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I didn't hear a single word about THIS failure to cover heart during anthem....

 
 
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 6 Sep, 2016 10:36 am
from the above Slate link

Quote:
So, does this mean that it's against the law to sit down for "The Star-Spangled Banner" at a baseball game? Technically, but you won't get in trouble. Though the procedure for listening to the national anthem is spelled out in the U.S. Code, you can't be punished for breaking the rules. That would likely be considered a violation of the First Amendment.


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all in all, a bizarre thread to follow/read from a non-religious/less militaristic country
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 6 Sep, 2016 10:38 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Pledging allegiance is an entirely alien concept over here


this ^

I feel like I'm reading something from 1930's Germany or 1950's Russia
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Tue 6 Sep, 2016 10:46 am
I believe this was photoshopped to make it look like Trump did not put his hand over his heart.



Sorry to burst your bubble.

This does not mean Donald Trump is patriotic it just means he is keeping up with protocols for whatever (probably selfish) reasons.

He may have been the last person to put his hand up, who knows.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 6 Sep, 2016 01:30 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
less militaristic country


I dunno, Canadian peace keeping troops are some of the most well armed, disciplined, and absolutely toughest military on the planet.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 6 Sep, 2016 01:32 pm
@TheCobbler,
http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-flag-salute/

Jeez. It was just too good to true.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 6 Sep, 2016 09:09 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
He dident recognize the U S National Anthem. Perhaps if they played the Russian national anthem?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2016 01:53 am
@RABEL222,
It's already been taken.

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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2016 05:48 am
@ossobucotemp,
I only wish I remember, let alone find comments from even last month, osso!

You've got a much better mind than I!
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2016 05:55 am
@McGentrix,
http://www.snopes.com/politics/graphics/vetday2011.jpg

Inconsistent guy, the President.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2016 06:26 am
@McGentrix,
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/stance.asp

Origin:Although the custom is sometimes more honored in the breach than in the observance, the U.S. Flag Code states that:

During a rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart.

Given how finely-attuned candidates for high office usually are to the importance of symbolism, Illinois senator (and Democratic presidential hopeful) Barack Obama caused something of a stir in September 2007 when he was seemingly spotted (as in the image shown above) not observing the hand-over-heart protocol during a playing of "The Star-Spangled Banner" at an Indianola, Iowa, steak fry attended by the six top Democratic presidential candidates.

The photograph itself is real, one of several images of the Iowa steak fry event published by Time, and shows Barack Obama standing with his hands clasped just below his waist, while New Mexico governor Bill Richardson, New York senator Hillary Clinton, and Ruth Harkin (wife of Iowa senator Tom Harkin) stand with their hands held over their hearts. It's difficult to establish context from a single still image, but other accounts (including the following ABC News video of the event) documented that the picture was as described:

(It's not clear from the photograph or the video just what the candidates are looking at in the photograph and video. The Flag Code advises that they should be "standing at attention facing the flag," but none of them is facing the flag displayed behind the platform on which they're standing. Presumably another flag was in place off to the right of the platform, since most of the candidates are facing that direction.)

As we noted earlier, although the U.S. Flag Code still specifies that those present should stand "with the right hand over the heart" during the playing of the U.S. national anthem, that particular form is one that has generally come to be observed less and less consistently among the general public over the decades:

Experts on the national anthem say the law seems a bit out of date, given its reference to a man's "headdress." Yet it's still cited in several military manuals found on the Web.

Modern custom does not require a hand over the heart, said Anne Garside, director of communication for the Maryland Historical Society, home of the original manuscript of The Star-Spangled Banner.

"I think the bottom line is that you show respect with your demeanor," she said. "Whether you put your hand over your heart, hold your hat at shoulder level or waist level, is really in this day and age irrelevant."

As for whether this incident was an "accident," whether Senator Obama habitually declines to perform the hand-over-heart gesture, or whether there's any particular meaning to the (non-)action, an Obama campaign spokesperson responded: "Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't. In no way was he making any sort of statement, and any suggestion to the contrary is ridiculous." The senator himself said that "My grandfather taught me when I was two. During the Pledge of Allegiance, you put your hand over your heart. During the national anthem, you sing."

When television's Inside Edition ran a segment on this issue, they included some images (supplied by the Obama campaign) of the senator standing with his hand over his heart during other playings of the national anthem:


The text accompanying some versions of the e-mailed photo claimed that Senator Obama "refused to say the Pledge of Allegiance." The activity taking place during the scene in the photograph involved the playing of the U.S. national anthem, not a recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance. The following video clips show Barack Obama reciting the Pledge during the opening of Senate sessions:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/graphics/anthem2.jpg

http://www.snopes.com/politics/graphics/anthem3.jpg
McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2016 06:57 am
@bobsal u1553115,
So you started this thread with a slam on Trump for not covering his heart during the National Anthem and end it explaining why it was ok for Obama not to?

You do see the dichotomy, I mean hypocrisy, of your point of view here, right?
Miller
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2016 01:36 pm
@maporsche,
Quote:
No one seems to be too pissed about that though
.


That's because, they're too busy drinking their BUD!
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2016 01:42 pm
@McGentrix,
The dichotomy is RW Teabillies making something out of it. I don't care. I believe in free speech. I put hand over heart whenever the Anthem or flag is public. That's me. I put my hand over my heart when a color guard marches in a parade. If you feel like eating your cotton candy, eh. Its not my place to judge someone over it but I do feel it my obligation to point out the hypocrites who do try to make their free speech supersede someone-else's.

I'm surprised you didn't comment on this:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/graphics/vetday2011.jpg
ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2016 02:04 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Finding that was a matter of luck as I was reviewing a thread, I think after remembering it was a quote from some expert at Cornell, using Cornell in a2k search. Or looking up Cornell in a search at HuffPo. Hey, I forget.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2016 02:14 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
snopes is unavailable to me today for some reason so I have not seen it to comment on it yet.

If you don't care though, why did you start this thread?
Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2016 02:28 pm
@McGentrix,
He thought he had some sort of point against Trump. He was wrong.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2016 03:24 pm
@Baldimo,
But unlike you he dosent flat out lie.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2016 05:40 pm
@ossobucotemp,
I am in awe of your results regardless of your techniques! I sure as heck can't pull it off.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2016 05:42 pm
@McGentrix,
Pointing out the hypocrites, McG. Didnt you read the comment you referred to????

Quote:
Its not my place to judge someone over it but I do feel it my obligation to point out the hypocrites who do try to make their free speech supersede someone-else's.


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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2016 05:45 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
Re: McGentrix (Post 6262654)
He thought he had some sort of point against Trump. He was wrong.


Of which I admitted. You ought to try admitting when you're wrong sometime. It will set you free. What you do is leave the thread or just ignore it. It makes you seem a prat.
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