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THE LIE THAT IS LIBERAL

 
 
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Thu 22 Sep, 2016 04:56 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Medieval townhalls had a "Rüstkammer" (armoury), where the weapons were stored.
This is where the gun control interpretation of the second amendment starts. The rest of it goes: It really only gives the government the right to arm its own troops!
giujohn
 
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Reply Thu 22 Sep, 2016 05:53 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Do you really think it's possible to reason with him? He's got way too much invested in fantasy. He needs to believe that more guns equals safety. he has to believe that societies with fewer guns are more violent. The alternative is to face reality and accept that people like him are partly responsible for atrocities like Sandy Hook and all the other gun related homicides in America, I don't think he's emotionally equipped to deal with that.

He literally can't handle the truth.






The Effects of Gun Control
Gun Control doesn't save people. It kills them.


Case Study: Morton Grove, Illinois v. Kennesaw, Georgia

Many advocates of gun rights know of the small town of Kennesaw, Georgia. For those that are not familiar with the city and its recent history, in 1982, the city passed a law that requires each household to own a firearm and ammunition. Exempt from this law were felons, paupers, and those physically or mentally unable to maintain a firearm. The local government passed this law in response to a law passed in 1981 in Morton Grove, Illinois that outlawed the private ownership of handguns. Even though this law is difficult to enforce and was passed primarily as a symbolic measure, it gained worldwide attention. Now, I choose this example to contrast the opposite nature of these two cities. The results may surprise you.

Before the comparison begins, first let me point out a few differences in the two cities that could have an effect on the data. Kennesaw grew as a city over the next ten years or so, nearly doubling in population. This urbanization typically causes crime to increase. Morton Grove however began with a relatively low crime rate and a fairly urbanized city that remained constant throughout the next ten years. In a direct comparison, Kennesaw ought to be more predisposed for crime to increase. However, in reality, the opposite happened.

Immediately after the passage of Kennesaw’s law, the amount of burglaries was cut in half. Violent crime within the city dropped at all levels. The community did not suffer a murder for years after that, and according the police chief at the time that was done by a knife. The gun requirement acted as a deterrent for criminals around the city. According to a past police chief D. Wilson, inmates had contacted the government of Kennesaw with the message that they would avoid Kennesaw because of the gun requirement. Those criminals knew that their potential victims would probably be armed, and that fear caused them to go elsewhere. Other fears with a mandatory gun law include escalations in domestic violence and an increase in fatal accidents involving children. Since the law was enacted, neither has happened. In the decade after the law was passed, there were no instances of handguns used against spouses nor were there any instances of children being injured due to accidental discharge. That in itself supports the theory that guns are safe in the hands of a safe person.

Now that we have examined the effects of the law on the Kennesaw community, let us examine the effects in Morton Grove. The complete ban of private ownership of handguns did not cause crime to go down. In fact, violent crime increased by 15% in the city the following year. In the surrounding areas, crime increased only 3%. This increased rate stayed constant in the years after. Statistically speaking, the ban led to an increase in crime
. Pundits can debate the reasons for this until we all puke, but it makes sense to think that the ban makes criminals more active. Either way, in this case, the ban did not have the effect of reducing crime.

While the effects of gun laws and gun restrictions vary based on the culture of each community and the backgrounds of the people within them, these two cities provide a good example of how gun laws impact the community. Would the law in Kennesaw work in other cities? Not necessarily. Does the data seem to support that it may help reduce crime? In this scenario it does. The crime rate in Kennesaw dropped significantly after they (loosely) required every citizen to own a firearm and stayed at this low level for years despite undergoing changes in population that typically lead to increased crime. Morton Grove on the other hand banned the ownership of handguns within their city and saw their crime rate go up. Whether or not this change in crime is the result of these laws is debatable and should be debated, but the facts themselves have a strong voice.


Why don't you to go back to your fish and chips because apparently you don't know **** about America.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 22 Sep, 2016 06:07 am
@giujohn,
O wow, some study from Georgia. Everyone knows that's where all the good universities are.

Your homicide rate is through the roof because you live in a society awash with guns and trigger happy police. I'd actually have some, (not much, but some,) respect if you were honest and said that you thought the killings were a price worth paying for your need to own a gun.

Instead you peddle a load of old bollocks because you can't handle the truth. I live in Britain, I know I don't live in a violent society. So take your horseshit sandwich elsewhere.
giujohn
 
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Reply Thu 22 Sep, 2016 06:34 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

O wow, some study from Georgia. Everyone knows that's where all the good universities are.




Georgia Tech... Ranked 33...Emory University... ranked 20 in the top U S universities... like I said you don't know **** about America.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 22 Sep, 2016 06:51 am
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:

Wow... let me explain it so even you can understand ... Liberal equals lie.


You certainly can't spell liberal without lie.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 22 Sep, 2016 06:56 am
@McGentrix,
Sure you can. You can spell it libruhl.

(What is the point of the silly juvenile word games anyway).
McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 22 Sep, 2016 07:32 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

(What is the point of the silly juvenile word games anyway).


Because it's fun. Most come here for the entertainment value.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 22 Sep, 2016 07:52 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
You certainly can't spell liberal without lie.
Personally, I really like this - in the whole world except the USA "liberal" means "right", "pro-Capitalism" ... Smile
McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 22 Sep, 2016 08:50 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
You certainly can't spell liberal without lie.
Personally, I really like this - in the whole world except the USA "liberal" means "right", "pro-Capitalism" ... Smile


Fortunately the context keeps it as intended as world politics really don't matter when talking about American politics. I hope you understand that.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 22 Sep, 2016 09:14 am
@giujohn,
Top US universities. Not universities worldwide.

Quote:
Oxford University has come top of the Times Higher Education world university rankings - a first for a UK university.

Oxford knocks California Institute of Technology, the top performer for the past five years, into second place.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-37419263

You don't know **** about anything.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 22 Sep, 2016 09:16 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Personally, I really like this - in the whole world except the USA "liberal" means "right", "pro-Capitalism" ... Smile


In the whole world except the USA cop means someone who upholds the law.

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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 22 Sep, 2016 09:19 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Top US universities. Not universities worldwide.

Quote:
Oxford University has come top of the Times Higher Education world university rankings - a first for a UK university.

Oxford knocks California Institute of Technology, the top performer for the past five years, into second place.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-37419263

You don't know **** about anything.


15 of the top 20 on your list are US Universities... Are you retarded?
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 22 Sep, 2016 09:21 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
I am not convinced that this is true.

More importantly, even in the unlikely event that this is true, I do not see how it could possibly relevant.

If the truth of a fact is relevant to your argument, then the falsity of that fact would likewise be relevant. You can't say "I'm right because this is true, but even if it's not true, it doesn't matter." If its falsity doesn't matter, its truth doesn't matter either.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 22 Sep, 2016 09:29 am
@McGentrix,
They're not in Georgia. There are World class universities in America, but you also have a lot of Southern Baptist god colleges that try to deny evolution.

I'll tell you what is retarded, boasting about having someone on ignore then responding to one of their posts the very next day. And thinking Donald Trump is a fit candidate for president, that's the very definition of stupidity.
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contrex
 
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Reply Thu 22 Sep, 2016 11:44 am
@joefromchicago,
oralloy wrote:
I am not convinced that this is true.

More importantly, even in the unlikely event that this is true, I do not see how it could possibly relevant.

That's like the apocryphal wife of the Church of England bishop. After her husband said "Mr Darwin says we are all descended from apes", she said to him, "Let us pray that it is not true! And if it is true, let us pray that it does not become widely known!"


contrex
 
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Reply Thu 22 Sep, 2016 11:49 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
15 of the top 20 on your list are US Universities... Are you retarded?

But only 63 of the top 200, so maybe you're retarded.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 22 Sep, 2016 11:53 am
@contrex,
contrex wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
15 of the top 20 on your list are US Universities... Are you retarded?

But only 63 of the top 200, so maybe you're retarded.


Rolling Eyes
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 22 Sep, 2016 12:13 pm
@contrex,
contrex wrote:

That's like the apocryphal wife of the Church of England bishop.

Was her name Judith?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 22 Sep, 2016 12:14 pm
@McGentrix,
we usually rank universities FOR specific study areas, not some whole schlemeil . "World rankings" without specifying subk=ject matter include such things as length of day nd avg temperatures at the campuses.

oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 22 Sep, 2016 01:43 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Medieval townhalls had a "Rüstkammer" (armoury), where the weapons were stored.

When the poor masses were doing something that benefited the rich and powerful (like patrolling town all night to ensure there are no thieves about, or being cannon fodder in a war) the rich and powerful were happy to see the poor masses armed.

But the rich and powerful wanted to make sure that the poor masses had no access to those arms at any other time.
 

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