befallen them. There's some sombre tut-tutting about the beheading of a second American hostage in Iraq -- but only after Dr. Georgia Witkin, the channel's in-house psychologist, stops by to discuss the effect of Dan Rather's apology on the American psyche. "There's still some information missing," the doctor says ruefully. "It needs to come out before the public believes."

Next come some amiable questions for White House communications director, Dan Bartlett ("Could someone from the Democratic National Committee have created these documents?"), and a public relations expert to decide whether Rather has "lost all credibility." It might seem a bit rich for a network that has just aired a full hour of rumour and innuendo to discuss writing off the career of a distinguished journalist like Rather. But at this stage practically nothing these people say surprises me. Canadians should be applauded for inviting in a network that challenges prevailing values. But if the upstarts at Fox have anything to teach us, it's that fairness and balance are highly elastic terms.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 12:09 pm
The reason that Fox gets better ratings is that it is not news, it is entertainment talk shows on 24 hours a day.

The network news are having a hard time competing for that reason I imagine. But on Sunday mornings and late night, I bet the ratings are the same if not slanted more to the network stations.

Once again, Rather is not the whole network news. So you can't just say "hey look we told you so all along..."

Fox is owned by conservatives and their host are conservatives with a few water downed liberals there for show. Not only that but they are openly hostile to guest who don't think like them. To say that Fox is fair and balanced is to say that MTV is a music channel.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 12:15 pm
I am forced into watching CNN at my gym while doing cardio. To say there isn't a liberal slant to that network is like saying it's really easy to lose weight and eat and drink all you want.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 12:20 pm
What a poor analogy.

'To say that my opinion is wrong is to say that something difficult isn't, in fact, difficult.'

Yeah, no.

Cycloptichorn
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 01:54 pm
cjhsa wrote:
I am forced into watching CNN at my gym while doing cardio. To say there isn't a liberal slant to that network is like saying it's really easy to lose weight and eat and drink all you want.


I watch CNN headline news and it is strictly news -- the same stuff you find on reuters. What's biased about that?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 02:24 pm
The spin, ducky, the spin.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 02:28 pm
Maybe you mean the absence of right-wing spin? News is news, until they start inventing new terms like 'homicide bombing' (as if all bombings were not homicidal) to ensure that their own judgment is embedded in the news story.
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Larry434
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 02:32 pm
cjhsa wrote:
The spin, ducky, the spin.


I agree.

A TV news reporter can report an auto accident, in two ways, for instance.

Reporter A: A tragic accident occurred last night in which a teenager was severely injured.

Reporter B: Miraculously, in an auto accident last night, of 5 teenagers in the car, one was injured and the other 4 escaped without a scratch.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 02:45 pm
Which one of those would you accuse of spinning?
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