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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2004 06:06 am
which pair of words is similar to "ADMONISH:DENOUNCE" as to the relationship between the two words:

a>challenge:overcome
b>reward:praise
c>control:contain
d>persuade:convince
e>punish:pillory

thanks
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Mister Micawber
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2004 06:44 am
e>punish:pillory

The first of each pair is relatively gentle and private; the second of each pair is more extreme and public.

Studying for the SAT, Neo?
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2004 06:47 am
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help me on these words


Neoquixote The correct way of stating your question would be:

"Help me with these words."
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2004 06:47 am
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help me on these words


Neoquixote- The correct way of stating your question would be:

"Help me with these words."
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Mister Micawber
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2004 06:56 am
I dunno, Phoenix-- googling gives me:

'I need help with this' - 6030 pages
'I need help on this' - 2550 pages

Looks like 'on' is a close second. 'I need help on this project'-- which I often hear-- is the phrase that twigged me to the possiblility.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2004 07:00 am
"help me on these words"- I dunno. That it not the same as "I need help on this". When I saw the way it was expressed, I immediately perceived the writer as a non-English speaker.

BTW "help me on these words" elicited 1 hit on google!

"help me with these words" elicited 70, for whatever that's worth! Laughing
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panzade
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2004 07:03 am
MM, I am in awe of your erudition and English is my second language so I'm not fluent with grammar . Question

In your example help is a noun and Quix used help as a verb.
Also your example has the object as singular and in Q's it is plural. Wouldn't that govern the usage?
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Mister Micawber
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2004 07:26 am
I don't think so. I chose equivalent phrases for comparison that I felt were more universal and so would elicit more hits-- witness how few hits Phoenix got.

You do have a point, and it would certainly influence the google results, but I doubt (he said, VERY offhandedly) that it leads to a different conclusion. Mine was a merely statistical ploy, not a grammatical one-- I hope.
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panzade
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2004 07:28 am
point taken
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Neoquixote
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2004 10:51 pm
thank all you guys.
as to the title, now i realize that "with" is more desirable than "on". but i do not think ON is illegitimate, maybe help ...with... is more popular than help... on... when they refers to that same meaning.

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Mister Micawber wrote:
e>punish:pillory

The first of each pair is relatively gentle and private; the second of each pair is more extreme and public.

Studying for the SAT, Neo?

no, but GRE, Mica.
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Mister Micawber
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2004 02:12 am
Neoquixote wrote:
i realize that "with" is more desirable than "on". but i do not think ON is illegitimate, maybe help ...with... is more popular than help... on... when they refers to that same meaning.


A perspicacious conclusion, Neo, and a rewarding one for us advisors. Good luck on the GRE. (You'd better start capitalizing your 'i's if you want to do well in graduate school though-- lower-case ones don't look so good in theses.)
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Neoquixote
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2004 11:53 pm
thanks enough Mica, I would try as possible as i can to perform better.
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