@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:
It should be viewed as a microcosm of what will occur in America if Hillary is elected president. You can already see it at the majority of our nation's universities where if you wear a hat that says, "Make America Great Again", it's considered hate speech and the hat will be physically ripped from your head. Think about that... Great now means Hate.
Not much different from the hate gang here at a2k... the ones who are allowed to spew they're leftist rhetoric message with impunity or continually break the rules by spamming numerous threads with their vitriol. Don't try that even a little bit if your thinking is to the right of the hate gang or you will feel the full weight of their oppressive jackboot.
The leftist, liberal, revisionist, progressives, led by a daily barrage from the liberal media, will seek first to curtail any speech, political or otherwise, that disagrees with their agenda.
Anyone not in lockstep with their way of thinking will be labeled racist, bigot, prejudice, homophobe, xenophobe, islamophobe...placed in the "basket" to be marginalized. You may still speak "freely" as long as your speech is correct (or corrected).
The effort at first will be incremental... are you familiar with the Frog who is put in a pot of hot water and will jump out, but if left in a pot of cold water with the temperature that raises slowly to the point of boil he will stay in it till he cooks?
The lie that is liberal embraces the notion that government knows what's best for the individual. The individualist is a danger to the Kollective. In order for the government to direct the Kollective they will need to emasculate the Constitution and its protections against governmental infringement of individual rights.
As Obama has done before her and as Hillary has stated, she will continue to rule by executive fiat, legislating from the Oval Office, eliminating separation of powers and checks and balances. At this point the line between her and Putin will be a matter of semantics... Or as Hillary would say, "What's the difference?"
Next will come your ability to defend yourself or your individual rights. Hillary will stack the court with jurists who will restrict your right to bear arms. Once done they have won. It is the Second Amendment that guarantees the security of the other nine.
Radical islamist terrorists, taking advantage of our stupidity and our blind acceptance of other cultures, will become commonplace in America and the norm will be improved explosive devices on our street corners as evidenced by the news this day. We will accept it as a way of life and then be no better than any third world Middle East Country. After all, what's a few individual lives balanced against the ideals of the ckollective?
I wonder how long it will take the hate group to delete this... That should be the word of the day... Delete. Hillary deletes evidence of her crimes, leftists delete any speech that offends their personal agenda... And So It Goes.
Ok, let me try to address what I think are the main points in your post. The first point I will make is important (about the difference between opinion and fact)/ I will state my opinion and clearly label it as such. As a rule I try very hard not to make personal attacks or call names, I will hold myself to this standard throughout what I hope is a rational and respectful discussion.
1) There is a difference between subjective opinion and objective fact. If someone says "Hillary is a bigot", we should understand that this is a subjective opinion. There is no mathematical test on bigotry or common agreement across political lines on what behavior or words entail "bigotry".
Saying "several things that Hillary said contradicted the FBI report" is a statement of facts. It is important to keep the two separate. You can talk about facts and argue over the interpretation of facts. Arguing over subjective opinions isn't always a good use of time.
2) I don't really get your point about being able to "speak freely as long as your speech is correct". I don't see where anyone is being prevented from speaking freely either in public life, or here in Able2know. Media is not always fair... but the media are private organizations that for better or worse put their own spin on things without government interference. I think this is the best way to run an independent media, although it will always mean that people are upset when their side isn't represented fairly.
Am I missing something here?
3) I disagree with your view of the second Amendment. I certainly don't agree that the second amendment defends all the other rights... I feel the first Amendment is far more important. I suppose we will disagree on this basic point... I don't see how either of us will convince the other.
4) I disagree with your definition of what it means to be liberal. Given that it is conservatives who want the government to enforce laws restricting abortion, marriage and the hiring of immigrants... I don't think your definition fits at all.
I am a government moderate. I want the government to step in where it is the most efficient way for us to solve a problem. I want the government to stay out where individual rights are involved. There is sometimes a conflict between these two... which is why we have a political system to work these things out.
5) I have heard the argument that Obama has ruled by executive fiat. I have looked at the data and I don't believe there is any way to make the argument that Obama has used executive power more than other presidents.
This is a case where we can look at numbers of executive orders written by different presidents. Do you believe that this is a good way to resolve this issue? Or can you suggest an objective way to answer the question of whether Obama has used executive power more than other presidents (see George Bush or Ronald Reagan).
6) I don't see any evidence that our "blind acceptance of other cultures" will lead to terrorism. Quite the contrary, the countries that have been less accepting of other cultures have had greater problems with terrorism.
This has been an argument in the United States over the past 100 years. We have had fear of Jews, the Irish, Italians, Chinese, Japanese and now Muslims. Each of these groups have caused fear (particularly Jews, the Japanese and Italians). They were all incorporated into the US very successfully and we are a better country (in my opinion) for it.
The threat of terrorism remains extremely low in the US. Most years there are more deaths from dog bites than from terrorism (of any type). This is a true statistic that I can show you.
7) I have given you a bunch to chew on. I have given it to you, appealing to reason, without any name-calling, personal attacks. I invite you to try the same.
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